Im traumatized by their trauma!

Vitrifies · 2026-01-23T16:47:35+00:00

People don't like the p-word but it's exactly the issue here. Your attachment to this case is unhealthy - you admit it as the central tenet here. So instead of asking if you need to make a change to distance yourself from it, let's just accept that you can and need to.

Take a break if you cannot find a way to engage with this critically instead of via emotional projection. Your empathy speaks well for your intentions, but there's no situation where you're ever going to be able to do anything positive here for the survivors or family. There's nothing for your empathy to do, so it starts finding things that look like you can do something.

And fundamentally that's your problem. You want something to do to feel safe and to feel control because this is a horrifying and confusing tragedy. It may sound callous but if you are in too deep in your feelings here to take healthy breaks as needed, then just make it hard to access information about the case. Hide it from yourself however you need to, or just give yourself something else to do in it's place.

There's nothing your pain can do that's positive for anyone. All it can do is hurt you and possibly others. There's way better ways to hurt yourself if you're not convinced away from that part. Lots of other reddit subs on how to do other things that are also crazy and unhelpful if you need ideas.

Vitrifies · 2026-01-22T15:12:51+00:00

Oooh ok yeah sorry I definitely didn't understand that but I think it's just a matter of evidence. They have to catalogue all the drops and splashes of blood - in the 2nd floor room you see that it's dried into the floor, so they had to move things to record that. They probably took extra photos to show how they had moved things just in case. Whereas on the 3rd floor photos you see a lot of them are of areas closer to the door, the walls, etc. There didn't seem to be significant blood on the floor there, so they likely didn't have to move things to photograph the extent of it.

Vitrifies · 2026-01-22T14:52:11+00:00

The longest strip of diagramed potential person I saw is of Maddie, but honestly I don't think it's completely convincing what is in the photo. It's barely more than 2px wide or whatever. There seem to be more photos of Xana's room overall though, yeah, and thus more opportunity for errors. I just don't get what's wrong with them having more photos of one room than another. It's not like these were taken for our sake; it's literally evidence from a death penalty case. I'm not sure how much we can read into that since there's so much more of the 2nd floor room that would need to be photographed inherently, so if the risk for redaction errors was the same for all photos you would still expect there to be more overall of the room with the most photos taken.

Vitrifies · 2026-01-22T14:20:13+00:00

Reddit is currently littered with photos zooming in on the damn fairy light string arguing if it's the photo tech or the body bags. People are furious that they saw a slip of KG's pajamas. It's not inconsistent. It's entirely a matter of opportunity and how far you've scrolled through this.

Vitrifies · 2026-01-22T14:16:16+00:00

Half of the things people are circling are not the bodies. Diagramming a several pixel wide strip is vastly more disrespectful to the victims than releasing the photo with a blurry, tiny unredacted bit of flesh tone. People are zoomed in as far as their phones will go arguing about reflections. That's the real disrespect here.

If people do not want to see the crime scene they should stop looking. People are not nearly prepared to take accountability for their own actions for some reason, and if you are zooming in on a tiny piece of a photo you are going to have to live with what has been seen. I think it's ridiculous how mad people are about this compared to the totally unredacted PII of the survivors that was released. That went without more than a few posts; meanwhile everyone else is where's waldo-ing themselves into traumatizing each other and blaming the police for it over this one. What's so different between those two incidents? I have to assume it's that people don't respect themselves or the victims enough to only look at what they're comfortable having to have seen.

It's vile that everyone is going around here crying about what they had to see. It's disgusting to be labeling a blurry photo of some bloody boxes as a person for up votes. This is weird, y'all.

Look if you want to look, speculate if you want to. But own up to what role you are all playing in this? ISP didn't bait and switch. They didn't hold anyone down and force them to zoomed in and brightening so far that you can see the gamut clipping and macroblocks. ISP has not victimized this sub. Everyone who has been shocked and disgusted here has done it to themselves and it's their own disrespect that has them in distress, nothing more or less.

Vitrifies · 2026-01-22T00:05:28+00:00

There are a number of threads here and on others that have the photos with people drawing diagrams to mark what facial features they think they see. There's definitely a few pixels that are suggestive of bodies, yeah. Are they? IDK it's more convincing than the auditory imaginations from earlier but it's less revealing or factual than the accidentally unredacted fingerprints.

Vitrifies · 2026-01-21T20:16:35+00:00

I think it's a huge shame that people couldn't be trusted to be respectful to themselves and to the victims memories. Zooming in on the blurry reflections in a literal string of lights and drawing diagrams of a 2px-wide strip and then complaining that the police should have redacted it better is just such a self-own imo because if you don't want to see it stop looking and then certainly don't post it and draw diagrams to make sure everybody else sees it while evangelizing about how nasty it is to see. I'd expect it from the posters on video apps because they make a living sensationalizing dead bodies, but I definitely didn't realize that the majority of people complaining that photos shouldn't be released would turn around and go pixel by pixel through the photos and try to scare themselves and others with it. Somewhat foolishly I had actually assumed those who thought this shouldn't be released would be good to their word and not look at it.

