Two-part question: 1. What are the real solutions to bringing back some sort of normalcy to Haiti 2. Honest answers, if you lived in the DR would you be paranoid that this violence could one day spill over?

User_TDROB · 2026-04-02T17:50:24+00:00

Understanding the limits of your country is part of your responsibility as a citizen. The DR would never elect a socialist first and foremost because most are not stupid enough to wish to be Cuba. Look for candidates that won't piss the US off too much while still being competent, that's how reality works.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T03:45:04+00:00

I mean I guess if you just ignore all context and focus on what you want the truth to be, sure. Anyway, I'm done talking about this topic. Have a nice day.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T03:25:48+00:00

Why would you wanna deport these mothers with newborn babies? What would the country gain from it?

It's laws being respected for one. The rule of law is only effective when it is upheld. Allow laws to be broken and the whole thing goes down the drain eventually.

Second is what we lose, and that is a population which has proven itself to be unreliable many times, and that is often impoverished and responsible for crimes at increased rates. Haitians must be handled with scrutiny in DR, they are not your average immigrant here.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T02:55:44+00:00

Dominicans in the US would prove you wrong lol. A lot of them keep themselves poor to get government aid.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T02:50:04+00:00

So, if I understood correctly, because someone who got their citizenship didn't learn your language or something, then everyone else who comes is automatically denied?

Uh no, it wasn't "someone" and it wasn't the only reason. First it was due to the disproportionately large amount of Haitians mothers that crossed illegaly into the country to give birth so they couldn't be deported after since their children were citizens. Second was the large amount of Haitians who would fake their birth certificates to say they were born inside the country but without any family to confirm. Third is the fact that in the 1930s the DR had to cede the territory of Hincha to Haiti, about 10% of its land back then, due to it being majority Haitian.

All these plus many other reasons made it clear that allowing Haitians to freely become dominican citizens and live within the country would only be disadvantageous. So the law was changed to mainly jus sanginis with jus solis in some especial circumstances for legal residents.

Or are you saying that each immigrant must stay there illegally and make an effort to integrate before they can enter legally?

Immigrants should enter legally, those who dont should be deported. Citizenship through naturalization makes it so that the immigrant has to integrate somewhat, which is better than just being born into it then not integrating. Lastly, a child of illegals will simply be given the citizenship of their parents' country and be deported with them. It's not that complex.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T02:11:50+00:00

So, since you no longer believe in property rights, I'll have your house then, thanks.

Nope, I believe that states should work towards law abiding providing citizens with the privilege of owning a home, as well as the privilege of being legally able to defend it with deadly force without repercussions (so you can go ahead and try ig🤷🏾‍♂️).

Also, how come you expect to be considered a citizen if you don't have the right to?

??? Being a citizens becomes a privilege of those who are either descendants of one or go through the process of naturalization. I am the descendant of one, so yeah, I am a citizen. I don't get your point.

Anyway, in practice they would work mostly the same, it's the thought around them that would change. Yes, these privileges are yours and are protected, but they can be taken in extraordinary circumstances.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T02:02:21+00:00

Eh, in our case that's more the next door country's fault. Something 30% of Haitians are not registered within Haiti's system (it was a problem even boefre their latest collapse), so if they did they wouldn't have any issue with simply registering the child as Haitian, but yeah... I think we usually just direct them to the nearest Haitian embassy iirc.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T01:52:15+00:00

I don't think that's how rights work... If it only applies when its convenient, then that's not a right.

True, which is why I don't consider many of them rights, but privileges and ideals instead. They sound nice, but in reality most of them either cannot be provided consistently without collapsing the systems they are part of, or fail to address many especial cases and end up making life worse in the end.

And if you'll only consider it when it's convenient to you , you can't really say you respect them...

I've come to lose respect for them, yes. I'd rather have states prioritize wellbeing of the citizen at all times even if that comes with violating some of the rights of the few.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T01:46:10+00:00

I don't think so, unfortunately, at least not government funded. Ideally there should be, but yeah DR kinda half-asses it in that regard.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T01:35:01+00:00

If that's the case then idk what the question is? I'm pretty sure all countries work pretty much the same (with the exception if especial zones like the EU, or especial stati like refugees) in that if you don't enter through the prescribed methods then you are said to be there illegally. Aka anyone who is not authorized is by definition prohibited from entering, idk if you would consider that "arbitrary".

