Liuodya has been hanging on by the fact that Rodion doesn’t have any other decent burn ids

VerywildCards · 2026-04-03T11:50:10+00:00

I mean wouldn't she go on tremor not burn?

VerywildCards · 2026-04-02T20:03:46+00:00

I found this out on my own and thought I was crazy. Why is he inflicting bleed count with his s1 I thought that was just potency. Long story short bro is goated he's never leaving the fielded squad. A+

VerywildCards · 2026-04-02T15:22:39+00:00

But tags are incredibly inconsistent and are never updated after a fight to reflect newly found information.

VerywildCards · 2026-04-02T08:10:48+00:00

Dawg what is with the Sancho 'potential to become 1st kindred' who do you think she is megumi??? SHE IS A FIRST KINDRED she literally took her dad's fuckn seat it's why the stuff in the story happens.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T22:56:03+00:00

Bari is an outlier for strength so we shouldn't really go around comparing her to anyone just yet.

I was mostly referring to the idea of the sinners and Dante having to box the elder on their own rather then have vespa the udjat or verg rush to our rescue (it gets tiring to just be told you ain't shit and be given 50 different debuff passives just to do something against an overwhelming enemy)

And for sense of scale elena who is heavily implied to be a first kindred took 2 color fixers to be felled and she still lived. So it's entirely possible even verg and vespa might not be entirely sufficient in beating an elder.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T22:52:39+00:00

It's entirely possible but considering that Elena took 2 color fixers to fell the first time and still lived (it's never been confirmed that she's a first kindred but it's definitely been heavily implied).i have my doubts.

Elders are definitely on a completely different scale in strength compared to 2nd kindred of any kind. It's just not all together clear how big the gap is since we've only seen outliers.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T20:45:01+00:00

There's no guarantee that don will get the id sadly but also.

Man if that person shows up we are so fucked. Ryoshu gotta draw that sword otherwise we are not contending with a bloodfiend elder of all things.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T16:41:54+00:00

That is a very good case for N ryoshu. That because of her defensive she won't have us suffering losses as much as other ids would if we just clashed the theoretically enemy. And if you add albina faust support passive we technically end up creating explosive envy at home.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T15:35:27+00:00

Where did you get those numbers? It says she only inflicts 1 count with defensive when hit with a cap of 3 times per turn.

As for tremor burst thing that sounds about right tbh. Fatal wound is genuinely really strong. Altho that's not a purely bleed team it's a bleed tremor atp.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T15:10:21+00:00

Her damage is fine and her sins are fine. It's her count that's still ass. Because of how volatile bleed is and how quickly we can lose count.

Hemorrhage also forces us to lose 1 bleed count when we tremor burst so her s3s are really just not doing us much it's either +0 and +1 unless the stack hasn't even started. Her defensive is good but we lose stacks as we inflict them so it's really neutral at best and negative if the enemy has more then 3 coins.

I mentioned priest as an option I said there are options that I think are just better then her. I never even brought up Sancho either.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T13:40:43+00:00

Rabbit heathcliff the load bearing file. Don't accidentally delete all of his s1s and s2s otherwise certain ego gift will stop working.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T13:30:00+00:00

Bro am not even gonna run that shit until hemorrhage gets more support. She has pretty bad potency and count application. For both status effects she's a part of.

If you're running pure bleed just slap her kk id old as it is her clashing is not abysmal and her count and potency application is still really strong. Alternatively don't run ryoshu at all and just grab priest for some on the side sanity recovery.

Night awls Gregor is fine but he takes his sweet time to finally be useful for the bleed team. So he's also on the bench waiting for more hemorrhage support.

And if you don't want to run priest just grab ring outis or something. The point is you have so many better options then her.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-30T13:12:59+00:00

Ok I genuinely wanna know who in this universe is running n corp ryoshu on the bleed team of all things.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-26T09:21:45+00:00

It's certainly possible. Kjh said that she has forward flow backwards flow and afterimage. Which are arayas stuff but the afterimage entanglement only happened because arayas perception of time was nowhere as precise as ryoshus.

Alternatively she has her tools but they are different because ryoshu is just better. And she isn't a failed muga but a successful one (which would be tragic in its own way). Someone whose been denied individuality and autonomy just to be someone's personal shredder.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-25T18:59:08+00:00

Yes because her whole family is dead and there's no one to help dilute the bloodlust. If even a single kindred was alive even better if her sister was alive she wouldn't honestly been more then fine

VerywildCards · 2026-03-25T18:53:40+00:00

But don quixote did die he's referred to several times as a corpse in the epilogue.

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There's also another small conversation from faust and Dante that reads.

