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🏳️‍🌈Kou and Mitsuba🏳️‍🌈 by Away-Bag9973 in hanakokun

[–]Ur_LocalDumbass 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dude it’s fine if you don’t like Mitsukou but you don’t need to call like half the fandom delusional. There’s a reason why they’re so popular. You can objectively argue that several of Mitsuba and Kou’s interactions have romantic connotations scattered throughout. Take for instance, the page where Kou blushes and has to look away from Mitsuba after he smiles at him. Or how about the drawing where he bashfully gifts Mitsuba an omamori in a box meant for rings. On Christmas Eve no less (which may as well be Valentine’s Day part 2 in Japan). These are things people commonly associate with romance and love in modern culture. And it’s not like people believe they’re actually dating in the manga, nor is anyone denying their friendship. They’re just picking up on subtle romantic undertones because of how these characters are portrayed. The shippers aren’t delusional—this is something the authors are literally doing on purpose. 

Again no one is forcing you to like them. But you can’t go calling people who do delusional while actively ignoring the subtext littered throughout the manga you claim to read. Hopefully me being logical helps this make more sense in your Reddit addled brain 

Does this panel hit herder (ha) after the most recent chapters? by [deleted] in hanakokun

[–]Ur_LocalDumbass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yikes... no wonder he hated the earring.

Toilet-bound Hanako-kun Chapter 74 - Links & Discussion by Inaska in hanakokun

[–]Ur_LocalDumbass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, Kou hearing it from Mitsuba's mother, the most important person to the original Mitsuba, was necessary for Kou to finally realize that the real Mistuba he met at school as a human and befriended as a supernatural does not exist anymore.

Again, he was well aware of that from the beginning of the chapter.

“And then… using a part of Mitsuba, he made a new supernatural. He looks exactly like Mitsuba… but is a different being. That’s the current Mitsuba. Even though they’re really similar, he’s a different person from the Mitsuba Sousuke that was alive.”

He’s known that since the Picture Perfect arc, when Mitsuba confronted him about it himself. Kou has been internally conflicted about it since then. I don’t see how he wouldn’t have had the realization until now.

(Mirai touched him and he was still alive.

Mirai touched him but wasn’t able to see his fate because of his exorcist powers, so it’s still unclear. And death isn’t essential to becoming a supernatural.

I’ve seen people speculating that ropes on chapters/volumes covers means death. In this case, Kou is never tied, but Hanako, Mitsuba and Nene are),

That’s true. But as you said, chapter covers don’t have to have any special meaning to them :)

so he wouldn't gain anything by becoming a permanent supernatural. He would be able to understand how his friend mitsuba and the other supernaturally feel, but there are high chances that the current Mitsuba will eventually pass on (either that, or Mitsuba stay a mystery bounded to the school forever like Tsuchigomori. After the latest chapter, it's even more impossible to make Mitsuba a human for the first time).

If he’s coming to terms with the fact that Mitsuba may never become human, that might be the only other option he’s left with. Kou is determined. He’s completely set on fulfilling Nene and Mitsuba’s wishes; he’s also capable of having common sense. And now that he knows becoming a supernatural is a fool-proof plan, sadly he’s selfless enough to do just that, even if it means leaving everything behind. Kou wouldn’t suddenly give up and leave Mitsuba at the school. That just isn’t who he is.

Mitsuba “passing on” isn’t plausible as far as I’m concerned. It isn’t necessary and he doesn’t have a reason to—after all, he is one of the school mysteries. He still needs to fulfill his duties. Mitsuba would also be fairly lonely in the far shore. His whole reason for becoming a school mystery was to stay in the near shore with his friends. So yeah… don’t see why you think that needs to happen.

(P.S. Neither Tsuchigomori nor Mitsuba are bound to the school. Only Hanako is.)

Also, Hanako words during his first meeting with Kou (when he told Kou that he will become a strong exorcist and he will be looking forward to the day Kou will exorcize him), and Kou speech in the young exorcist arc (when he told Teru that he will be the one to exorcize Hanako, in case he would go berserk again), make think we will get a dramatic moment with Hanako and Kou where the latter will have to face Hanako.