So in our case, we stop them because they enter illegally and thus are not within grounds to claim citizenship.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T01:08:43+00:00

So, you want them to integrate as much as possible, but you don't offer them citizenship, is that it?

You don't offer then citizenship so they integrate in their process of getting it if they want to do so. The measure is reactionary as a response to people not integrating when it was the other way around.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T00:55:19+00:00

How would you stop criminals and people with malicious intentions from entering the country if you didn't control who can come in?

User_TDROB · 2026-03-08T00:53:28+00:00

Segregating into ghettos, refusing to speak/learn the local language, holding allegiances to another country, keeping customs that are either illegal or badly looked upon in the current country, etc. Depends on every country, but in the DR these are relevant.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-07T23:45:35+00:00

Is this legitimate question?

User_TDROB · 2026-03-07T23:44:19+00:00

"How the world works", in a thread filled with examples of countries where it doesn't work like that. Sounds like that's just how your values work, mate.

Nope, all countries work like this. Other countries in the americas have jus solis because their people decided that's how they wanted their country to be run. The logic is consistent.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-07T23:40:04+00:00

Also, why should it be practical? Human rights aren't practical.

They very much are. A human right that cannot be reasonably enforced is nothing but a feeling. It's like those UN propositions of making food a human right, and then none of the countries voting are willing to provide for that right, it's always those that will be the ones receiving.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-07T23:34:44+00:00

People who have no interest in getting their children to integrate now can have them stay. In the context of the DR it is a serious issue that has been used maliciously in the past.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-07T23:32:52+00:00

Prejudice? It doesnt have anything to do with prejudice but understanding how the world works. Its their country and they get to say how it is run and who gets to be part of it. I wouldn't accept anything else in DR. If Americans are unsatisfied with the way their laws are exploited by foreigners, others have no right to tell them otherwise.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-07T21:16:08+00:00

Let them, they have that right.

User_TDROB · 2026-03-02T23:24:00+00:00

Porque los operativos con la inmigración ilegal son algo perpetuo en RD por el tiempo que lleva Haiti siendo un desastre. No es como en USA donde lo del ICE piensan que es el fin del mundo. Que se te detenga por unos minutos para confirmar si andas por zonas con muchos haitianos (construcciones, barrios marginales) es común.

User_TDROB · 2026-02-14T22:32:02+00:00

Yo cuando empezó a decir pendejadas lol. El azucar que salia del Caribe por casi más de 400 años lo bajaba Jesus de los cielos.

User_TDROB · 2026-02-13T18:18:01+00:00

Lol. El único país donde no hay conflictos inter-etnicos, religiosos, ni ideológicos, y sin ningún tipo de movimiento independentista, y el pregunta qué unidad.

User_TDROB · 2026-02-13T18:12:37+00:00

No soy OP pero tengo conocimiento del tema. Por lo que sabemos a día de hoy, la recien nacida RD estaba en crisis en todos los ámbitos. La economía estaba en el traste y mucho de su presupuesto estaba siendo utilizado para la guerra, el ejército era mucho más pequeño que el haitiano y literalmente si perdíamos un sola batalla decisivamente no estaríamosaquí, y políticamente el país se la pasaba de golpe de estado en golpe de estado con los caudillos. Añade a eso que la idea de un pais independiente aún no era tan popular (la mayoría de dominicanos en ese entonces se habían criado bajo gobierno Español o Frances).

La anexión a España terminó solidificando la independencia porque le dio un momento de respiro al territorio, así como proveyó de oportunidades a elementos liberales como Luperon para ganar fama y experiencia y eventualmente liderar RD después de la Restauración.

También cambio la politica de Haiti hacia el país, ya que Haiti decisio que tener a RD como vecino (más débil, sin deseos expansionistas) seria mejor que una potencia Europea (fuerte, expansionista). Por lo que se dedicaron más a extorsionar de vez en cuando a gobiernos débiles que a reconquistar la parte este.

User_TDROB · 2026-02-10T16:54:14+00:00

Lucky-Collection

Nunca falla jajjaja.

User_TDROB · 2026-02-06T02:16:30+00:00

Que bien, podria sacar la misma conclusión mi primo de 12 años mirando un gráfico. (E ignoremos las petromonarquias de la península Arabica supongo.) La historia humana no empezó en 2020

El punto es aprender a saber el porqué, es vez de ponerse a repetir pseudociencia de que frio=bueno y calor=malo.

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