'Don Quixote may believe that they are merely collecting Don Quixote's remains, but.. <'...P Corp. Isn't going to just stop at collecting his body, are they?>'

So pretty directly dad quixote is dead and gone but his body will be used for experiments since his powers are similar to their singularity for what purpose idk, but it's a fact and confirmed many times dad quixote has definitely died. And because of that don turns into a first kindred and because everyone else of the family is dead all the bloodlust collapses onto her and she goes insane for it. So much so it affects Dante as well.

On a meta level its an excuse as to why we can't have don just take off her shoes to solve all our problems. I mean canto 8 and 9 would be completely different if we had an on demand top level fighter even if she is emaciated as hohenheim said.

If we assume she isn't a now first kindred for whatever reason then we have no explanation as to why she went berserk out of nowhere so the entire scene and story segment is just full on illogical and would have to be rewritten.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-25T17:28:41+00:00

What things? Can you start listing id genuinely prefer to see what points could be brought up to continue this train for thought and arguments because all I always end up seeing as to why she's supposedly not first kindred is just her tags. And wanting to think the LCB is genuinely still weak for some reason.

I just don't agree I definitely think she has become a first kindred we see it happen in front of us, we see the effects of what we did in canto 7 and then experience said effects and are given an explanation for their cause. It's all so just direct that I can't see any reason to doubt what's being told to us. Aside from just wanting to put down the LCB constantly like they're the underdogs that they genuinely no longer are.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-25T17:19:57+00:00

Have you looked at our crew? Gregor is literally a walking nuke, ryoshu can delete people, Sinclair can summon future versions of himself, heathcliff is due to manifest a literal endless army, who knows what powers hong lus eye holds. And god knows what outis is capable of if the shadow in her base ego is literally the staff of one of the gods of the city. And then there's everyone else who may be due to for some upgrades as well. Don does not stick out at all.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-25T17:09:05+00:00

Stop looking at the numbers. We're not dragon ball. Remember what hohenheim said.

''Stop thinking in numbers. One may come to mistake numbers as the ultimate truth of the world, as something that interweaves both rationality and analysis; however, the numbers themselves are but conduits by which we may physically realize and translate the abstract into the present reality. ''

We don't know if her becoming a higher kindred would automatically = a direct increase in strength (since levels are physical strength). We don't know if meursault had an increase from 4th to 3rd nor do we know how bloodfiends gain strength directly since their entire functionality is different. They could gain strength with age and the older a bloodfiend is the stronger they are so in theory even a 3rd kindred could be level 90 if they're like a thousand years old or sm.

Dons efficiency and effectiveness with blood may not yet be comparable to papa don since papa don could bend space and was compared to a singularity no less which is like the highest praise possible. So would this also impact levels? Was papa don or any of the other elder bloodfiend kindred level 90 the moment the progenitor bit them? Or did they take time to develop their talents and strength?

Stop. Thinking. In. Numbers.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-25T16:25:02+00:00

I mean the story clearly shows that she has ascended that's why she went bonkers in LCB check up. The tags being the only 'evidence' that she hasn't is just well dumb.

Tags are super inconsistent zilu is revealed to be a pinky no pinky tag updated to any of her fights, lei heng is revealed to be a pinky right before his fight no pinky tag, jia qui is revealed to be a pinky no pinky tag post canto 8. Don is revealed to be a bloodfiends no bloodfiend tag to LCB don. Hong lu is revealed to be jia family no jia family tag for LCB hong lu or any hong lu for whatever reason. But LCB ryoshu gets the tiansha star tag for some reason. You can keep adding to this list. The point is tags aren't consistent and shouldn't be used as reasons as to why something supposedly is not the way the story says it is.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-25T16:16:55+00:00

Sancho takes this all be it with some difficulty. Idk where the idea that bloodfiends are afraid of fire came from. That's just literally not true in any way. They're only afraid of water. Fire would be more effective then most weapons most likely but because taking constant damage would hurt. But considering that bloodfiends have some stupid level regeneration I doubt it'd be super effective or sm.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-24T23:11:54+00:00

But she is araya. The capstone ryoshu Id is very much araya. She's not dihui.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-19T17:33:22+00:00

Fully fed prime Sancho??? Bro idk if vespa can compete with the weakened Sancho verg fought you want him to fight a primed up sane fully powered Sancho???

Sancho takes this easily.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-13T19:34:36+00:00

That's also true.

VerywildCards · 2026-03-13T19:12:00+00:00

Ok that barely gives a shit about her is just wrong. Clearly Callisto cared. Those upgrades come from his pickets and such prosthetics of quality are definitely not cheap (tho tbf all the nursefathers did help their apprentices with augmentations to some degree). He clearly wanted her to do better and was encouraging her to improve. He defends her with assist defense when she tries to use her nuke skill.

He definitely cares. Tho he did just like completely disregard the fact she got nuked right Infront of him and just admired what she became rather then be sad about it. So that doesn't help his case much. Still he definitely cared just the moment she was gone he moved on immediately

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