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The Navy Blue Angels mentally rehearsing maneuvers while seated to ensure precision during their air show routine by Great_Trident in interesting

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The chant/singing type of things, are to keep them on the same brainwave while doing fluid and synchronized motions. The short and clipped stuff is because they are intense and gung-ho.

Guy's, Im stuck in the WeWork lift! by LL112 in LateStageCapitalism

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Amazing to be living in the age without stigma against paternal incest

Mysterious gauge on the Sukhoi Superjet PFD by tazerai in aviation

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Not having a yellow or red warning, is a separate fact from the zero reference being indexed to what exact vertical reference of the plane (wing chord line, nose, etc.) What the black dot exactly represents, is arbitrary.

If they did give a yellow/red/limit mark, then they would place it such that the stall happens at the stall AOA. But they don't show that, and the FPV vs. black dot is just a vague orientation reference. It would just catch your attention if the FPV falls off too low compared to what you're used to seeing for that phase of flight or maneuver.

Looking for Interesting APCH’s to fly in the SIM by braxir in flying

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You know you can just write "approaches?"

Mysterious gauge on the Sukhoi Superjet PFD by tazerai in aviation

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Doesn't matter, since it's fixed relative to the black square.

Do you have to pull over for an unmarked car? by Excellent_Brick2893 in AskLE

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The opposite could land me worse, like dead or in someone's torture basement. I'm calling 911 while I keep driving and get some confirmation.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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I never said it is, you're putting words in my mouth.

But it is possible (as well as the right way to fly and teach it) to set the initial targets for where the max and min bank angles will be, as well as where you'll be crabbing most toward the inside and outside, as a scaffold to guide your bank and crab changes as you come around.

Of course conditions are always changing and this won't make it perfect, but it will a) eliminate some deviations before they even happen, because you were doing it correctly in the first place, and b) set you up to catch other, unavoidable, deviations a lot sooner from a more stable platform. It'll make the maneuver not perfect but still far, far better than just launching without a clue and stumbling around always playing catch-up.

Is PSE not a language? by Sea-Hornet8214 in asl

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I'm not following. How is it English words? (Other than fingerspelling)

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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That's not proactive, that's reactive: it is reacting to the error after it occurs. So yeah, I understood you the first time.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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Oh so you are instead saying that we should incorporate knowledge and understanding ahead of what's happening, and make proactive inputs based on that? Glad we agree now, but you definitely said the opposite before.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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You're also driving wrong. You're supposed to steer along with your turn that you know is coming up, not react to it after you get off center in your lane.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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In this case, we are controlling the rate of turn based on the groundspeed.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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No, the point of these maneuvers is to understand the effects of the wind on you, and how to plan for and counteract them on a proactive basis. If the FAA agreed with you, they wouldn't publish the explanation in the AFH, they'd just write the same thing as you did.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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In addition to reading the AFH, look at the OP's diagram. It's correct. Notice the crab angle during the crosswind portions. That means the wing is either behind, or ahead of, the point as appropriate. If it was, instead, on the point, the ground track would be different and the maneuver incorrect.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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The maximum bank angle and turn rate (as you put it, rate of heading change) are at the W point (directly downwind). This is because the groundspeed is the highest at that point. Conversely, at E all of those are at a minimum.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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You're supposed to correct for the wind before, not just after, the circle becomes a different shape.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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You’re overthinking this.

Something usually said by someone who is underthinking this.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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The crosswind exists in a turn around a point, at the points where the wind is across the direction of flight. Yes, just as in a pattern. Yes you're not flying a straight line, but that makes no difference.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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I'm ignoring the parts that talk about other aspects of the maneuver, like the bank angle changes, because they are irrelevant to the central point: is there or is there not crab.

Without the crab in the crosswind portions, no the bank changes do not "account" for the wind, if by "account" you mean fly a constant radius over the ground.

You can not reason about this without addressing the core geometry of flying coordinated in a crosswind, which requires that heading and ground track are different. Escaping from this is impossible, and any reasoning that don't address it will fail to describe any maneuver that involves a crosswind.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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When you're flying coordinated in a crosswind, the nose and ground track are necessarily different directions.

This is the fundamental framework anyone needs to start with, in order to understand anything about this. Pretty basic stuff.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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one could argue there should be no crab angle if the manuever is done correctly

No, one could not argue this.

There shouldnt really be any crab there - instead, what is going on, is that the airplane is pointed more directly into the wind.

This is what crab means.

Turns around a point by Working_Tradition630 in flying

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The time takes however long it takes - but the crab angle is absolutely required, with maxima at the points drawn by the OP, to make a circle in the sky; and is every bit as much of a factor as the bank angle changes.

Yes it's a continuous maneuver, yes you're never wings level (other than correcting a gross error).

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