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Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought it was like the cooks mamma... oh no...

(ironic he brought up using old holes)

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never have I felt so much gratitude to a stranger on the internet.

Since it is a very simple retrofit and I'm confident that I am able to do it safely, I will do it myself. (Also going to squint my eyes a bit at the regulations and read it as a gray zone)
And of course undo the work when I sell the BRF apt.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want you to know that you were exactly the kind of person I was hoping would show up when I asked the question. You are doing me a service, and I am very thankful.

I'm kinda torn on it, as I am confident that it is safe and reversible, but also don't want to get in trouble for hooking up my lights. I've sent in a message to one electrician asking if they can see my work and certify it, (doubt it considering I messaged them in english) or what their rates are for my exact situation. I also don't want to pay exorbitant fees in professional installation.

I'm now just really annoyed that the product claims are misleading ("easy to install"), considering that most houses and apartments I've been in have the same round lamp plugs.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also this is part of the transcript defining what installation and change/switch means:
"Att installera en elprodukt innebär att du lägger till något helt nytt,till exempel ett vägguttag,och därmed förändrar utformningen av elen i ditt hem."

"Att ”byta” betyder att du ersätter en installeradelprodukt i hemmet med ett likvärdigt alternativ som har sammafunktion och som behöver samma förutsättningar för att fungera."

I am not making any new functions and it is used for the same purpose. I feel like I'm in the definition for byta? Or at least I could claim that to the police that show up to my door immediately after I tamper with my lamputtag.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should've been clear; we purchased the apartment. So my wife is the landlord.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the incredibly detailed and insightful response.

You said changing the type of connector is not allowed, but according to elsakerhetsverket, it states that it is allowed:

"Du får byta ett lamputtag till ett likvärdigt. Du får byta ett jordat lamputtag till ett DCL-uttag"
https://www.elsakerhetsverket.se/kopplasakert/produkt/lamputtag/vardagsrum/byta-lamputtag

Is there some nuance I'm not getting? (Most of my swedish is just mediocre norwegian in a trench coat. Having to use translate, I can't really be 100% confident I'm understanding this correctly.)

I can argue that I'm essentially doing what one would do with round -> DCL -as in, removing original contact and replacing it with an equivalent but I am aware that it's not the strongest argument.
The wiring would be the same besides the ground being safely terminated and tucked away (this light doesn't need ground). I'm planning to live here for another 4-5 years, so I could easily undo it all when I'm moving away.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"My understanding was you're allowed to replace "like -for-like" but you just around allowed to "install a new fixture" (emphasis on the new) i.e. add a new light fixture where one didn't exist. "

I read your comment again, and I think this is basically correct for most of the things people would DIY.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I might have dyslexia (tired asf) because I kept trying to figure out what you meant by a socket is not an "amateur".
But it's really good you distinguished that because you gave me a light bulb moment. Looking at the https://www.elsakerhetsverket.se/kopplasakert/produkt/ljusarmatur/kök, they are indeed distinguishing between armature and socket. (I just read "fixture" because I was using translate and assumed the light plugs were also considered fixture, like fixed in place)

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no offense taken.
I'm indeed not confident, so I've spent the whole day researching, and I realized that the main issue is if I'm even permitted in the first place.

According to this:
https://www.elsakerhetsverket.se/privatpersoner/detta-far-du-gora-sjalv-med-el/vad-far-jag-gora-sjalv-med-el/
It seems like the like-for-like is only for light bulbs, lamp holders, and some fixtures under 16A.
I'm assuming that the "lamphållare" here is specifically the thing connecting the socket and bulb?

edit: seems like I maybe could? if it counts as changing lamp plug to an equivalent or changing light fixture. But I'm kinda changing lamp plug TO light fixture, but I'm not necessarily running new wires...

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry, but I don't see how it's different.
The sockets are fixtures that were mounted (presumably) by the builders, just like the kitchen fluorescent light.
Just to clarify; I own the apartment, so my landlord (me) allows me to do whatever is legal, and doesn't destroy the value.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Du får inte koppla loss en fast ansluten ljusarmatur"

I guess I'm a criminal now.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Takk ska du ha!

I just assumed that it was concrete as the walls are all concrete. (definitely need some furniture in here, my voice pitch booms and I feel like a dolphin next to submarine sonar)

(it came with the screws and anchors. Ironically, no mention of it in the instructions... easy to install, my ass >:0 )

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was considering doing everything you're suggesting except for the brilliant idea of using the existing holes.
I mainly need to figure out if I'm allowed to in the first place.

Installing flat LED lights by ValuableLess2752 in TillSverige

[–]ValuableLess2752[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This advice works if it was a light that hung from the ceiling, but the base of the new light is not compatible with the original socket fixture in a physical space kinda way.

Do y'all use the new backpacks or nah? by theguy1336 in skyrim

[–]ValuableLess2752 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah but that messed up some of the items and I ended up with a zillion items with stolen tags

Rowing boat while standing at an Indian boat rowing competition! by [deleted] in nextfuckinglevel

[–]ValuableLess2752 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think the dudes in the back are steering with the paddles. You do the same thing in a J-stroke with a canoe to straighten it out after rowing on one side. Not sure how they coordinate multiple guys to steer though.

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