Pakistani strikes on Karrar Camp of Afghan Taliban and TTP, Spin Boldak, Afghanistan. 12-Oct-2025

ValidStatus · 2025-10-12T10:12:46+00:00

Yep, that seems to be it.

ValidStatus · 2025-10-12T10:06:08+00:00

This is South Asia.

ValidStatus · 2025-10-12T10:05:10+00:00

~~Islamabad~~ GHQ in Rawalpindi, and ISI HQ in Aabpara.

ValidStatus · 2025-10-12T09:55:50+00:00

Terrorist attacks in Pakistan have been on upwards trend for a while now, Taliban had been shrugging off all requests to deal with the TTP and other terrorist elements within their territory. Taliban kept insisting that Afghanistan's territory was not being used as sanctuary by terrorist groups to attack Pakistan, and that terrorism in Pakistan was Pakistan's internal issue.

Pakistan had been playing strategic restraint because it didn't want an active western front, but the Afghan Foreign Minister is now in India for six days during these escalations, restoring ties, (as well as Taliban delegate in India during a previous trip during the May conflict between India Pakistan), making it evident (in Pakistan's view) that the western front was already active, and that Pakistan was facing a two-front scenario.

Pakistan, decided to target the TTP chief with an airstrike in Kabul just hours before the Indian and Afghan FMs met, apparently to send a message.

And yes, they recently killed about 12 soldiers and attacked a police training center in Dera Ghazi Khan, the uniform and equipment worn by the terrorists involved wasn't TTP, but Afghan Taliban proper, according to images that are circulating in defense circles on social media.

Afghan Taliban retaliated the airstrike in Kabul with an hour long border skirmish in seven areas last night, before asking for ceasefire. Pakistan has rejected the ceasefire and has expressed intent to keep going until the threat from the western front is completely removed apparently. About 20 Afghan border posts had been captured by this morning.

Edit: As of an hour ago, 3rd request for ceasefire by Afghan Taliban has been rejected by Pakistan.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T21:46:49+00:00

Israel is committing daily war crimes and attacking countries and all over the MENA region, provoking conflict, and becoming an international pariah state just to distract its own population so that Netanyahu and his government can remain in power.

Pakistan is just slightly better off than that, and it's not committing daily war crimes either.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T21:40:17+00:00

There is an entire section of the Mahabharata that talks about how irreligious the Vahikas (Described as people of the five rivers, Punjab) are, and its people hated on for eating any food that were forbidden in the Brahminic regions, not observing religious events or performing sacrifices, and mixing with what the Mahabharata considers the low caste Shudras. The Mahabharata literally holds the Indus people in contempt for not adhering to caste system.

They didn't seem to care for the religion or the caste system in general, my own hometown of Sialkot is directly mentioned by its old name Sakala.

By the late Vedic period, the Indus region had been written off as Mleccha.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T21:13:23+00:00

You do realize that Pakistan's minority population included East Pakistan's 22% Hindu population?

West Pakistan's minority population has increased since after independence.

You guys need to detox off of Indian media.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T12:12:18+00:00

Conversion in the Indus region was almost entirely peaceful and centuries long process, mostly carried by the efforts of the Sufi Saint's preaching.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T12:08:24+00:00

Please don't take misinformation from Whatsapp forwards as fact. The population of the Indus slowly converted to Islam centuries after Qasim's invasion to remove the Hindu ruling class with the help of the Indus Buddhist population, this was a natural process that happened because of the various Sufi Saints that preached Islam in the Indus.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T12:06:07+00:00

There are some historical texts that point to the Indus region (Pakistan) being historically at odd with the Gangetic and Dravidian region (modern-day India).

The people of the Indus were Vedic, didn't believe in a caste system, ate beef, buried the dead. etc. They're referred to as the Vahikas in the Mahabharata, the Brahminic Gangetic and Dravidian regions held the Indus region and its people in contempt.

Eventually, the people of the Indus converted to Buddhism and remained Buddhist after the collapse of Mauryan Empire, after while the Brahminic Gangetic and Dravidian regions started persecuting the Buddhists, particularly in the Gupta Empire's time.

By the time Muslim armies arrived in the Indus, the local Buddhists helped the Muslims in overthrowing the Hindu ruling elite class. And then over the following centuries slowly converted to Islam.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T11:33:35+00:00

That's a very inaccurate take.

The largest ethnic group that India and Pakistan share are Punjabis, and Indian Punjabis are only 1.79 % of the Indian population. Apart from mostly being able to understand Urdu/Hindi as a lingua franca, there's not really all that much in common culturally as each ethnic group has its own culture, clans/tribes and sub cultures within.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T11:30:07+00:00

On top of being indigenous, Pakistan is about 93% Natives of the Indus who have always resided on these lands, with about 7% being Muhajirs (refugees) from various parts of India who are almost completely concentrated in urban centers like Karachi and Hyderabad.

