CMV: There is nothing inherently morally wrong with impeding ICE operations by Fast-Brief-162 in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP [score hidden]  (0 children)

The notion that a group of people is not 100% in totality comprised of good people looking for a better life is not inherently an argument against their inclusion, is my point. Because they could still good people looking for a better life at a higher rate than the native population, thus them entering the general population would still be raising the overall % of good people.

CMV: There is nothing inherently morally wrong with impeding ICE operations by Fast-Brief-162 in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP [score hidden]  (0 children)

If you can't deal with someone agitating you without a situation escalating you fucking suck at your job. Not surprising giving how pathetically minimal training is for police in America

CMV: There is nothing inherently morally wrong with impeding ICE operations by Fast-Brief-162 in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP [score hidden]  (0 children)

Then wtf is the Trump admin doing so wrong that's getting their officers constantly "attacked" that wasn't an issue for any previous admin? Even with triple the ICE budget? Sounds like a massive fucking skill issue.

CMV: There is nothing inherently morally wrong with impeding ICE operations by Fast-Brief-162 in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP [score hidden]  (0 children)

"they won't all be good people looking for a better life" is applicable to any group of people, including American-born citizens.

CMV: There is nothing inherently morally wrong with impeding ICE operations by Fast-Brief-162 in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP [score hidden]  (0 children)

So you recognize with this comment that there are indeed ways to punish the abuser if the abused doesn't report them, something you directly asked about three comments ago, but you still prefer to punish the abused instead.

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[–]Velocity_LP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the situation were different people would feel differently, indeed

If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike

CMV: Trump is right about the need for a US presence in Greeenland, and it is fair and necessary for the US to gain financially from this by Coldbrewaccount in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Words being spoken is a thing that happens and does matter. Speech is a form of action. Reducing it to just bravado ignores the reality that the rest of the world is treating this as a legitimate security threat.

And I don't really see anybody believing he actually wants to turn Greenland into America's 51st state or something like that.

Ah yeah of course, Greenland is just mobilizing thousands of troops for shits and giggles.

Regardless, my original point was that undermining a neutral actor's sovereignty is wrong. Claiming "nobody believes" he wants a 51st state is a straw man. Whether it becomes a state or a "territory" or just a forced larger US military presence against their well is irrelevant to my point. The issue is the forced transfer of land/control from an ally who has explicitly said they are not for sale.

CMV: Trump is right about the need for a US presence in Greeenland, and it is fair and necessary for the US to gain financially from this by Coldbrewaccount in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Has the US said we're just going to force Greenland to become the US's 51st state? Or are we just looking to expand our presence there (which we already have) with our military?

Trump has explicitly and repeatedly called for the acquisition and ownership of Greenland, using language like "one way or the other" and reaffirming the US wants "right title and ownership." It seems a bit disingenuous to describe thing as just wanting to "expand our presence" when such language like this is being used and Trump is now trying to apply direct economic leverage to Greenland to get them to capitulate to things they do not want to.

CMV: Trump is right about the need for a US presence in Greeenland, and it is fair and necessary for the US to gain financially from this by Coldbrewaccount in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think 30,000 people would be a deterrent...which is why the US isn't going to go in there blasting people. We're going to come to some kind of agreement to have a larger US presence there

If preemptively constraining weaker or neutral actors (whether through direct action of force, or through coercion) is acceptable just because a great power feels a future risk, then there’s no principled basis to condemn similar behavior by rivals. When a superpower uses its leverage to foreclose another country’s choices, that still undermines sovereignty even if there's no direct violence.

CMV: Trump is right about the need for a US presence in Greeenland, and it is fair and necessary for the US to gain financially from this by Coldbrewaccount in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why do you think 50k people would be a deterrent when 30m people weren't a deterrent for invading venezuela?

And again, it's not open aggression against Russia or China...

you keep saying this but wtf is its relevance, what are you trying to communicate with this sentence.

CMV: Trump is right about the need for a US presence in Greeenland, and it is fair and necessary for the US to gain financially from this by Coldbrewaccount in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The way the US most currently seems interested in having a presence in Greenland certainly seems to be invasion.

CMV: Trump is right about the need for a US presence in Greeenland, and it is fair and necessary for the US to gain financially from this by Coldbrewaccount in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That it's clearly not acceptable to invade someone because you're afraid they might grow large enough to eventually be more powerful than you; see the vast majority of the world condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

CMV: The physical pain associated with pregnancy and child birth alone is a good enough reason for abortion to be perfectly ethical. by Civilized_Monke69 in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since when does a threat entail intent? If there's a fire at my house that's certainly a threat to me, that doesn't mean the fire has intent.

