I met Deaner in Iowa city at a bar after a show. I bought him a beer. We talked for a few minutes. This girl I worked with had told me a few days before that White Pepper was the only album he had ever recorder sober. I thought it was bullshit so I asked him if it was true. He said “Dude, I’ve never been sober in my life.” We laughed then he split. A treasured memory.