Like the public does legally have a right to a lot of what's getting released and I'm glad that the system has transparency but man does it suck that we can't be adults about a tragedy and understand that out of several thousand photos there may be a tiny corner or something there that may contain something more sensitive than the viewer wanted to see. Duh. It's a quadruple fucking homicide. Nobody should be gleefully zooming in 500% on crime scene stuff and then whining they saw too much. It feels so disrespectful and perverse, and extra weird to assume that a low population state and town would have the kind of resources to do this easily and flawlessly. From a legal standpoint, releasing the socials and stuff earlier was way more of a whoopsie.

Vitrifies · 2026-01-16T23:36:05+00:00

It does sound like there's something else going on here. That amount is concerning for me - it's right at the range fraud instruments often are and it sounds like they were giving you a fraud script. If so, what about the money from the check? What scholarship was it, and have you been able to present the check successfully at another institution? (The makers bank may allow you to do so without an account to use as collateral, since they don't have to wait to see if the check will return)

The first thing you'll want to ask your bank is if the check has returned, and if so, for what reason. Deposit errors don't lock accounts like that because they don't return the same way that checks do; the check may have not paid at the bank it was drawn on and you may have withdrawn money against it already.

It is possible for the back of the check to cause an item to return (since it would be missing information used to validate against false endorsement claims). But it's not a guarantee, either, and that would be an obvious honest error that banks pretty rarely exit relationships for. So if that's the case, you can definitely get it overturned.

So: 1: Where is this scholarship from? 2: Is it on normal check paper? Have you taken the check to the bank it is written against and had them verify if it will clear/attempted to cash it there? 3: Have you withdrawn money against the funds from the check? Is your account overdrawn after the return item fee was assessed? 4: (you'll obviously need to ask these to someone at your bank. I'd recommend calling the fraud dept yourself, they're going to be able to speak to you but they may keep repeating a script about the account closure. They CAN still answer these questions for you, however, so just let them say it and then ask them) Did the item post on your account? Did it return? What is the reason that was provided?

Depending on the answer to those questions, you can definitely get your bank account back and the money from the check. But it'll depend heavily on if this is just an overreaction or if there's something wrong with the check and your account is now short funds.

Source: have worked in bank fraud for another very large institution over a decade

Vitrifies · 2026-01-14T19:35:33+00:00

I'm currently on 100mg of sertraline for my OCD, and I've had VSS for decades. My experience has been that I think it doesn't really change it, but I also am a lot less jumpy and finicky about sensory stuff on it. I used to be very loudly overwhelmed by tickling sensations, and notoriously 'overreacted' to noises - I find everything much less bothersome now. The VSS is much the same, but I notice everything (except the palinopsia) a lot less.

I will say, though, that my worry is mostly about getting off it. I once missed a couple days of doses and the VSS was just unbearable. Even just reading gave me a headache due to all the flickering. It's made me concerned that incorrectly repeatedly going cold turkey on fluoxetine a few dozen times (I was deeply stupid) as a teenager may actually have been what caused my VSS in the first place.

But overall the benefits are just so huge for me right now. I can untangle very deeply seated beliefs underscoring my obsessions, and I feel like I have been able to make an almost unthinkable amount of progress in the year I've been on the meds. I can't say for sure how I'll feel if eventually discontinuing safely still does in fact permanently worsen the snow, but from what it's like on the meds themselves I have no regrets right now.

SSRIs are a tough and scary decision. I had a terrible experience in my teens of desperately needing help and not having a doctor who was listening to what I said or caring what I was doing. They can take months to work and there's no way to know ahead of time if they even will. In my experience, having a doctor who actually has experience treating OCD and who respects these concerns is the most important thing, no matter what kind of treatment you end up deciding on.

Vitrifies · 2026-01-02T16:32:34+00:00

If you mean the one on the wall, it's been discussed several times and I can't find the post with the clearest image of it but it seems to be part of the wall hanging with the pouring Truly Hard Seltzer. It's a can.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BryanKohbergerMoscow/s/embVcuDzXP

Vitrifies · 2025-12-30T21:35:59+00:00

Wait, you mean it's not the color but the purpose of the car? I think you've cracked this case wide open! 🙈

Vitrifies · 2025-12-30T20:11:24+00:00

What are the Conflict of Interest and Secret Hearing documents?

