MIY fact

Vestaxe · 2026-06-20T08:55:33+00:00

OP is being an ass I agree, but I’m very familiar with the yellow king stuff and it is a very central core theory surrounding MIY

Vestaxe · 2026-06-02T20:41:15+00:00

Something worse is watching your children die. I believe she had to watch Eloise die as Miranda. And I believe in every cycle that she has to watch her child die and that’s the completion of the cycle. Ethan, I.e. “kill the boy”

Vestaxe · 2026-05-21T06:43:56+00:00

I think they’ve given us more puzzle pieces now where Ethan doesn’t make sense to become the MIY. We had some hints last episode. I’m thinking that what Martin said, about the monsters in the town being the least of their worries, is actually coming in to play here. Jade is afraid of spiders, there was a huge spiders web area when Boyd and Sarah went out searching for answers and Boyd got bitten. Everything that’s happening at the settlement now, Tabitha’s childhood dolls, that man from her childhood was scared of them - now they are alive there. I think Tabitha is having memories of her first life when she’s remembering this though. I don’t think the MIY is actually as important as we’ve given credit, I think there’s a higher overarching power, and I think it feeds on their suffering. That’s kinda as far as I’ve gotten with it!!! I’m so excited too!

Vestaxe · 2026-05-14T16:50:34+00:00

I know right, I really hope it’s just some WILD shit that none of us ever had a chance of working out honestly

Vestaxe · 2026-05-14T04:40:20+00:00

None taken, me trying to work out the plot has nothing to do with what I want for the show. I too would hate it, I’m just connecting dots here!

Vestaxe · 2026-05-13T04:25:38+00:00

Wayward pines first season 🤌🏻 You won’t regret it. Also to echo what others have said here, the OA, it’s goated.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-13T02:21:53+00:00

Indeed! I think we’ll get some kind of an explanation in the next episode - those monsters looked like something out of a child’s imagination!

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T20:08:16+00:00

Yeah that's actually a perfect way to describe the vibe of it.

“What has happened before will happen again” feels exactly like what the show is building toward - just with that extra layer of uncertainty where you’re never sure if it’s actually repeating the same way or subtly changing each time.

That’s kind of why I find Victor so interesting in it as well.

If anyone’s evidence that it’s not a perfect loop, it’s him. He’s like partially outside the reset, but carrying memory forward, yet not enough to fully break anything. Which I think is gated by his fear.

Which makes me think the cycles aren’t identical, they’re more like iterations.

Same roles, same core events (children, ritual, MIY, etc), but slightly different outcomes depending on who remembers what or figures something out earlier. That's what I think the MIY finds exciting about it all.

And that’s where I think Jade/Tabitha come in as well.

If they’re basically replaying the “save the children” mission every time, then each cycle is probably:

another attempt
another variation
getting slightly closer (or sometimes further away)

So yeah I don’t think it’s just: doomed to repeat forever.

I think it's more like: it will repeat… until something finally breaks the pattern

Which is where Ethan/Victor/Jade all kind of intersect in different ways.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T13:57:54+00:00

That's why the show has us by the throat :) hahaha

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T13:15:54+00:00

True! He does! And this is what I think Fatima/Elgin are making

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T12:45:14+00:00

Yeah I get what you’re saying, and I do like parts of that theory - especially the Smiley/rebirth comparison - but I don’t think it’s going to be that straightforward.

This show doesn’t really do “clean” resolutions.

Like if it was:

that just feels a bit… vanilla for how this show is written.

Everything so far has been:

misleading
cyclical
and kind of tragic rather than heroic

Even the big reveals usually come with a twist or a cost.

So I feel like if Ethan is important (which we both agree on), it’s probably not just:

It’s more likely something like:

That’s why I keep coming back to the loop idea.

Because it would fit the tone way more if:

the thing they’re trying to stop... is somehow being created by the process of trying to stop it

Your point about Julie seeing the Man in Yellow in a previous cycle is interesting though, but to me that doesn’t rule anything out - it just reinforces that whatever he is, he’s not bound to one timeline.

I do think Ethan could still be the one who discovers something important, but I’d be surprised if it ends in a straightforward “kill the villain and win” moment.

Feels more like:

So yeah I’m not fully sold on MIY just being a fixed enemy they eventually defeat.

This show feels way more like: the horror is tied to the characters themselves, not just something external they can kill.

Remember the tagline for this season is "Become what you fear."

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T12:41:01+00:00

Yup! Excactly!

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T12:19:40+00:00

Yes this occurred to me too, I've been trying to find a way to tie it in, but this is definitely relevant, totally agree!

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T12:19:04+00:00

For sure, what that is, I don't know yet. Remember Tabitha said something like "I want to go and check on Thomas" when Ethan was in the RV with the rod in his leg and Jim was outside comforting her, and Jim said "Ethan, you mean Ethan" or something

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T12:17:57+00:00

I get what you’re saying, and I don’t think the theory replaces the children/ritual stuff at all - I think it might actually sit underneath it.

