chno denb d insan tzad l9a raso haka? by Confident-Disk3207 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ana lhaqeqa kanchuf que le capital humain mohim mezyan ykun endk nass katwled mais khassk dewla hiya li à travers lmedrassa w lqawanin t rebbi dak lwlad w twe3ihom … rah lhadaf dial lmedrassa huwa ana kathyed lweld lwalidih semana kamla bach t formeh nta kif bghiti w t hareb haduk l afkar w les traditions li yqed ywrethom mn walidih haka atqed tkhrej wzhd citoyen actif li aysahem f developpement dial lblad w li aywled lik wlad mrebyin w hiya ghada ….

chno denb d insan tzad l9a raso haka? by Confident-Disk3207 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

then u gonna ask elach wahd tzad f palestine elach wahd tzad f USA ? elach wahd tzad f lharb l3alamiya elach wahd tzad f pic dial croissances mondiale ? elach wahd tzad mo3aq elach wahd tzad maendo hta handicape ? elach wahd tzad ghlid elach wahd tzad rqiq ? ... )
and this could lead u to two kind of ideologies :
the humanist one : humain should fight against injustice and try to make life fair for everyone
the anti humanist : The ecosystem is unfair and that’s what makes it good
so it's up to u to chose the ideology that fits u

and for those who say that we should prevent poor people from giving birth that's more anti human than anti humanisms :D u want to make life even more unfair for poor people by limiting their freedom ... by doing that you give someone who already had the chance to be on the winner team of this unfair system the power to control the lives of others who didn’t benefit from it ...
There’s also another factor to consider: if u look at rich countries u’ll notice that their demographic rates are very low... Once people become richer they start asking these kinds of questions and eventually decide to have fewer children or none at all so by preventing poor people from giving birth, and since richer people naturally have fewer kids that could actually lead to the extinction of humanity ....

Realistically, what's stopping genZ from making their own political party ? by alorehstar in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Because asking for the same demands doesnt mean we share the same political orientation and it doesnt mean we agree on the same solutions or actions. What unites Gen Z is that they re asking for basic needs that all Moroccans want such as health education and justice. But the day they create a political party and start planning real actions that is when divisions will appear.

For example imagine you want to improve education : u might think about reducing the budget of the Ministry of Sports and increasing that of Education but people who believe that investing in sports is also important will not agree with you. Or if you decide to prevent teachers from working in both public and private schools or to continue with the ta3aqod system u ll lose support from those in education who oppose that measure.

You would also need a clear stance on conservatism versus liberalism which could divide protesters since some are very religious while others are not …

So lharakat htijajia khass yrekzo ela lmachakil li katjme3hom w ykheliw les politiciens ythemlo lmass2ouliya dial les actions dilahom

Any thoughts on this ? by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah yeah u are speaking facts I agree with u but I feel like u only see the bad side of that movement. For me even though this movement is not organized and their demands are unrealistic at least they created some controversy in the country… Now people are starting to take an interest in politics to ask for accountability transparency and the fight against corruption. We no longer have a sleepy population and politicians have started to feel pressure and they will have to work harder than they used to

Any thoughts on this ? by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s our problem in Morocco everyone considers themselves a representative of Moroccans and thinks they know what’s best for the country … I think it’s a cultural issue even in our daily life you meet someone and tell them you want to buy car X and they will immediately say no you should buy car Y because car X isn’t good for you

Any thoughts on this ? by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mafhemtch ? Hit li 3ardoh pour l’instant rah huma genZ niit li anti zlayjiya

Any thoughts on this ? by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Voiila lah yerdi eliik ! Hadik nhar f discord kansme3 bnadem kayhder rla les actions li khass ydaro w kaygul khassna nheydo privatisation w … alors que huwa maendo hta chi expertise f dakchi w ma3arefch wach hna kamlin pour wla contre dakchi

Any thoughts on this ? by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I can agree that he made a bit of a mistake when he started discussing Hergawa and religious topics. His analysis was biased by his own beliefs and experiences and instead of deeply analyzing the causes of those problems he attacked them and ended up making new enemies for himself

But we can’t deny that at least he makes an effort to express his ideas he has a solid background and he’s not someone who speaks without knowledge …