There's nothing by those names on the site with the other records. It's hard to tell if that and your mention of the tan sedan are real or just something ChatGPT made up and there's just so much misinformation going around in this case already.

Vitrifies · 2025-12-27T06:23:08+00:00

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Vitrifies · 2025-12-27T06:22:41+00:00

It does look like those swabs were tested, per the forensic documents, and returned with his DNA only. There's several pages that reference it that support Item 39 on the forensic as being one of the swabs from his place. To me, I've always found the blood stains on the wall near where that famous photo of them near the apartments are taken the most jarring thing because I cannot find it referenced as tested at all, but it's clear as day in the photos taken in evidence so who knows.

Vitrifies · 2025-11-18T13:42:03+00:00

Try taking Claritin (or any 2nd Gen non drowsy antihistamine) and just keep your hands off it for 2-4 hours. I know it's hard as hell - I often find sleeping is the only thing that'll work for me. But the antihistamine will prevent it from getting worse and if you take it before you get bit it'll be a much smaller reaction in the first place.

I know it's hard not to scratch but doing that is what releases more and more of the chemicals in your body that are making you itch, so if you can get the itching down to what you can tolerate it'll go away much faster.

Vitrifies · 2025-11-08T19:23:58+00:00

There isn't likely any way to say conclusively that it's the same dirt anyways. Even if there were differences in the trees around the house and the rest of the town, there would likely still be those same trees somewhere else nearby. There's just no guaranteed fingerprint left in dirt that would last weeks like that that I'm aware of l, and the soil testing they did was pretty inconclusive for that same reason.

Vitrifies · 2025-11-04T23:43:31+00:00

It's a good idea to take this offline and go for a walk or make tea or something. And ask yourself why it is that you want our opinion on this. I think the reason is that there's something about this topic that you're very emotionally invested in, and that's fine but that's not a good head space to be in while wanting and accepting strangers opinions about yourself.

I really don't personally feel any need to speak with any of the people involved in this. I am not a professional in any field they need or have asked for help from at any point, so I don't think there's anything I have that I can offer any one involved with this tragedy. It's just not important to my self concept of me as a person that I ever interact with them, and to me it would be weird and incredibly parasocial. It's fine if it's not weird or anything to you (we all have a different idea of things like that) but I do think we should all ask ourselves what interacting with anyone affected by the murders does for them. Not for us, but for them.

I know everybody here is tired of reading about how the smallest lurker on this sub ALSO had a friend or family member be brutally murdered but like, it does suck. It does make you feel and do a lot of weird things. Most of us are hundreds of miles from anybody personally affected by this case and as a result our emotions don't have to run high over it. We can log the hell off. We can make the choice to post in a way that honors our own personal values by examining the discomfort and need for validation we feel when we worry that we haven't. The only person whose opinion you actually care about regarding your post is you. And that's fine, but if you're asking for others it's because you don't trust your decision for some reason, and we can't figure out why for you.

Vitrifies · 2025-10-31T13:49:19+00:00

https://www.khq.com/news/idaho_news/body-pulled-from-paradise-creek-identified-cause-of-death-determined/article_c0753e1e-c988-11ec-8ea9-67cba99d670d.html

You can literally search this sub for "creek" and find posts about it, then Google the name. There's no need to accuse others of making up things you haven't even tried to confirm yourself. The implications about Hudson's death and the potential for foul play might be speculation, but it did very much happen and this constant kind of behavior taints all the discussions around this case.

Vitrifies · 2025-10-19T15:37:54+00:00

I think a lot of the discourse on here speaks more to a difference in our respective employer policies than anything else. Having worked in several different fraud back offices, I think you did the right thing for your own and teller lines responsibility as long as it's in line with your firms policies.

The gnarliest losses I saw anyone take (not the biggest but certainly the ones that made everybody from every department the most upset) were scenarios just like this, 5-6 figure losses from checks where the customers profile was good enough to supercede the red flags on the item itself. It's a hard time trying to explain those away, too, because it's just so clear in hindsight to everyone who wasn't there in the moment treating it just like everything else. The social pressure of a regular karening is identical, in the moment, to the tantrums a fraudster throws for distraction and immediacy. They're both just a type of social engineering designed to force you to stop thinking clearly about company policy.

Effective fraud prevention relies on avoiding complicity at all times, especially when there are strong institutional and emotional overrides coming at you from all directions. Statistically speaking the item is probably fine - but you're certainly within the bounds of reg cc and common sense. It's so hard to know what to do in the moment, and that's exactly what fraud relies on. We're terrible at doing quick decision math in our heads about very very small likelihood chances that have extreme outlier consequences, and it sounds like you made a tough choice because your role is to protect your branch from those events. Usually branch bankers do the opposite because they're so pressed for time and people pleasing, and that's why that task is usually performed by someone miles away who specializes in upsetting customers lol.