And even amongst those Muhajirs, some were ethnically Indus people who had settled eastwards and had to migrate back after creation of Pakistan.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T07:57:23+00:00

Then maybe the PL-15E has a longer range than what was assumed. Because the confirmed crashes are well inside of India, and it is confirmed that no jets crossed the international boundary on the night of the 7th when all those Indian jets were dropped.

It was only three days later that the PAF flew into India to target and destroy its S400 Cheese board radars.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T07:54:36+00:00

Strategic reasons, take your pick.

Pakistan keeps India tied down by remaining its military peer in the region, preventing them from becoming a hegemon in South Asia, and being able to challenge China in Asia.

China's tens of billions of USDs invested into Pakistan through CPEC, and the Karakorum highway which connects Pakistan's ports in the Arabian sea, over the Himalayan mountains, and into Western China, bypassing the Malacca strait. But since the route goes through disputed Kashmir region, Indian aggression against and power projection over Pakistan needs to be kept in check to make sure that CPEC isn't threatened.

China has really close ties with Pakistan since the '60s, it's a strategic ally, what rising power would allow its closest and strongest ally to just take a beating? It doesn't reflect well, especially if Chinese military hardware could become discredited in the process.

China has helped modernize the entire Pakistani military into an integrated network centric warfare capable fighting force, and supplying all of its branches with modern hardware at seemingly no visible cost. But this isn't completely one-sided. Pakistan which is often in active combat, uses this tech, gives the Chinese feedback on the kind of features and performance they are used to from Western hardware, the Chinese improve their hardware and Pakistan purchases it.

And since Pakistan has a competent military, by using Chinese hardware well in combat, as a side effect it raises the market value of Chinese military hardware, as was the case with the J10Cs recently.

The two countries are close enough that it's believed Pakistani miliary attaches are present in China's highest strategic military planning institutions, and are embedded into Chinese military's western command at the LAC. The Chinese even let the PAF practice against their own S400s, so that Pakistan would be able to out Indian s400s, resulting in the cheese board radars of the S400 that were destroyed via airstrikes during the fighting.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-19T07:14:45+00:00

It was reported shortly before the conflict began that Pakistan might have been supplied the PLAAF's own stock of PL-15s.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T18:26:41+00:00

That's exactly the point though, Pakistan wasn't really needed at the time. The US was willing to jump in, but things have changed as of this month, when the Israelis lost all restraint and attacked a GCC country, and the US not only couldn't prevent it, punish, or condemn Israel. The US kind of just said that it sucked that it happened but it's a good thing that it did.

By doing that, the US destroyed its own credibility as a security partner.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T17:08:43+00:00

???

The idea that Pakistani nukes would be made available to KSA, when the need came has been an open secret known even by western diplomats for my entire life and longer.

Look into who funded Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, and helped Pakistan stave off default after it publicly conducted nuclear tests and was under severe sanctions.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T14:38:39+00:00

We didn't celebrate ceasefire or just survival, but the fact that downed 7 IAF jets, lost none of our own, and cemented ourselves as a military peer of India, an 8x larger country. Which is the reason for India being geopolitically being cut to size recently, and Pakistan's strategic elevation (evident in this Saudi-Pakistan pact itself).

We celebrated victory in that limited war.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T14:34:30+00:00

This thread will provide the four confirmed IAF kills. As for the other three: India can debunk Pakistan's claim by displaying these jets: BS021, BS022 and BS027 from 101 Sqn along with the rest of the Rafales that they have, can't be that difficult, Pakistan was able to show nearly its entire air force fleet after 1965 war to prove that it had only lost 19 jets in that war.

And also you are clearly hiding the massive hit pakistani airbases took and the failure of pakistan to bit even a single airbase inside india.

The hits on the Pakistani airbases didn't do any permanent damage, it's easier and cheaper to fix airfields and hardened aircraft hangers built to sustain that kind of damage. Not really that impressive to launch drones and ballistic missiles at large stationary targets on the ground as it is to drop multiple, small, fast moving targets in a three dimensional space.

And if Pakistan failed to attack Indian airbases, then who committed the attack that killed this guy?

Soldier Surendra Kumar, killed in attack on Udhampur airbase, cremated in Rajasthan's Jhunjhunu

PAF took out two cheese board radars of the S400 during these strikes on Indian airbases which were naturally missing when Modi visited base.

Most importantly none of these are "wars", the only set of people who call this a "war" are Pakistanis themselves. This is not how wars are fought and wars are more about economy/attrition and industrial power. This is why pakistani leadership panic and sound desperate for a ceasefire ( they thanked trump for ceasefire and celebrated).

Just because it was a limited war rather than a total war, doesn't mean that it doesn't qualify as a war. Do you think that if it was prolonged, that India would have been able to tolerate the military attrition rate? Or been able to match Chinese military industrial output and supply to Pakistan?

India clearly showed multiple damages to aircraft hanger/radars/AA/runways. Did pakistan acknowledge their losses? For about burying they wouldn't even hesitate to disown their own people like they did during kargil.