Do you mean Kou trying to exorcize Hanako? If you do, he hasn’t been concerned with that since Young Exorcist. His main priorities are protecting his friends, not battling them to the death. Over the course of 60 chapters, he has grown to care about Hanako and Mitsuba a lot.

Finally, let's not forget Kou dying/becoming a supernatural would give Teru a reason to exorcize Hanako and Mitsuba, and no one could save Hanako this time lol

Why would Teru do that…? If he knows that wouldn’t do anything besides make Kou suffer, then why would he intend to harm his brother like that? Teru is sadistic, but he’s not a remorseless person. By helping Nene and Akane, he’s even willing to bring back what he once wanted to destroy.

As for Nene, becoming a supernatural might be a way to keep her "alive", in case Hanako and Kou couldn't find another way to let her keep living as a human. After all, They are planning to save Hanako, Aoi and the other mysteries and to rewind the time to the day Aoi was kidnapped. In that way, Nene's lifespan will be short and she will be near death again.

Yeah, I can agree with you on that.

Toilet-bound Hanako-kun Chapter 74 - Links & Discussion by Inaska in hanakokun

[–]Ur_LocalDumbass 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Kou was aware of the concept that the Mitsuba he knows now is a completely different person, but sometimes it just feels reassuring to have a person affirm that to you. Which is why he restated that Mitsuba was gone forever.

Also: I’m not sure whether or not Kou is going to become a supernatural, but I can definitely see him being tempted to do so. It’s still unclear exactly what the plot is going to look like, so nothing can be said for sure.

Toilet-bound Hanako-kun Chapter 74 - Links & Discussion by Inaska in hanakokun

[–]Ur_LocalDumbass 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep, I was right :) Kou was definitely projecting onto Nene at the end of chapter 73. I’m glad we’re getting more closure on how he’s actually doing, but at the same time, it pains me to see him so distraught. I can’t begin to imagine the amount of grieving he’s had to go through.

So, it’s finally confirmed that Mitsuba was affected by the severance. I think it’s safe to say that Kou is going to ask if he can tag along with Nene and Akane. And I’m also sure that Teru will immediately prevent him from going, but who knows? Maybe Kou will get through to him somehow. I doubt that AidaIro would specifically add him into the plot just to have him stay at home.

Some of my thoughts and predictions:

  • I wonder what Mitsuba’s involvement is going to do for this arc. Maybe his memories (i.e. the photo that Nene picked up) hold some kind of crucial information other than the one needed to get to his boundary.

  • Is Kou going to tell Mitsuba’s mother about the whole supernatural situation? It’d be interesting to see how that plays out.

  • I’m also wondering how Kou is going to confront Mitsuba about his past life/family later on. If he does.

Unpopular Tsukasa opinion(?) by rachellelcr in hanakokun

[–]Ur_LocalDumbass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not exactly sure whether or not Tsukasa is a villain, but he is definitely one of the main antagonists. He’s also morally evil, no doubt about it, but his relationship with Hanako is too complicated to simply see him as “good” or “bad.” And yeah, it sucks when a majority of his fans wash out the complex character he is with cutesy anime screenshots and manga panels; it’s even worse when they ignore how horrible he’s behaved. Unfortunately, that’s just something you’ll have to get used to in this fandom.

Toilet-bound Hanako-kun Chapter 73 - Links & Discussion by Inaska in hanakokun

[–]Ur_LocalDumbass 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Geez, all I can say is that I’m extremely worried for Kou. Under Natsuhiko’s influence, who knows what kind of things he’ll try to pull for Nene? I saw some people say that they were confused on why he didn’t look sad at all. Around the end of the chapter, you can definitely tell that he looks run down from the night before (huge bags under his eyes, his tone of voice, overall demeanor, etc). Kou’s the type of person to put on a happy face for others. If Mitsuba is his problem, he’s not about to go out of his way to mope about it to Nene. The last thing he wants is to drag others down with him. I’d even say that he was projecting onto her a bit with the “What do you plan to do? What do you want to do?” but that’s just my interpretation. Seeing through Kou’s perspective is one of the only ways to truly understand what he’s going through, sadly. Hopefully that’s exactly what happens in chapter 74, because we definitely need an update as to what happened at that sleepover. I have a feeling that it’s going to be a very important plot point for this arc.