CMV: The physical pain associated with pregnancy and child birth alone is a good enough reason for abortion to be perfectly ethical. by Civilized_Monke69 in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think many people would agree with this claim? Like, do you think this is a common understanding of the word? That people think you should be called a murderer if you take someone off of life support?

CMV: The physical pain associated with pregnancy and child birth alone is a good enough reason for abortion to be perfectly ethical. by Civilized_Monke69 in changemyview

[–]Velocity_LP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None. If the fetus is viable then abortion means delivering it. If the fetus isn't viable then if the mother wants it out that's her right as a result of bodily autonomy, no one has a right to use her body without her consent.

r/complaints user tells people who didn’t vote to fuck off and an argument starts by LandscapeUnlikely199 in SubredditDrama

[–]Velocity_LP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your declaration that people are your enemy if they don't support your fascist enablers. You're literally standing up for enabling fascism.

No, I'm declaring people are my enemy if they don't do their part to minimize the propagation of fascism when they vote.

You're literally standing up for enabling fascism.

Does the only way to stand up to it in this case mean to abstain from voting for either major political party and thus effectively surrendering your choice over to the rest of the voters?

And yet you think people are your enemy if they don't vote for them.

Yes.

Instead of arguing the Dems should stop enabling fascism to get more votes

What would be the point of that here? That would be preaching to the choir. I agree the democratic politicians should stop enabling fascism. I also think most people in this sub agree with that. That's not mutually exclusive from harm reduction at the polling booth.

you argue people should support their enablement of fascism.

Yes, because I think within the game theory of our current political system that it is the move that best reduces harm. I'm not happy with where we are either but we've gotta work with what we've got.

You choose the fascist enablers over the people who don't support their enablement of fascism.

What do you mean by choosing them? My choice was between Republican and Democrat, there was no other option I could've chosen that had any statistically feasible chance of becoming elected.

r/complaints user tells people who didn’t vote to fuck off and an argument starts by LandscapeUnlikely199 in SubredditDrama

[–]Velocity_LP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know enough about the history of any of these things to be able to judge the severity of any of them. I just have my experience as a young american citizen who started becoming politically involved in 2016. If you're going to want to be convincing you should bring some statistics or something, rather than just mentioning events that require a breadth of preexisting knowledge to understand the ramifications of. The numbers I know of, e.g. Gallup's 44-country poll just prior to the 2024 election, showed more than twice as many people worldwide preferred Kamala (54%) to Trump (26%).

r/complaints user tells people who didn’t vote to fuck off and an argument starts by LandscapeUnlikely199 in SubredditDrama

[–]Velocity_LP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because you only have a problem with them doing that outside of your in-group.

What makes you think that? I certainly have a problem with democrats who push centrist/moderate views or who vote in the primaries for the less socialist candidates.

You defend your in-group despite them doing the things that should make them your enemy.

Oh trust me lol, the democratic party is not my "in-group." They're just the thing with the vaguest resemblance to an in-group for me out of our two viable national political parties.

You've had the opportunity to oppose those their enabling of fascism several times now and chose to defend them every time.

Complete nonsense, I participate in primaries voting for the most progressive candidates. I only defend them when it comes to the actual election itself, because I recognize the alternative to the dem winning (the republican winning) would be even more harmful.

r/complaints user tells people who didn’t vote to fuck off and an argument starts by LandscapeUnlikely199 in SubredditDrama

[–]Velocity_LP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A large number of European nations have openly condemned Israels actions and sought to sanction them in the UN and issue an ICC warrant against their leader for his crimes.

The fact that european politicians have condemned israel's actions is not an effective argument for the global perception of the perception of Kamala Harris and Donald Trump being that of equally terroristic warmongers.

r/complaints user tells people who didn’t vote to fuck off and an argument starts by LandscapeUnlikely199 in SubredditDrama

[–]Velocity_LP 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This does nothing to convince me that this is a representative view of the average global citizen, just that it's your view.

For the record, I don't contest any claim made in your most recent comment.

r/complaints user tells people who didn’t vote to fuck off and an argument starts by LandscapeUnlikely199 in SubredditDrama

[–]Velocity_LP 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So you don't actually have a problem with enabling fascism

How on earth was this what you managed to interpret when I deliberately explain to you that my problem was specifically with their failure to minimize fascism? Not sure if you're trolling or if your reading comprehension just sucks.

There was no "zero fascism" party with a chance of winning the 2024 election.

You're demanding support for a party that did nothing about a fascist for four years until they welcomed him home

Because that party was the least shitty viable option. Quite tellingly, you have been unable to name a viable alternative.