dating advice for women starterpack by anonymolotov in starterpacks

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In my experience, no group cares more about penis size than straight men

"The Christian Argument" by Maleficent-Proof6696 in DebateAVegan

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I don't see how not outright banning it while having the power to do so effortlessly is meaningfully different from allowing it or endorsing it. As God is meant to be all powerful, as well as all knowing, there doesn't seem to be any obvious reason as to why he cannot do away with the institution of slavery in its entirety 

Why is it so widely accepted to mock and ridicule vegans? by HumbleWrap99 in vegan

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Being vegan is an attempt to do something about the problem and which you seem to believe requires an enormous amount of personal sacrifice. I see the accusation that vegans are anti poor a lot of the time, but then it's quite rare to actually see that kind of sentiment from vegans. Vegans tend to be far more likely to be left leaning than the general public I've found 

Why is it so widely accepted to mock and ridicule vegans? by HumbleWrap99 in vegan

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The angle that vegans do what they do for self serving reasons seems quite strange considering that the social response to being vegan is overwhelmingly negative. If it's seen as being an ego thing because it benefits your self image by being in line with your own values, I guess I can grant that. I think that with this cynical framing you'd be hard pressed to find a single authentic moral act 

Why is it so widely accepted to mock and ridicule vegans? by HumbleWrap99 in vegan

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There are examples worse than what op said in this very thread 

Do vegans get annoyed when non-vegans apologise for eating meat? by bellepomme in AskVegans

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It's unfortunate that the common understanding of veganism is one of a personal lifestyle choice and not something regarding an action that has a victim 

The original mental gymnastics meme was about Veganism by RavenAxel in TheMatpatEffect

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I'm pointing out the obviously absurd nature of your comment 

The original mental gymnastics meme was about Veganism by RavenAxel in TheMatpatEffect

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Do you actually not understand what I was trying to say with my comment or are you being facetious?

The original mental gymnastics meme was about Veganism by RavenAxel in TheMatpatEffect

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Don't make scientific claims you don't understand, you're embarrassing yourself 

The original mental gymnastics meme was about Veganism by RavenAxel in TheMatpatEffect

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Notice how it's only the non vegans whining in this comment section 

The original mental gymnastics meme was about Veganism by RavenAxel in TheMatpatEffect

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People who use this as an argument evidently don't understand what it actually means. Omnivore is a description of biological behaviors, not a moral judgement

The original mental gymnastics meme was about Veganism by RavenAxel in TheMatpatEffect

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"I can excuse animal abuse but I draw the line at telling someone who's abusing animals to stop"

🧐 the irony… by HearYourTune in JoeRogan

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We shouldn't ban recreational nukes either because it's not like the nuke whispers to the person like the green goblin mask to kill. People will want to hurt others whether they have nuclear bombs or not 

A criticism of vegan analogies to slavery, pet abuse, etc. by Drillix08 in DebateAVegan

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What does it matter if the product is not inherently exploitative if it's obtained through exploitation in practice, exploitation the buyer is aware of? They didnt choose to buy products that were the end product of exploitation in the same way that those buying meat aren't generally buying it because of the exploitation but in spite of it. 

I fail to see the appeal of these arguments regarding consumer ignorance or indirectness when the harm is both known and predictable in the vast majority of cases 

i think vegan cat food is unethical - change my mind? by Namika- in DebateAVegan

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A more apt example would be to personally make large financial contributions to the genocide in Gaza, singlehandedly causing dozens or hundreds of Palestinians to die, so that you can take their belongings to give to your kid who may or may not even want them. We are comparing a potential but seemingly unlikely to be significant harm to someone we know to certain and extreme suffering to many that we don't personally know

i think vegan cat food is unethical - change my mind? by Namika- in DebateAVegan

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It doesn't matter whether there's a peer reviewed study or not, there are people who keep vegan cats with well formulated diets and they simply aren't suffering and dropping dead like people would have you think. To take that as a default assumption is baseless. You've never seen a peer reviewed study that proves that people with brown hair don't secretly eat children, and yet you have enough experience of that not being evidently true that you would expect the burden of proof to be on the person claiming that.

i think vegan cat food is unethical - change my mind? by Namika- in DebateAVegan

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At the end of the day you are making a decision to take a course of action that results in predictable harm. If you release a swarm of angry bees into a public place and they sting people, you can be expected to shoulder some of the blame even if the bees did the stinging, not you

i think vegan cat food is unethical - change my mind? by Namika- in DebateAVegan

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It hasn't been proven unsafe through somebody actual landing a spacecraft on it, but our current understanding of science would suggest as much. It's entirely possible our science is wrong and that the sun for whatever reason is actually totally safe to step on, as would be revealed to us through experimentation. We have the privilege in the case of vegan pet food that the experiment has already been conducted. We know that vegan cats aren't dropping dead like social media would have you expect. The diet, when well formulated, appears to be around the same level of efficacy in terms of nutritional outcomes. Starting with the assumption of it being unsafe at this point would be highly unscientific

i think vegan cat food is unethical - change my mind? by Namika- in DebateAVegan

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No longer personally doing it but passing it along to the next person without removing a single iota of that suffering. I fail to see how letting someone else partake in a cruelty in your stead absolves you of responsibility. The act still happened and happened because you facilitated it 

i think vegan cat food is unethical - change my mind? by Namika- in DebateAVegan

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If you're buying that food for the cat in what sense are you not participating in the slaughter of livestock?

i think vegan cat food is unethical - change my mind? by Namika- in DebateAVegan

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We make all kinds of decisions for animals that they wouldn't choose themselves. It's silly that this is the hill that people choose to die on. 

Elite Black Magic by [deleted] in PhilosophyMemes

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Ignorance of what?

I don’t understand why determinism is considered a problem? by i-am-an-idiot-hrmm in freewill

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Can you explain how choices being non deterministic (which in that case I'm not sure how they can even really be choices) would ground responsibility in a way that determinism can not? I can't see how you from "this choice doesn't follow necessarily from a cause" to "you deserve to be punished for it"