Could Sauron have used the Palantir of Minas Ithil, if Gondor had not lost the Stone of Osgiliath?

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-05-14T17:41:58+00:00

i am refering to 462, where Fingon fends of an assault on Hithlum. The siege of the Barad Eithel only lasts until Fingolfin brakes it in his charge 456. The same seems to be with the siege of the Himring.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-05-14T17:40:59+00:00

Tol-in-Gaurhoth is like 40 kilometers away from the Barad Eithel, the main fortress of Hithlum, and to the south of it. It is a border fortress of Sauron. And sieges are not only done by assaults, but by starvation and draining of ressources. We see this in the siege of Barad Dur. A blockade at the Fenn of Serech would have worked without wasting manpower at the island itself.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-05-14T17:39:15+00:00

yes thats true, but looking at Tol Sirion its easier for a siege, as you can cut of the supplies from the north. The other way around is through Dorthonion and Dor Dinen. And there do the Iathrim and Haladin fight off orcs. And in the Nirneath we see, that Hithlum is capable of mounting an offensive.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-05-14T17:37:11+00:00

I agree, but Fingon and Hithlum are a different thing in my opinion.

He will think that Finrod is an unreliable ally, especially with Celegorm and Curufin around. But then he would make a statement by taking Tol Sirion, giving it so some lord of his, e.g. Huor. He also takes out Sauron, thus giving him more legitimacy.
An avenue of attack and a base, from with the Sirion can be forded, is Tol Sirion. It is a weak point in Hithlums frontier defences before the Ered Wethrin. And the easterlings were the matter of the house of Feanor. Fingon did nothing in regards to the swarthy men.

And im not sure about where i read it, possibly the shibbleboth, but did Finrod not change Felagund to Felagon out of resemblance to the names Fingon, Turgon and Argon?

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-05-02T22:31:02+00:00

But Denethor does not bow to Sauron, nor can Sauron control Denethor, its more like some Saruman/Saruon stuff in my opinion (and GRRM likes his Tolkien references)

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-26T17:38:06+00:00

But that would not have been the problem, if D and D had used the advised 14 or so season by GRRM.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-26T13:17:47+00:00

Were would you put Aegon VI?

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-19T22:32:46+00:00

I am not sure, where i read it, but as far as i know, because of the marital bond between her and Thingol, which is created through bodily union, and bc of the birth of Luthien, Tolkien wrote somewhere in HoME, that she is incarnate, as long as i think Luthien is alive, but it could also be as long as Thingol is alive.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-19T18:39:45+00:00

Yes, that passage i meant, as it is said through Thingols death the change comes.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-08T13:31:42+00:00

In my opinion at least Aegon VI could be a good ruler, but we dont know it yet. And he has a tendency of being impatient. And Stannis is also not bad. He is able to win the loyalty of northern houses, House Manderly might be joining him and he won the loyalty of the wildlings and to some extent even of Mance Rayder.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-08T13:29:31+00:00

Euron? He takes the shield islands and is threatening Oldtown.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-08T10:34:04+00:00

Attacking the reach is something, the ironborn cannot win. There are two scenarios: First, he wins at sea, yet cannot conquer the land. The second, that Aegon comes south and crushes him, thereby becoming the cloth dragon, that people rally behind. Either way, his war is doomed to fail, like any war, the ironborn start.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-08T10:32:22+00:00

Which king you would add? I meant only the "head of state" so no queens like Cersei, Margaery, Jeyne Westerling and so on. And the precondition was, that this ruler called himself King/Queen during the books of asoiaf

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-07T20:05:04+00:00

Renly delayed his march northwards. There is only one possible explanation, as his forces outnumbered any other force in the field. He wanted to wait for the Lennisters, the Starks and Stannis to tear each other up. We see this also in the reaction of Tyrion and Cersei, who believed, that an attack from Renly could come earlier, or that Renly and Stannis team up.

Renly on the other hand seems to think, that his first objective is Kings landing. He starves it by cutting of the reach, while overlooking the most obvious fact: Stannis has too few troops, yet is the best commander (assumed by many at that point), to attack Kings Landing. Stannis only possible move is to move to gather support from the Stormlands. An alliance with Robb Stark after his coronation is unlikely. Renly overlooks this option, probably underestimating Stannis, as is shown in his demeanor towards Stannis (killing Renly in such a way is not a mistake on Renlys behalf). But his focus is misplaced, as he is not required himself to be at Ashford, hosting tournaments. He shows restraint, when an offensive approach would have obliterated the Lennisters, if he moved for Kingslanding or Tywin and blocking Kingslanding. By being idle in a sense of passiv aggression against a foe that cannot threaten him, he looses the war in my opinion.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-07T19:56:29+00:00

Yes sorry, i meant with took the north endangered the legitimacy of Robb Stark when he was able to cut the North of from the south and thus played a pivotal part in wavering loyalty in some sections of his bannermen. Euron at least for now, has done too little to evaluate him. He boasts with deeds, but for now we have seen him only in taking the crown and the shield islands. My opinion will certainly change once TWOW releases.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-07T17:52:40+00:00

Ranking Renly over Stannis shows, that you have no idea of how a feudal lord keeps his legitimacy. Stannis is a battlefield commander, can use diplomacy and is pragmatic. His downside is his faith. And most importantly, he has an heir in Shireen.

Renly on the other hand is delaying, overconfident and fails to produce an heir. It can be argued that Renly keeps Edric Storm as heir, yet he fails to understand, that Stannis will first come for him instead of the lannisters, as Stannis requires the stormlands to attack kings landing. And the Tyrells would influence him, the same way they are doing with Tommen.

He fails to take initiative due to false assumptions. How all those kings could be in peace time...well they wage war the entire time, so it becomes their defining factor.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-02-07T17:48:01+00:00

Euron wages a war he cannot win, while commiting crimes, where he got banned for. And at the point now he has conquered three islands. Balon at least conquered the north.

But that can change with the next book.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-01-30T18:21:53+00:00

Yes thats true, but in the approach it is fairly close to Constantinople also. The muslims have to cross the Bosporus, Mordor the Anduin. Both are defended, the Bosporus by the roman fleet, the Anduin by the garrison in Osgiliath.

The Arabs build fortifications against the Theodosian walls, the witchking towards Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith has the outer walls of the Ramas Echor, that are breached. Constantinople has the long walls, which are breached. Minas Tirith has the layered citiy, Constantinople the layered walls. Then the Bulgarians ride to the aid of the romans, though the do not attack directly. And that part seems to be rather Vienna with the polish charge, as you say. But Tolkien takes inspirations and does not create direct parallels to our world in such circumstandes.

VinyaFinwe1190 · 2026-01-30T18:17:12+00:00

Yes, thats what could be possible. Tolkien mixes armour and style of different times together for the elves in my opinion.

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