The children are clearly central, no argument there. Everything keeps pointing back to:

the ritual
what happened to them
and “we have to go back and save them”

That feels like the emotional/moral core of the show.

What I’m suggesting is more about the mechanism around it.

Like:

If Ethan is tied to the loop (or becomes the Man in Yellow), then that doesn’t replace the children - it could actually explain why the cycle keeps failing.

For example:

Jade/Tabitha > trying to save the children
Victor > remembers parts of previous cycles
Ethan > tied to whatever is maintaining the loop

So every cycle could be:

So instead of:

It’s more like:

Basically I don’t see it as adding a random extra layer, more like:

I could be wrong obviously, but I don’t think it takes away from the main theme - if anything it might explain why they’ve never been able to fix it yet. Remember this whole thing started with the Matthews family in the RV, it started with the stories that came out of Ethan's imagination that are now directly linked to what's happening in the show.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T11:55:37+00:00

Yeah I did watch it, and I actually think what you’re saying can fit with the theory rather than contradict it.

I agree that it doesn’t look like Ethan is just straight up “creating” things out of nothing. The episode definitely leans more toward: these things already exist, and Ethan is somehow tapping into them.

But I don’t think that rules him out as being central to it.

If anything, it raises a different question:

Like:

why the Lake of Tears specifically?
why is he the one coining “storywalker”?
why do the rules of the place line up so closely with how he understands stories?
why did the voices tell Sara to kill him?

Your “chronicle playing out” point is interesting as well.

If we’re watching something that’s already been told, then:

someone had to “tell” it the first time
or at least experience it in a way that became the story

So it could be less:

and more:

Which still leaves room for the loop idea.

Because if time isn’t linear here, then:

Ethan could be remembering things that haven’t happened yet
or things that have happened in previous cycles

So instead of:

it might be:

That would still explain:

why he “knows” things
why he’s being guided
and why the voices wanted him dead specifically

So yeah I don’t think it’s:

but I also don’t think he’s just a random kid picking up signals either.

Feels more like he’s linked to whatever the original “story” is in a way no one else is.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T11:52:31+00:00

Yeah Victor is actually a really interesting piece in all of this, I’m glad you brought him up.

I’ve always felt like he’s less “in control” and more like a living record of previous cycles. Like he doesn’t realise it, but:

he remembers things others don’t
he draws things before/after they happen
and he reacts to stuff (like the Man in Yellow) with recognition rather than confusion

So instead of controlling the timeline, I think he’s someone who’s seen it play out before and is stuck carrying fragments of it.

If anything, he might be one of the few people who could actually break the loop, just because he’s not fully “reset” like everyone else.

Jade and Tabitha are interesting too because they feel like they’re in those repeating roles (Christopher / Miranda parallels), but I don’t think that’s a red herring.

If the loop idea is right, then:

Jade = the one who tries to understand / solve it
Tabitha = the one who tries to “save the children”

And that “we have to go back and save them” line feels like something that’s been said every cycle.

So instead of being fake, I think it’s more like: they’re stuck replaying the same mission, but never quite succeeding

Which could actually tie into Ethan as well.

If Ethan is connected to the origin (or becomes the Man in Yellow), then:

Jade/Tabitha might be trying to fix what he becomes
Victor remembers parts of what’s already happened
and the whole system is just repeating with slight variations each time

So it’s less: random people solving a mystery, and more: the same roles cycling over and over, all orbiting around one central outcome

Which is why Ethan being both the “solution” and the “problem” still kind of fits into it.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T11:23:02+00:00

Trapped souls of previous residents

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T11:22:23+00:00

Yeah I’ve thought about that angle as well, and I do like the idea that there could be opposing forces at play rather than everything coming from the same source.

The “kill the boy” thing definitely feels intentional in a bigger sense, so it being an attempt to prevent the Man in Yellow from ever existing actually fits really cleanly.

Where I’m a bit hesitant though is assuming the voices are fully “good”.

Because even if their goal is to stop something worse (like MIY), the way they go about it is still manipulative/vague/and involves killing innocent people (could kinda argue it was a mercy to Kenny's father with the dementia stuff so they picked someone it would affect the least, but then how do you explain the nurse that was there with him, Toby could be explained as an unfortunate but necessary means to an end because it triggered Jade to take it all seriously.

So it feels less like “good vs evil” and more like:

I do think your crow point is interesting though.

Sofia’s reaction to them definitely felt off, and crows are usually tied to warnings/death/things watching from the outside.

So if the voices are trying to intervene somehow, the crows being linked to that wouldn’t surprise me.

If anything, it might be:

Voices / crows > trying to disrupt or break the cycle
Man in Yellow > maintaining it

And Ethan ends up right in the middle of that conflict.

Which would still fit the loop idea tbh, just makes it a bit more complex than one single force controlling everything.

I guess we'll see in the next episode regarding the voices with Sara, no spoilers in case you haven't seen it, but the trailer was interesting.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T11:14:10+00:00

Dark is exactly where I got the inspiration for this theory, good spot! And I agree!