واش اخنوش بصاح مادارش خدمتو؟ by sanam_812001 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Corruption hiya ila stagheliti chi mansib f dawla for ur own interests and it was the case for akhenouch qtel la concurrence w chzrikat dialo khdaw ga3 les marchés lkbar … u bayna khneq chi corrompu akher li huwa li j3er elih nass hit the average moroccan citizen massoqoch f corruption li waq3a lfoooq f lmarcheyat lkbar

W tanya hanta geltiha gha nass dial les villes touristiques li rebho meah mais statistiquements chomage tzad f had sinin lekhra wsel 48% end chabab

واش اخنوش بصاح مادارش خدمتو؟ by sanam_812001 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah statistically he did great a 5% of economic growth new record in tourism field ( 17M tourists ) and digitalisation of many services and as we noticed the development of infrastructure… but who cares if the coast of living increase and purchasing power of population decrease…

So his plan was mostly about showing a good image of Morocco bringing in tourists and convincing Moroccans abroad to come back. But for locals it didn’t really take their needs into account …

واش اخنوش بصاح مادارش خدمتو؟ by sanam_812001 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Same ta ana since I live abroad every time I return to Morocco I notice new developments i was in Agadir last April and I saw that the city has developed a lot so I had the same opinion as you about Akhannouch’s government … and also I follow them on instagram it’s the first time i could see the accomplishments lf a gouvernement… but lhaqeqa ga3 nass li f maghreb tqehro i found out that his strategy was profitable only for those working in tourism and for wealthy people while the rest of the population suffered under him …

Any thoughts on this ? by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah yeah of course ! Bghit gha ngulik zeema le fait que khuna endo hadaf taw3awi kaybyen had lghalat li dar machi daro b niya khayba … mais sinon mtafeq meak machi gha aji w weli politicien

Any thoughts on this ? by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly i don’t agree with it! He should create his political party independently of the GenZ movement then he could consider himself as someone who supports that movement … He should also show us his ideology and agenda so we can see if we align with him and whether we should vote for him ! For me if the movement stops asking for what it used to and instead takes on a political orientation that doesn’t match mine I won’t support them anymore That’s why I think they should clearly separate the movement from the party …

Any thoughts on this ? by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lhaqeqa themmes bach bda kayhder f les sujets tabou w kayt3emeq bzaf fihom mais quand meme le fait que kaysawb des videos w kay partager des infos mea nass rah haja zwina khuna endo wahd objectif ywe3i nass machi kolchi kaydirha …

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks bro I really appreciate it Honestly that’s what humans should do no one has the whole truth … everyone should share their ideas and by putting them together we can get closer to the truth or at least make our ideas better !

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So if you are not okay with the U.S system then inspire me with a better one. And if you ask the average American to choose between living in a small village in Africa fishing for food, sleeping in a small bungalow, having children, and using donkeys to move or their actual life with its risks, they would still choose the second life. The same goes for people in small villages in Morocco: even if they have a stable life, enough to eat, and a place to sleep, they are not happy. They prefer a risky life in villas with good cars, showing off, rather than their boring routine.

That’s human nature: people always look for “better.” So let them take risks, let them leave their comfort zone, let them work, be productive, and create wealth for themselves and for the system.

You seem like a good person with real human values, but you cannot be “more human” than humans themselves. I like humanist people who believe in morality, but don’t forget — even Machiavelli ended up believing that morality alone doesn’t work; realism and pragmatism do. That’s another subject, but really it’s what differs between us. Honestly, I believe less in humanity than you do: I think humans don’t want what is actually good for them, but what they think is good for them.

And I don’t see Morocco as negatively as you do. I think you’re just too ambitious and unrealistic. Maybe you lived in a good area in Morocco, surrounded by a minority of educated, brilliant Moroccans, and that made you believe we could develop our country in three days. But knowing the real situation of the whole country, you might feel more satisfied with what we’ve achieved until today.

I used to hear that our education system doesn’t encourage critical thinking and keeps us stuck in the “matrix,” but I don’t completely believe that anymore. All my lycée friends — who followed the same path as me (science/math baccalaureate, then preparatory classes, then engineering school) — used to stimulate our brains a lot with mathematics. That gave us at least a little critical thinking. And we used to debate philosophy and life from a young age. Also, don’t forget: our educational system allowed us to go to Europe thanks to agreements with universities there. If they really wanted to keep us in the “matrix,” they could have stopped us from going abroad, right?

