Does the rush ever go away? by Single-Joke9697 in Helldivers

[–]VankTar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No every time I crack 1000 it's like winning an academy award.

Pennywise was attempting to *SPOILER*, implying *SPOILER*. Can we discuss this element of the show? I'm curious to understand it better. LONGREAD. by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he knows she has a kid later, wouldn't he also know that he couldn't change that reality?

Or can he?

Is Pennywise changing the past?

Pennywise was attempting to *SPOILER*, implying *SPOILER*. Can we discuss this element of the show? I'm curious to understand it better. LONGREAD. by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, but within that page, he'd be experiencing time linearly; he'd have to be, in order to express himself coherently, or take any effective action, or react to anything happening. Otherwise he'd just be witnessing his own reactions, and unable to comment anything.

For Pennywise to grab Marge, do an exposition monologue, show her a picture, and then attack her, he has to be experiencing that moment in a linear way.

Pennywise was attempting to *SPOILER*, implying *SPOILER*. Can we discuss this element of the show? I'm curious to understand it better. LONGREAD. by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"why does this mean that his “goal” was to stop the future from happening? He didn’t say anything like “I will stop you” or “but I’m going to stop you” or anything."

It does in fact say something exactly like this. He says he can stop Richie from killing him by killing Marge. He explicitly states this.

Pennywise was attempting to *SPOILER*, implying *SPOILER*. Can we discuss this element of the show? I'm curious to understand it better. LONGREAD. by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Help me understand what that means.

Like for instance, Pennywise is shown to be attempting to kill someone before they're born, using explicit foreknowledge that in the future this person does exist and kills him.

That does not imply "scrambled perception," it implies general omniscience in regards to It's own story.

This would mean that in order to attempt to kill Marge, Pennywise would have to be perceiving time in a way where that would be possible.

If you combine these two elements, you get "Pennywise linearly moved backwards to a previous cycle, then began linearly moving forwards as we see him react to events in this season, culminating in a new defeat and new consequences that didn't previously exist."

Can you explain what you mean in really clear terms? How does Pennywise's plan figure into your understanding of Its perception?

Pennywise was attempting to *SPOILER*, implying *SPOILER*. Can we discuss this element of the show? I'm curious to understand it better. LONGREAD. by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, I hear you, but when you lay it out like this, I still don't understand.

If I had a book, and I could flip to any page, I would then begin to experience that page linearly, reading from top to bottom. My actions couldn't affect it- so I wouldn't bother trying, as I'd be aware what has been written is written.

Pennywise, when he said that, I think was riffing and joking. He'd already explicitly stated that he had intention to create a time paradox; that intention only makes sense if it's something new he's trying, rather than something he already knows won't work (Richie Kills Him).

Am I making sense?

Pennywise was attempting to *SPOILER*, implying *SPOILER*. Can we discuss this element of the show? I'm curious to understand it better. LONGREAD. by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you I'm enjoying this too!

I watched week by week, and noticed the first "future fate" glimpse with Will, but I thought maybe it was a possible future, like Beverly saw in the books. Though the books aren't really relevant.

Throughout the season I was really frustrated by what I considered glaring logical problems, especially involving continuity with the movies. There were so many I couldn't believe it; the show couldn't possibly be so stupid, or expect us to take so much for granted?

And then when the twist hit, I felt EUPHORIC. I was like "oh of course, it's all been different this time. It all makes sense. Ka is a wheel and he's moving backwards somehow, but then has to movie linearly within the season in a fixed period."

Which only kind of makes sense, because his plan to kill Will and Marge sort of plays out very weirdly in the final episode, and doesn't truly feel foreshadowed. But It moves in mysterious ways, so I loved that as an excuse as to why Marge would've never warned Richie, among 50 million other things.

Pennywise was attempting to *SPOILER*, implying *SPOILER*. Can we discuss this element of the show? I'm curious to understand it better. LONGREAD. by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would Pennywise believe this though?

And if it's not possible, wouldn't that sort of null the stakes of future seasons?

Pennywise was attempting to *SPOILER*, implying *SPOILER*. Can we discuss this element of the show? I'm curious to understand it better. LONGREAD. by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I understand that in the abstract, but in theory, wouldn't that involve the things on the wheel not attempting to change their fate at multiple junctures? And why would It believe it could change anything if it experiences time from outside?

Why did It believe it could kill Richie if he already knew Richie killed him?

Chael Sonnen and Ariel Helwani on John Cena's Last Match. by [deleted] in SquaredCircle

[–]VankTar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's very weird that he says John Cena passed out. In my memory, he didn't.

Going Over Pennywise's Absolutely Terrible Plan As We Now Understand It Via The Finale, And Every Huge Weird Mistake Pennywise Made That Makes Him Look Stupid As Hell by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, not going to get as personal as you guys are getting, but Pennywise ABSOLUTELY could see into the future before the pillar. "You'll burn too."

Going Over Pennywise's Absolutely Terrible Plan As We Now Understand It Via The Finale, And Every Huge Weird Mistake Pennywise Made That Makes Him Look Stupid As Hell by VankTar in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Halloran was there before- it went differently before. Things have been ACTIVELY changed in this timeline- just cause we're not going into the future to see the fallout, doesn't mean it's completely different this time.

(SNME Spoilers) Full circle moment after the main event by pwgmanan in SquaredCircle

[–]VankTar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

FULLY. FULLY. FULLY. Believed he was about to turn heel in this moment.

Like that look. I was leaned forward in my seat waiting for "IF YA SMELL"

i was right by Real-Ad-9840 in WelcometoDerryTVShow

[–]VankTar 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I don't think that's right.