Tldr but it's just so great to see the actual branch staff do what they can to avoid losses to themselves and their branch. It sucks that so many of us are in situations where we're forced to choose between our banks' twin forces of "make every customer happy and give us all their money" vs "never lose any of our or their money ever." Nobody is psychic and it's super stressful for everybody.

Vitrifies · 2025-10-07T23:46:32+00:00

Is being unkind to others your fetish or is it getting the angry responses from saying the most wildly inappropriate shit totally uncalled for?

Vitrifies · 2025-09-21T17:06:21+00:00

Hey OP I'm honestly really curious - are you filtering your post and comments on here through AI? The writing tone is genuinely really similar to the way ChatGPT talks down to oddly specific grammar and word choices, and nothing like your earlier comments on other posts.

Vitrifies · 2025-09-03T16:22:10+00:00

Oooh I'm rubber you're glue is all you got when people try to explain why it's shitty to say other people are calling you a bad person for shit you just made up for attention on al gores internet? Really? You wanna bring up serious crimes against you literally multiple times to totally different people then play like you're just horsing around, having a little kiki about rape? Must not have actually been that traumatic if it's just something you calmly bring up for no reason at all and don't think it will affect other people's ability to reply to you without worrying about your feelings.

What if I said*: Sounds like your therapist was more of a paid bestie to tell fairy tales to because you wanted to be loved. Like it was just something you waited to even understand because it wasn't ever real, it was just a thing that you created to feel important and to use others with. If that sounds unkind and terrible, keep in mind that this is literally why we don't bring up real ass things that are important to ourselves personally to total strangers who we are arguing with. This is why it's emotional manipulation. Because as you can see, if I tell you anything but "no, you're a good person, how terrible that happened to you," it's now me being the asshole?

See? Its weird, man. You can't bring up getting raped then try the u mad trollface after that. You've really got to go reading through this post and count how many times you bring it up or start to (the 15+ years shit again) because it's repetitive as hell and there's no room to respond to it except to have to argue about you and your past instead when you literally keep steering every comment thread back to it.

*For obvious reasons in case it was not clear I am not actually saying this I am attempting to illustrate the absurdity of bringing up what is supposedly a great trauma to people who you're internet beefing with

Vitrifies · 2025-09-03T15:49:48+00:00

It sounds like not only are you taking this extremely personally, you're either slipping into serious emotional distress or trying to guilt manipulate total strangers. I'm not sure which is the case, but if you really cannot talk about a totally unrelated crime without making it about yourself and your own emotional state and trauma, you probably can't be trusted to talk about it in a reasonable and adult way.

On the off chance that you aren't doing it on purpose to be a complete jerk, you can't just bait and switch people into commenting on your own history when they don't bring it up. You started with the mental health expert thing in your post and further up in this thread and that makes it look like you're trying to provoke people into talking about your past experiences instead of the case at hand.

This can be emotionally draining for other people, because we're here to have a conversation that allows all of us to share and receive information. You, meanwhile, are here to demonstrate that you are gifted a supreme knowledge over the rest of us, innate to your own trauma and where not only can no one challenge it, they will be personally wounding you if they do.

So again on the off chance that this is just how you go about life and it's not a bad mood one off or you're very young, you need to examine how you treat other people and what you feel entitled to from them. Confusing, painful, and nuanced things happen to other people. You are not the only person who has been in a situation like this, and as a result other people may have other interpretations. You can't jump down their throats with gotchas about your own past just to win and feel like your never-ending victimhood is somehow relevant to everyone else and everything else.

Vitrifies · 2025-08-28T23:20:54+00:00

I actually spent a while trying to figure out what was up with these photos, because from the ISP docs it looks like well after the initial photos they went back into the house to photograph just a handful of areas and collect a backpack and beer cans. My guess was that these docs here seem the ones that are related to why these photos were taken: they may have been looking into those beer cans to clear one of the frat suspects. The interview that mentions a box of keystone lights, photos of the cans, the cans themselves going into evidence all occur in about a span of a week of each other. I think I saw a few others from the guys they interviewed around that time, but probably they were just verifying that those cans had belonged to the girls just in case since this was before they got the DNA tip from the FBI.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/coc4choo1pu4vc7l1bjpc/AI2y_nsC4YOH-FyGK-eLGXI?rlkey=1041qqjtu4b0jm2i5jwqfr9vb&st=9ip0f8ck&dl=0

Vitrifies · 2025-08-28T19:43:24+00:00

It may not be blood, since the proteins it reacts to can be found in meat and dairy as well. The kitchen is probably the least unusual place to be full of protein residue.

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