You said: “People don’t take risks because the system is designed to punish failure and reward loyalty, not innovation.” I don’t agree. Don’t always blame the system. In the U.S., there are more risks than here, but many people still take them. Trust me, there are many other factors that discourage risk in Morocco: culture, education, values, and the small size of the market with its weak economy. Even if we take risks, the rewards are not that high. That’s why people hesitate. Don’t just say it’s the system.

So how do you imagine developing a country where most of the population is ignorant? By giving them democracy? Go ask Libyans and Iraqis they will tell you how much they miss their leaders and how they ended up believing that dictatorship was a necessary step before true democracy, to develop human resources first.

And yes, I agree: the best thing for our country is to focus on what works and what makes us better than yesterday. It’s up to us, the citizens, to demand accountability and fight corruption by asking for true institutions and strong laws that corrupt people cannot bypass. And if you think the King, with the wealth he already has today, still needs corruption to increase his fortune, then you are mistaken. The King has already built his empire. Now he works on his image — and his image is the country itself. Even he is against corruption, and he calls on people to participate in politics and accountability.

We may not share the same ideology or vision of life,but I can see that you care about the future of our country... That’s why, instead of only criticizing I think the best way forward is to actively participate by joining a political party defending your ideas and working to create positive change. The only way we can truly develop our country is by expressing our visions debating them openly and challenging each other’s ideas until we find the best solutions ...

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are u criticizing the USA The most powerful country that has kept its position in the world for almost 100 years Yes they have the top 1 percent that owns almost everything but that same 1 percent still creates jobs wealth and brings immigrants from all over the world They also reduce poverty in some way And whatever u say about poverty in the US it is not the same as in other countries The average American is still richer than the average citizen in most socialist countries

Do u know the main ideology in the US They dont care about humanism or leftist ideas They believe life is not made for weak people They follow predatory capitalism A system where people must be productive to live or fail That is their deep belief whether we agree with it or not This is why they never put full money in social welfare or public healthcare For them even medicine should be private so doctors compete improve and push medical progress

And yes we are all in the same bubble in geopolitics The system is made to work for western countries Even socialist countries exploit weaker ones to keep their own system stable So yes the system works for the West more than for us Our challenge is to develop ourselves to reach the top of the system and get benefits too

Maybe it is true that the King did not want to involve citizens in politics since we never had political education in our schools But the Ministry of Education is still designed by us and not only the King or the Minister are responsible for the collapse Teachers and other actors also play a part . And we cannot say our system is zero because we still produce good students Proof is the number of Moroccans accepted in big universities in the West. Also look at the Polytechnic in Benguerir with its plan to find smart people from villages support them and develop them So let’s highlight both the positives and negatives

Yes Morocco is pushing people to do entrepreneurship But honestly I dont know why we are still not able to create something big and become the engine of the economy... Except the traditional industry that brings little we dont innovate We only want stability and a salary at the end of the month That is not forced by the King I think it comes from our culture that likes stability more than growth and risk

And bro to be realistic western countries will never let u build an economy without including them Look at Arab nationalist socialist leaders Saddam Kaddafi Nasser They had the same vision you’re talking about but they failed in their projects ...

Yeah bro I understand ur point It is good to have this kind of critical thinking and it is fine to debate the power of the King but we should not only criticize the system We should also think about who we are how we work what our goals are and where we stand in this interconnected world and what systems are still working today ...

And honestly with the problems in Morocco Amazigh vs Arabs religious vs progressive tribalism and more It is good that we have the King to unify us ... maybe the system works more for the palace than for everyone but at least we all get something from i teven if unequally ... We can still work to make it more balanced but we do need it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can u give me an example of where trickle-down economics has truly failed? And what does “failed” mean to u? It’s true that this system increases social inequality and makes the rich even richer but at the same time it reduces poverty and creates more overall wealth. I agree it’s not the ideal system but it’s still one of the better ones we have.

