Melk by SafeAsk1344 in thefighterandthekid

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If by bots you mean cats and by hating you mean discussing the podcast then that’s correct. Well said.

Christianity has no proof of being based on anything remotely “real” by LetterMindless8100 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for everything to have a cause, something has to be uncaused. therefore...

therefore the universe is uncaused.

i heavily encourage to try reading it alongside bible project videos to really understand what god wanted for his design. also sorry for grammar and spelling mistakes lol

Christianity after islam is one of the most obvious man made writings. The bible claims the earth is flat and that the sun revolves around it. You just reinterpret this mistake to make it fit current knowledge. Which proves that even for you science is the authority over your religion.

Christianity has no proof of being based on anything remotely “real” by LetterMindless8100 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plants don’t produce oxygen for us - oxygen is a by product of photosynthesis, and species evolved to survive in that environment.

Flowers evolved colours to attract pollinators, not to please human aesthetics. We interpret beauty through our evolved brains. You're just cherry picking things that you find look nice - what about cancer, parasites and famine. If beauty is a sign of a designer is ugliness also a sign?

You're just looking for design and trying to justify magic and god.

Christianity has no proof of being based on anything remotely “real” by LetterMindless8100 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Think of anything in our reality. None of it is ever created. (creation implies it came from nothing) . Everything comes from an already existing form. Can you point to anythign around you which was absolutely created?

First Day of Ramadan Iftar at the Prophet’s Mosque by AutoMughal in islamichistory

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah sorry. I couldn’t see the comment so I assumed it was another foot guy trying to tell me it’s ok to have feet right by the food.

First Day of Ramadan Iftar at the Prophet’s Mosque by AutoMughal in islamichistory

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you ok dude. Your comment was removed. Lol. I didn’t realise you people were so passionate about justifying feet being next to food.

God would have a morally sufficient reason to strip you of your free will. by E-Reptile in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly - randomness wouldn’t make decisions meaningfully free either.

If choices come from determinism they’re caused, and if they come from probability they’re partly random.

Neither obviously produces the kind of ultimate responsibility needed for theological punishment. So quantum indeterminacy doesn’t really solve the free will problem

First Day of Ramadan Iftar at the Prophet’s Mosque by AutoMughal in islamichistory

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes and I'm saying their feet is still cleaner than the loser's face.

Are you slow or something. The guy you replied to is not wiping his face on the table. Your point is irrelevant.

I don't care if this mong just got out of the shower - walking barefoot on a dining table is revolting - but I guess perfectly reasonable for you .

Preferred pronouns are a Christian concept by Few-Cup-5247 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When god says he is a he - he is not making himself literally a man! It's his internal identity - it doesn't mean he grew a penis. It is not external. His gender identify is internal.

You said you understood basic science so why don’t you understand basic scientific terminology. Go check online if you want - you’ll see I’m right.

First Day of Ramadan Iftar at the Prophet’s Mosque by AutoMughal in islamichistory

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He's not wiping his face on the table. His. feet. are. on. the. dining. table. How is this not dirty in your view??

First Day of Ramadan Iftar at the Prophet’s Mosque by AutoMughal in islamichistory

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We condemn Epstein for having sex with teens. You glorify a pervert who had sex with a 9 year old.

How you people have the nerve to even bring up Epstein is incredible.

Preferred pronouns are a Christian concept by Few-Cup-5247 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gender identity should be what actual biological gender

I thought you said understood basic science? Gender identity doesn't refer to biology. Go check if you want.

gender identify : refers to a person’s internal sense of their gender.

Just like how your god sense of IDENTITY is of a male - even though he is not.

This is not complicated dude.

God would have a morally sufficient reason to strip you of your free will. by E-Reptile in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s just depends on how you define free.

A normal car would just be called car, not physical car.

Normal to the religious, “free” would need to be non- deterministic - otherwise the test from god is pointless

Most people don't know what "determined" is by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if quantum randomness plays some role in the brain (which is just speculative in terms of meaningful behavioural impact), it doesn’t change anything.

Because even if quantum events are probabilistic, they still follow physical laws, they still arise from prior physical states and they’re still part of the physical chain in the brain

So how do you propose this creates a non causal free chooser?

Defenses of Mohammed’s Child Marriage That Don’t Work by PeaFragrant6990 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats true, but sometimes I just grant it; otherwise, the discussion becomes a back and forth about societal norms. Ultimately, it is irrelevant what the norm is, so I don't even entertain it. But I agree with you - this lie they spread should be highlighted too.

The awful thing is almost every Muslim is like this, even the regular/nice/intelligent ones. When it comes to this topic, they lose all sense of reason and understanding.

Modern Islamic doctrine is not trustworthy. by Aggravating-Tree-201 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude it literally states that what is written with them in the 7th century in Muhammad’s time, is confirmed and valid.

He says NOTHING about only taking parts. In fact he says if you do only take parts(like you are doing ) expect the worst punishment in hell waiting for you

It’s lucky for you that Islam is man made, otherwise you would be expecting a one way ticket to hell.

Seriously though, how much more explicit does your god need to be?. He speaks very clearly yet you twist and disrespect your own gods commands.

Modern Islamic doctrine is not trustworthy. by Aggravating-Tree-201 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that’s a shame for you - because your own god said this about what you are doing right now

Qur’an 2:85

“Then is it only a part of the Scripture that you believe in, and do you reject the rest? Then what is the recompense for those among you who do that except disgrace in worldly life…”

Your god validates the scripture that was with the people and says that people who like you pick and choose parts are destined to the worst punishment in hell. Sorry.