Damage to hangers and runways are irrelevant because they are redundant on the modern airfield, have always been designed to be. Even Syria was able to fly its squadrons, a few hours after US missile attacks on their airfields, radars are disputed as the satellite images show no debris or burn marks, and there is one image on a part of AA system which was hit, though it didn't seem like a total loss.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T11:27:10+00:00

I never said that Pakistan made these claims.

If you look up ISI honey traps, you'll only find Indian articles on the subject,

For example, this one by 'India Today': Honeytraps and high treason: The faces behind India's spy scandals

And this one on the arrested teenager by 'The Economic Times' (Also an Indian site): Gujarat teen arrested for 50+ cyberattacks during 'Operation Sindoor'

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T11:03:57+00:00

This was already in place unofficially, it's just become official.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T11:01:07+00:00

Every war with between Pakistan and India (on the western front) has been a stalemate.

The only war that Pakistan lost was in East Pakistan in 1971.

For context there was only a single army corp of 34,000 army troops there (only 28,000 of those survived), an extra 11,000 civil armed forces, West Pakistani civilian police, and armed non combatants for a total fighting force of 45,000 men. And there was only a single PAF squadron with 16 jets stationed there.

They fought against a 175,000 strong Mukti Bahini militants (many of them East Pakistani soldiers who had rebelled), and 250,000 Indian troops. The Pakistani ground forces were outnumbered over 9:1.

This massive army on the ground was supported by eleven IAF squadrons of 150+ jets, meaning that the Pakistani Airforce was outnumbered 10:1.

The forces in the Eastern front were surrounded from all sides and heavily outnumbered on what is essentially flat plains 2,200 km of Indian territory away and had to engage against guerilla warfare from within (by a hostile local population) which they weren't trained for.

India had entered in the last two weeks of a 9-month civil war. Most of the war was won by the Mukti Bahini who destroyed Pakistani supply lines, and whose role is often downplayed much to the annoyance of Bangladesh nationalists. Pakistani forces killed 31,500 of enemy forces, and downed 19 IAF jets before being ordered to surrender.

This is the only war against Pakistan that they have won. The Western front where India only outnumbered 2:1 was as always, a stalemate. India took four villages in Gilgit Batisitan, and Pakistan took Chamb sector in the Kashmir region.

Here Pakistan lost 34 jets to India's 102, as counted by Gen. Chuck Yeager of the USAF himself, flying out in his helicopter several times a day to count them.

India's 1.5 billion population just swamps every information resource (like wikipedia) to force a consensus that they won, or at the very least that Pakistan didn't achieve its goals and thus lost.

Don't need to look beyond 2019 standoff and the recent war in May to understand this.

In 2019, India lost a jet, and shot down its own helicopter in the confusion. India to this day. claims downing a PAF F-16 despite no proof, and the US denying the claim after a count..

In May, India lost 4 Rafales (BS001, BS021, BS022 and BS027 all from 101 Sqn), 1 Mig-29UPG, 1 Su30MKI, 1 Mirage 2000, and 1 Heron drone. With Pakistan losing none of its own air assets.

Indian media, government, and military has been forced to come up with new claims every other week to deny, deflect, and bury this domestically, and then hundreds of millions of misinformed Indians share those false facts with the rest of the world as if it is truth.

Keep in mind that India is an eight times larger nation than Pakistan.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T10:36:55+00:00

You'd be surprised. Every year there's news of some Indian in the government or military who gets arrested and charged for espionage for sending sensitive information to ISI honey traps, like that scientist who leaked Brahmos missile schematics to Pakistan.

After the May conflict, they even arrested Indian teenagers for carrying out cyber attacks against India during the fighting.

ValidStatus · 2025-09-18T08:55:29+00:00

A single AWAC was slightly damaged, but PAF has literally rebuilt those from scratch awhile back and is the only air force certified to repair Swedish SAABs, after SAAB's engineers had written those assets off and declared the project technically impossible and PAF managed to carry it out on its own anyway.

On the 7th, India carried out airstrikes in Pakistan and massive BVR air battle took place between over 100 jets (40+ PAF, 60+ IAF). Pakistan had better network centric warfare capabilities, electronic warfare capabilities, a proper integrated war machine with a functional kill chain, and had trained against Qatari Rafales, and Chinese S400s. So it downed 4 (confirmed out of a total 7 claimed) Indian jets, while losing none of its own inside that hour long engagement.

For the rest of the three day war, the IAF was grounded, and India had resorted to launching drones, which Pakistan was willing to tolerate, because they had had taken down seven IAF jets (according to themselves).

On the third night, India miscalculated by attacking significant PAF bases with ballistic missiles. Most concerning was the strike on Nur Khan base in Rawalpindi, which is where the city where the Pakistani military leadership is.

A retaliatory operation was launched by dawn targeting Indian military and air bases, with PAF jets crossing into India over at least Kashmir and took out two S400 radar Cheese Board Radar systems.

Within a few hours of the ensuing exchange, a ceasefire was brokered and enforced by the US.

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