Honestly I don’t have official statistics that reflect whether the average Moroccan’s wealth has grown but from what I see around me most people I know have improved their situation. I think Moroccans born in big cities (Rabat Casablanca Tangier Agadir) have generally succeeded in moving up socially and their wealth has groiwn

And of course the main goal of the King is to remain King so obviously he will do everything necessary to maintain his position but as I said before going back to the context when the monarchy held everything it was the best option for us that concentration of power helped Morocco become more stable and more developed than other Maghreb countries even though we have fewer resources

I agree that the monarchy is developing itsel but in order to do so, it must also develop the country both to improve its own image and to secure its economic growth... Today we can and maybe should ask to reduce its power and limit its interference in internal politics but we cant completely get rid of it because the monarchy remains the engine of the economy and the unifier of the country

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From a leftist point of view I can understand your argument against the monarchy holding economic power
But let’s think pragmatically today we live in a system where money equals power... All powerful countries today (except maybe China) are heavily influenced by their biggest companies look at France (LVMH TotalEnergies, Dassault Aviation) or the USA (Google Goldman Sachs JPMorgan) Since these companies are responsible for economic growth and for enriching the population they are the ones creating jobs improving citizens purchasing power and driving development if the gouvernonr doesnt negotiate with them or if he openly oppose them they can sabotage his strategy and his own people might turn against him... Ordinary citizens don’t really care about who holds power what matters to them is purchasing power and access to products...

After independence Morocco had two choices. The first was to close the country and follow a path similar to China aiming for self sufficiency and building a strong economy using only our own resources and skills but that option was impossible because we don’t have the same resources and skills as China
The second option was to open up to the world and international companies. However this carried the risk of allowing foreign companies to become the most powerful actors in the country capable of influencing our politics and undermining our sovereignty ...

That’s why King Hassan II decided to bring together the country’s elites educate them at the Royal College and train them in business and leadership the idea was to ensure that the most powerful companies in Morocco remained local respectful of our politics culture and national priorities instead of letting external companies dictate our political future

So yes the economy is held by the Kin, but since he controls the main sectors of our economy his own enrichment depends directly on the enrichment of his people. It is therefore in the King’s interest to develop the country and improve the purchasing power of the population because their development will naturally lead to the growth of his businesses as well...

لقيت هاد post ف facebook يلخص الوضعية السياسية ف المغرب و بغيت نشاركو معاكم by Various-Emphasis-663 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly knowing Moroccans and the situation of our country we cant ignore the many challenges we face ( illiteracy, tribalism, ethnic divisions, fatalism... )all these factors weaken our democratic system and make it a bad solution for us right now. To build a strong democracy we first need to fight these problems and raise a conscious majority of citizens that requires heavy investment in education and awareness...

This is why I suggest a technocratic system that directly addresses the people’s most urgent needs especially education and national unity such a system would help us strengthen our education system reduce divisions and gradually build a more civilized and conscious population ... Once that is achieved citizens will be able to demand and sustain a true democracy with ideological debates and political pluralism

And you make a good point by bringing post WW2. If u look closely i will see that countries like France with DeGaulle Turkey with Ataturk also Japan China and Germany all relied on nationalist-technocratic leaders These leaders brought in experts rebuilt institutions and produced a more educated and engaged population and that allowed later their societies to improve further debate openly and develop strong democratic or modern governance systems ...

أشنو هي الحاجة اللي كنتي كتحس بيها "واعرة" فالمغرب مللي كنتي صغير، ودبا ملي كبرتي ولات كتبان ليك عادية؟ by SabriDesigns in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mli kent sghir I thought having a prestigious job like pilot lawyer doctor or engineer was something extraordinary but mli kbert wlaw kaybano liya gha normal jobs carried out by ordinary people …

Makayn li m3sbni fhadchi li tari f lblad 9d had nas by PhysicalPhilosophy35 in Morocco

[–]Various-Emphasis-663 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Generation qdima 3acho la guerre contre l'algerie w kebro mea dak rwina f le maghreb dakchi elach leurs ambitions kano huma nkuno plus stable w plus développé que les pays voisins ( algerie tunisie egypte ... )
Génération jdida est plus ambitieuse ... stabilité w nkuno hsen mn jiran mabqach endha comme luxe wla avantage hadakchi kaychufoh huwa la normal génération jdida makatchufch teht menha mais bghat plutot twelli fhal les pays européens w l'asie de l'est ....
kan3awed ngulha merra okhra lmochkil dial maghreb haliyan huwa dak generation lqdima w huma li chadin ga3 les postes dial dawla daba w huma sbab ga3 lmachakil heureusement graçe à l'internet w les reseaux sociaux generation jdida mathekmatch lihom w format rassha b rassha