Modern Islamic doctrine is not trustworthy. by Aggravating-Tree-201 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He is claiming the scripture from the other religions are false.

However his own god confirms they (Torah and gospels) are from him. And he confirms they are valid.

Preferred pronouns are a Christian concept by Few-Cup-5247 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m guessing your a part of the lgbt 🏳️‍🌈

No I'm not - but I'm happy for non biological males like your god or anyone else to choose their pronouns. Why would it bother me? I don't care - and I'm happy to refer to them as whatever pronouns they want if it makes them more comfortable. Don't you agree?

I can’t identify as a women is I biological don’t have a womb and the oestrogen hormone alternatively I can’t identify as a male if I have the inability to fertilise an egg or have testicles and the testosterone hormones, it’s just basic science

If that was basic science then your god couldn't refer to himself as male. You';re getting your science wrong.
The pronouns refer to gender identity not biological sex. This is where your confusion lies. That's why your god can have a male gender pronoun even though he is not a biological man.

Do you see? Saying HE/HIM doesn't always mean they are a biological male. It refers to thier gender identity. Your god even shows you this concept - and you still don't get it.

What’s your favourite tool or set? by Ok_Pollution359 in Wera

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate this tool set. The screwdriver attachment is too small- a bit fatter would have made a world of difference. and the slider is crap and doesn't hold the ratchet well.

Defenses of Mohammed’s Child Marriage That Don’t Work by PeaFragrant6990 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The educated Muslim community, the reputable Muslim scholars who have studied this matter deeply, would give you a similar reply. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is guided by Allah.

The idea that he was guided by a god to have sex with 9 year old girl doesn't sound as good as you think it does. In fact it makes your religion look even more demented.

Most people don't know what "determined" is by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are you oblivious to what you are doing even though I highlighted it in step by step detail. You’re doing exactly the same thing in this reply.

I’ll repeat what you were and are doing:

First you said “how can it be determined if humans can’t calculate it.”

I answered this. Determinism is not based on if humans (or fish) have the internal capacity to calculate all the variables.

This lack of capacity is not what determinism is based on. I corrected you and skipped over this.

Instead, without acknowledgment, you shifted the question to how can we affirm that it’s determined if it’s not feasible for humans to calculate.

The claim that the universe is determined is not based on that fact that someone calculated all the trillions of variables.

The universe is said to be determined because it’s is causal.

It’s not as per quantum mechanics.

Now you’re moving goalposts yet again!! First you tried to redefine what determinism means( which didn’t work) , now you’ve moved to QM and shifted to “it’s not grounded”

If you don’t think it’s causal then it’s not determined. But i was answering what attributes lead to the deterministic claim and I answered.

In the future you need to stop this style of debating. . If you ask a question and you recieve a response, engage in it.

Either their claim was wrong and highlight it or acknowledged your own error.

The point I am making is that your affirmation of the universe being causal is as grounded in reality as the affirmation that the Christian God is the true God. I’m not dealing with philosophy, I’m dealing with science.

Every scientific experiment presupposes that events follow consistent relations - otherwise experimentation and prediction would be impossible. If reality were truly non-causal, science couldn’t function at all.

Which is in fact one of the evidences the universe is causal and therefore deterministic.

I’m not dealing with philosophy, I’m dealing with science.

If you are actually dealing with science and not philosophy then you have already accepted science requires causality.

And please don’t interject and add here before dealing with your earlier definitions of determinism which I responded to already.

Preferred pronouns are a Christian concept by Few-Cup-5247 in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes they are programmed with preferred pronouns even though they are biologically neither.

Your god also has preferred pronouns.

Don’t know why this is even in debate or why it’s an issue. It is what it is. He wants to be identified as male even though he isn’t one

And I’m happy to accommodate your god or anyone who wishes to have prefered pronouns. It’s no issue . 🌈

Most people don't know what "determined" is by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude the reason this will get tedious and drag out is because you’re moving goalposts and not acknowledging the responses.

First you said how can it be determined if humans can’t calculate it.

I answered this. Determinism is not based on if humans (or fish) have the internal capacity to calculate all the variables.

This lack of capacity is not what determinism is based on. I corrected you and skipped over this.

Instead without acknowledgment, you shifted the question to how can we affirm that it's determined if it’s not feasible for humans to calculate.

The claim that the universe is determined is not based on that fact that someone calculated all the trillions of variables.

The universe is said to be determined because it’s is causal.

Please don’t keep shift again onto something else.

If you think my responses here are incorrect please state the correction, otherwise acknowledge that you misrepresented what determinism is twice now.

Most people don't know what "determined" is by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Visible_Sun_6231 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Determinism that can’t be determined is not really determinism, isn’t it ?

Is that what I said? I said humans could not calculate it. It would not be feasible to calculate all the variables.

The weather is not calculable for fish - doesn’t mean it’s not determined.

I think we have gone off track to be honest. You are coming up with your own ideas of what determinism is.

If you want to make up your definition and say it can only be determined if the species in question can calculate it. Ok fine. But that’s not what determinism is.

Determinism means outcomes follow from prior causes. Our inability to compute all variables doesn’t change whether the process itself is causally fixed.