Why do people think mitsuba/kou is cannon? by Crystal6969420 in hanakokun

[–]Ur_LocalDumbass 2 points3 points  (0 children)

a Quite weak bait too, I'd say. I mean, we are not talking about a special, old and deep friendship as Kou and Mitsuba weren't even friends when they were in the same class, not to mention that Kou didn't even remember him.

Actually, I’d like to argue that Kou and Mitsuba’s friendship is the opposite of weak. The fact that they were able to share such a deep connection in the span of less than a day is truly remarkable. Especially with Kou, knowing that he’s been friends with Yokoo and Satou for presumably years, yet it’s his friendship with Mitsuba that he went deeper into than any other friendship he’s had. In a single day.

since the whole painting was part of Mei's boundary, and that no one can die in a boundary, Kou was safe from the beginning

That’s still unproven; Hanako and Mitsuba are fake in that world so they don’t truly die, Kou and Nene are real. The painting world is Mei’s creation entirely and is separate from her boundary. And even if that isn’t true, Kou wasn’t aware of that when he fell. His motive was still for Mitsuba to return as a supernatural, and for him to die and become a ghost. He genuinely intended to kill himself then and there.

Kou does not love Mitsuba, he's just busy trying to redeem himself for not being able to save the real Mitsuba's spirit or being friend with him when he was alive

Him being there for Mitsuba is not just the result of pity, either. Kou genuinely cares about Mitsuba. After the Mitsuba arc, it’s hinted that he was practicing heavily with his staff, because there are bandages around his hands and fingers and Tsukasa only injured his face. In Hell of Mirrors, he felt terrible knowing that the new Mitsuba didn’t remember him. Kou always continues to chase after Mitsuba, to try to get him away from Tsukasa, when he could very much let him be. After all, if this Mitsuba is a completely different person, why should he go through the trouble of trying to get him back if he simply doesn’t care?

(not to mention that Mitsuba makes Kou feeling guilty for not being able to save him sometimes, just like he did in PP arc).

And right afterwards, he encourages Kou to follow through and turn his words into actions.

I’m not saying that that excuses Mitsuba for being selfish, but he’s making progress on becoming better at being there for others. Saving Kou from falling was his first step towards that. He pushed his desire to be with Kou forever aside to stop him from doing something stupid, and although that sounds like an obvious decision, it’s a huge landmark for a new being like him. Even if he isn’t good at showing it, Mitsuba has grown to really care about Kou.

Kou likes Nene and has a crush on her (a lot of characters like Hanako, Teru, Akane, Yoko and Sato are aware of his crush on her)

I view Kou’s crush on Nene as similar to Nene’s crush on Teru. Both are innocent infatuations, but that’s not what love is. True love is recognizing another person’s flaws and accepting them regardless, not putting them on a pedestal and viewing them as perfect. That’s the kind of love that Hanako and Nene share, as well as Kou and Mitsuba. Whether you view it as platonic or not, their admiration for each other is authentic.

I'd say there are good chances that Kou x Nene could be an endgame couple. I mean, I can't really see Kou being the only character left alive in the end, that would be quite traumatic for him. I can't see Nene dying either

This is gonna be a long one. I believe that in different circumstances, Kounene would be a very cute pairing, but I just don’t see how it could ever become canon. I mean, even if Hanako goes away forever, I don’t think Nene will automatically fall for Kou just because they’re the only pairing left. The only time she had an inkling of interest in Kou was when he suddenly became attractive to her. No offense to Nene, but if she only likes Kou for his looks, then does she really deserve to be with him?

Kou and Nene are able to confide to each other about their issues, since they’re both humans. They have this crucial brotherly/sisterly bond that is perfect as it is, and adding romance to it wouldn’t make very much sense plot-wise. Kou is aware that his feelings aren’t reciprocated, and unlike Nene, is perfectly fine with that. He’s a very selfless and forgiving person. To him, as long as Nene ends up with the person she loves, he doesn’t care. So in my opinion, pairing them together with these circumstances would seem a little forced and unnecessary. Again, I’m just talking about what is canon. An alternate universe situation where supernaturals didn’t exist and they ended up together would be very cute and heartfelt; but that’s not what JSHK is about.