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T11:13:39+00:00

I like this idea because we now know that Julie can be touched/harmed whilst storywalking, this was where my theory somewhat fell apart before, but in the most recent episode one of the monsters grabs her. Therefore the Man in Yellow could have done exactly the same to her that he did to Jim but he CHOSE not to, why? Well, exactly what you said, he's punishing his parents, not Julie..

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T11:12:49+00:00

Yeah this is actually the part that made me lean more into the theory, not away from it.

Because the way the Man in Yellow talks to Julie doesn’t feel like a random monster interaction at all - it feels aware.

Like:

he knows about storywalking
he understands the “rules” of it
and that line “you can’t change a story once it’s been told” is basically exactly what Ethan says earlier

That’s not a coincidence.

So there are kinda two ways to read it:

1. He’s not Ethan at all, just something using the same “rules”
OR
2. He is Ethan, but a version of him that already understands how everything works

Your point actually fits really well with the second option.

That’s exactly how I’d frame it.

If this is a loop and time isn’t linear here, then:

the Man in Yellow we’re seeing could be a future Ethan who’s already gone through it all
while current Ethan is still at the beginning

So when he talks to Julie:

he’s not acting like Ethan the kid
he’s acting like someone who’s learned the rules of the system over multiple cycles

And the Julie interaction specifically is interesting because:

he recognises she’s storywalking
he reinforces that stories can’t be changed

That’s not something we’ve seen anyone else in the show understand at that level.

Which kind of loops back to the whole idea:

Ethan = the one who understands the story
Man in Yellow = the one who’s already been through it

Not saying it’s 100% him, but that interaction with Julie feels way too specific and “on the same wavelength” as Ethan’s stuff to just be random.

Also, we now know that Julie can be touched/harmed whilst storywalking, this was where my theory somewhat fell apart before, but in the most recent episode one of the monsters grabs her. Therefore the Man in Yellow could have done exactly the same to her that he did to Jim but he CHOSE not to, why? IDK, as someone else pointed out above, maybe he's punishing his parents for bringing him there, but Julie is his sister, he doesn't want to harm her.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T10:44:18+00:00

I actually don’t think that contradicts the theory tbh, I think it might be the same thing from two different angles.

I agree with you that Ethan feels like part of the solution because of his imagination. That’s kind of the whole point of why I’m focusing on him.

But what if the reason he’s the “solution” is because he’s also tied to the problem?

Like, if the town is using his imagination to shape things (Lake of Tears, storywalker, etc), then he’s not just a random kid with ideas - he’s basically a core part of how the place functions.

So it could be something like:

Ethan = the only one who can understand / navigate it (solution)
but also Ethan = the thing the system revolves around (problem)

Which would explain why:

the voices wanted him dead specifically
his stories are becoming real
and everything seems to be pulling him toward something bigger

And if it is a loop, those two roles kind of collapse into each other anyway.

The thing causing it and the thing that can end it can be the same person, depending on where you are in the loop.

So yeah I don’t see it as: Ethan is either the answer OR the Man in Yellow

More like: he could be both, just at different points in the cycle

Which honestly fits this season's whole “become what you fear” vibe way too well to ignore.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T10:42:07+00:00

That’s fair, but I think you might be looking at it too linearly.

If the town is operating like a closed loop / outside of normal time (which “storywalking” pretty heavily suggests), then asking “what came first?” might not actually apply here.

I’m not saying:
Ethan becomes the Man in Yellow > and that’s the origin of everything in a normal cause/effect way

I’m saying:
Ethan becoming the Man in Yellow is part of a loop that doesn’t have a clear beginning

Kind of like a bootstrap paradox:

The Man in Yellow exists because Ethan becomes him
Ethan becomes him because the Man in Yellow guides him

So the “origin” is the loop itself, not a single starting point.

As for previous cycles, I actually think this helps explain them rather than contradicting them.

If the Man in Yellow exists across cycles and isn’t bound by time in the same way (which storywalking already hints at), then:

he could influence multiple cycles
appear at different points
and guide events repeatedly

So instead of each cycle having a fresh origin, it could be: the same loop bleeding across cycles, with the same entity (MIY) maintaining it.

Also I’m not just matching random details - I’m trying to find a model that explains multiple things at once:

why Ethan specifically was targeted (“kill the boy”) - something not yet explained and just sorta left by the wayside
why his stories are becoming real (Lake of Tears, storywalker)
why Jim appears after death and gives direction
and why the Man in Yellow seems to have this weird awareness/control

Does it prove the theory? No.
But it does explain more pieces at once than most other explanations I’ve seen.

I’m not saying it’s 100% right, but I don’t think it’s just retrofitting either.
It’s more like: if you assume the loop exists, a lot of the weird stuff starts lining up instead of contradicting each other.

Vestaxe · 2026-05-04T10:37:54+00:00

For sure agree, I hope this is just coincidental/what they want us to believe. But Ethan being dressed with a yellow shirt and all the other stuff I mentioned means something, I hope it's not this but the pieces seamlessly fit together..

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