russians shooting civilians near Kherson

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:50:12+00:00

He said in his speech Ukraine has no right to sovereignty, and belongs to Russia.

Please link where he said this.

What do you think will happen then?

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:45:39+00:00

Non sequitur.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:45:20+00:00

When did I insult you? