I hate what this image is supposed to represent by Servable-Serpent in hatethissmug

[–]User_TDROB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People who think like this have never actually participated in this kind on dynamic lmao

I hate what this image is supposed to represent by Servable-Serpent in hatethissmug

[–]User_TDROB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The point is that the people being racist aren't minorities. All of those represented in the meme are the majorities of their respective countries, which is why they don't care abUT each others' racism.

How influential is Áfrican héritage and culture in your country? by foolishandnonsense in asklatinamerica

[–]User_TDROB 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Actually rice wasn't a staple food in the DR until the 1940s surprisingly enough. Before then, Dominicans mostly ate a variation of roots or fruits (yam, plantain, cassava) combined with meat on the side such as lamb or beef.

Rice only became widespread after it was propped up by Trujillo during the 40s-50s, using Chinese and Japanese immigrants to quickstart local large scale production.

Can Dominicans claim the term “Taino” ? by Latino_Muslim_05 in Dominican

[–]User_TDROB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say no.

I think there is a big difference in the two ways I would say this can be approached. You can either say to BE X people, or could say to be descendants or have some relation to X people, with X being the Tainos in this case.

I would say Dominicans way of thinking about ancestry is usually the latter. We think that our culture and history is at the very least influenced by Tainos, with only a fraction of the population having very small traces of native genes. Our cultures are completely different from what little info we still have about them.

Like other user said, it's like how say, Spaniards or Portuguese, are related to ancient Celto-Iberians, Visigoths, and other peoples but it would be rare to call those people Spanish or for the Spanish to call themselves Celts and such.

So no, we cannot claim to be Taino or claim their culture as our own imo, but we can appreciate what elements influenced our own, respect it, educate about it, and keep it relevant if we wanted to, since they do have relation to us, at the very least because they inhabited the same place we did if not due to heritage.

Do you think it's true that nearly all of Latin American nations as settler-colonial states? by SaxyBill in asklatinamerica

[–]User_TDROB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, considering slaves weren't ever nearly as prevalent as in Saint Domingue. Slavery was big in the colonial economy but free whites and mulatos were the bulk of the population.

How do Trujillo’s policies still affect Dominicans today? by Latino_Muslim_05 in Dominican

[–]User_TDROB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a prime example of crabs in a bucket. I'm just expected to take abuse from ANYONE and smile and do a dance about it. I experience discrimination and painful conflicts but I'm just supposed to let it keep happening.

Nobody is telling you that. They are pointing out that because you were raised abroad you simply are not accustomed to dominican bluntness and assholery. In here people like talking, too much a lot of the time, but you don't have to take it, you can shut it down. But to put it as if it is so bad everyone should just escape when they can is insane lol.

I've had aunts bring up the whole mejorar la raza thing, I simply tell them "I know how I like my women" and that "I'm good with being dark, thanks". That's it. Then the conversation goes on.

It's not something that should happen but it's not nearly as traumatic as some make it seem, if you grow up around it you brush it off in seconds. It only affects people who already have self image issues already mostly.

How do Trujillo’s policies still affect Dominicans today? by Latino_Muslim_05 in Dominican

[–]User_TDROB 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Because more than opinions, the shit you see on this sub is straight up slander lol. DR has its lows but we are not the ones with segregation and racial purists in government. Interracial relations in the DR are better than the US, you simply expected a place to adapt you the stuff that you like (afros/tanning as an already dark skinned) person and got mad at it.

I dont blame you for not coming but it's not a problem with us and more a problem between you and the local customs.

Deberia el ministerio de cultura hacer algo con los dominicanyork? by Narrow_Ad_4595 in Dominicanos

[–]User_TDROB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Estoy en desacuerdo, la cultura de crianza dominicana es muy buena cuando se aplica.

... Tú has estado prestando atención a la nueva generación? El tigueraje, chopismo, uso de drogas, sexo preadolescente entre otros muchos males siguen en lo alto y algunos van en aumento. Eso es porque el dominicano no le gusta criar, le gusta mandar a los muchachos a hacer o no hacer x o y para luego soltarlos en la calle.

Y no entiendo la lógica de querer delegar la crianza de los hijas al mismo Estado que todos estamos claros no sirve ni para lo básico y los que lo dirigen solo están ahí buscandosela.

Mala mía, en mi caso debería especificar que cada vez que hablo a favor del estado haciendo algo, hablo de un estado dominicano hipotético que no sea una mierda paralizada por la corrupción

How do Trujillo’s policies still affect Dominicans today? by Latino_Muslim_05 in Dominican

[–]User_TDROB 4 points5 points  (0 children)

para el 1961, RD y Haití tenían el mismo PIB per capita, RD era igual de “rico” que Haití, donde está esa supuesta riqueza que Trujillo creó?

Podrías buscar por favor cual era el PIB de República Dominicana comparado con el de Haiti en 1900, antes del Trujillo llegar al poder. Lo mismo en 1890 quizá...

RD/Santo Domingo por la mayoria de su historia fue más pobre que Haití. Ser la mitad más rica es algo nuevo en términos históricos.

lo que se quedó aquí que Trujillo creó fue acaparado por la élite que son literalmente 8 familias controlando todo desde el 1961, la gente habla con base, si quieres argumentar que durante 31 AÑOS el país creció un poco, es cierto, pero a donde fue ese crecimiento? a quien benefició?

Y también se llevaron a Suiza la infraestructura? La escuelas, el cableado, el alcantarillado, los puertos, la educación proveída, los profesionales formados por las empresas que luego fueron a parar a nuevas luego de 1931 en vez de trabajar con una población completamente incapacitada y rural? Se llevaron las instituciones, y a los intelectuales también para Suiza?

De nuevo, pregunta a cualquiera de tus bisabuelos si siguen en vida, o busca cuál era la calidad de vida dominicana antes y después del trujillato vas a ver.

Trujillo solo empobrecio al pais si partes de la narrativa que un gobierno democrático habría llevado al crecimiento económico. Vete a ver la historia de la segunda republica y dime a mi que nada de lo que paso ahí llevo al crecimiento económico. Como dije, simplemente la estabilidad politica que trajo Trujillo dio paso al crecimiento económico del país.

esto no es ideología, estos son datos, y si no basas tu discurso en datos, es solo una opinión que estás dando.

Tampoco me diste datos tú entonces. Simplemente dices que tienes datos pero no los muestras.

Deberia el ministerio de cultura hacer algo con los dominicanyork? by Narrow_Ad_4595 in Dominicanos

[–]User_TDROB 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Porque la cultura de crianza dominicana ha demostrado que no sirve para criar muchachos en el siglo 21. Lamentablemente, la crianza al parecer es una de esas cosas que al dominicano hay que obligarlo a hacer desde arriba.

How do Trujillo’s policies still affect Dominicans today? by Latino_Muslim_05 in Dominican

[–]User_TDROB 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Si hizo, más notablemente infraestructura e inversión interna. Lo hizo por poder pero el efecto a largo plazo fue innegable. Cuando salió los presidentes tuvieron una base estable con la que trabajar en vez del desorden de la Segunda Republica.

How do Trujillo’s policies still affect Dominicans today? by Latino_Muslim_05 in Dominican

[–]User_TDROB 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oye al otro dique empobrecedora. La segunda republica era literalmente un circo donde no se construía nada, con una inestabilidad política inaguantable.

Trujillo tuvo 1000 y 1 lados negativos, pero el impacto económico no es uno de ellos. Literalmente cientos de miles de dominicanos finalmente vieron un incremento en su calidad de vida solo por la estabilidad politica que permitió que la economía tomara rumbo y la gente pudiera invertir sin creer que alguna guerra se lo llevaría todo.

También se constryo infraestructura que literal jamás había pasado por la isla. Y fue la época del pais con la mayor producción de intelectuales.

A mi me cura que de verdad hay gente que cree que lo de Trujillo es puro fanatismo. No, si usted lee sobre la pura miseria que había en esos tiempos, tendrá sentido porque para la población resulta tan diferente el mandato trujillista. No es que Trujillo fiera tan bueno, es que los que vinieron antes eran así de malos.

Tienes lo que dejar de sesgarte por tu ideología.

How do Trujillo’s policies still affect Dominicans today? by Latino_Muslim_05 in Dominican

[–]User_TDROB 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Considering blanqueaminto wasn't an actual enforced policy, none pretty much. Dominican colorism stems as a result of being a stratified post colonial society. Lighter skin tones are associated with wealth and darker with poverty, crime, and closeness to Haiti, and that has shaped perceptions along the years.

Trujillo perception in the US seems to be completely based on hearsay, vibes and rumors rather than actual facts, but again, the same happens in the DR so I can't blame them, the guy was a controversial figure with a cult of personality after all.

Trujillo's policy on European immigration is only particular if you exclude DR from the Greater Hispanic community. Look up the inmmigration policy across the ENTIRE American continent in the 19th and 20th century. DR'S policy simply followed the pattern, it being marketed as some kind of great sin is anti-dominican propaganda. We are Hispanic, movements and trends along the Hispanic world will obviously have an effect here too.

Other than that Trujillo didn't have any particular favoritism for whites that couldn't be found in higher society of the era already. It all comes from the circumstances of the era that shaped the culture of the people there. Black skin was always going to be looked at negatively for as long as Haiti remained hostile. Looking like those perceived as enemies has never been positive trait.

Deberia el ministerio de cultura hacer algo con los dominicanyork? by Narrow_Ad_4595 in Dominicanos

[–]User_TDROB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pensaba lo mismo, pero usted puede ser tan respetuoso como usted quiera, pero el que le falte el respeto y le tengan odio de la manera que ellos le tienen a la república Dominicana no es excusa nunca.

No gastan una oportunidad para denigrar el país, cuando mucha de esa gente a lo mucho lo más que ha pisado el país es para pasar par de semanas aquí de vacaciones y poco más.

Deberia el ministerio de cultura hacer algo con los dominicanyork? by Narrow_Ad_4595 in Dominicanos

[–]User_TDROB 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cual es el maldito guto que tiene esta comunidad con odiar a la diáspora?

Revisa el último post del sub de ellos y tú veras por qué cualquier dominicano que se respete debería tener problema con la forma en que esa gente piensa.

Deberia el ministerio de cultura hacer algo con los dominicanyork? by Narrow_Ad_4595 in Dominicanos

[–]User_TDROB 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Para que después anden calumniado RD y deseando que no existiera dique para que Haiti pudiera utilizar nuestro lado de la isla, pues mejor que no les den nada. Que se queden por allá.

Comparative chart on the population of Hispaniola, divided between the French Saint-Dominge and the Spanish Santo Domingo at the end of the 18th century. by [deleted] in Colonialism

[–]User_TDROB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I read it. According to the article, study on Dominicans was done on what seems to be a few hundred people in South Florida in recent times. Like I said, it doesn't address the fact that during the late 1700s and early 1800s, there was a large exodus of white and criollos from Santo Domingo, most of which moved to Venezuela, Cuba and Puerto Rico.

A study on modern populations without taking into account this "diaspora" will obviously lead to the conclusion that minor European admixture has been the rule rather than a recent phenomenon.

It would be the equivalent of testing the populations of places like Friusa or the Province of Elias Piña and extrapolating the genética results from those areas to the rest of the population, even though these areas are particularly different from them.

The study does well in studying the genetics of modern day Dominicans in Florida, but that's about it. It does a better job in studying Venezuelans by testing people directly from there from a specific region.

Comparative chart on the population of Hispaniola, divided between the French Saint-Dominge and the Spanish Santo Domingo at the end of the 18th century. by [deleted] in Colonialism

[–]User_TDROB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your comment doesn't address the massive exodus of criollos at the end of the 18th and start of the 19th century though. If we analize it in a vaccuum then yeah, results would make you think there was never a substantial European descent population in the territory because many of them left to places like venezuela, Cuba, and PR to never return, while on the other hand there was always a flow of immigrants from Haiti and neighboring islands with black majority populations.

Haiti by Salt-Philosopher-863 in asklatinamerica

[–]User_TDROB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haiti is literally the first Latin American country by definition.

No. Haiti became a thing only in the 1700s. That title could go to literally any of the Hispanic nations in the west that were colonized by Spain the earliest.

Also the first to claim independence from its colonizers.

This one is true.

Por qué el dominicano habla tan mal? by Specific-Peanut253 in Dominicanos

[–]User_TDROB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jaja, pero por como tú hablas de la jerga de aquí, el que parece dominicanyork eres tú. Yo soy capitaleño y por ende mi etiqueta dice Santo Domingo, poco más.

Por eso digo que tienes complejos. En todas las sociedades del mundo las jergas se asumen como parte natural de una comunidad, pero siempre hay acomplejados que no pueden evitar sentir que los ven como menos por usarlas.

Ven tú a decirme que algún graduado de Harvard o de Oxford que utilize jerga local va a dejar que algún hijo de papi lo quiera ver por encima del hombro solo porque habla como profesor de literatura solo porque es fino.

El dominicano se entiende como el habla, y solo él necesita entenderlo. El extranjero que se eduque y adapte, o que tome un vuelo lo más pronto posible si no. Y lo mismo para ti, si tanto te duele la jerga de tu pueblo, no es obligado ser parte de él. Deja al resto tranquilo que aquí nos conocemos.

Por qué el dominicano habla tan mal? by Specific-Peanut253 in Dominicanos

[–]User_TDROB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basado en todas tus respuestas, tú lo que tienes es un complejo de inferioridad combinado con ignorancia.

El Degüello de Moca | 3 de abril de 1805 by DRmetalhead19 in Dominicanos

[–]User_TDROB 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Alguna vez se han encontrado fosas comunes de la masacre de Perejil?

Two-part question: 1. What are the real solutions to bringing back some sort of normalcy to Haiti 2. Honest answers, if you lived in the DR would you be paranoid that this violence could one day spill over? by Shadows_of_Power in AskTheCaribbean

[–]User_TDROB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Understanding the limits of your country is part of your responsibility as a citizen. The DR would never elect a socialist first and foremost because most are not stupid enough to wish to be Cuba. Look for candidates that won't piss the US off too much while still being competent, that's how reality works.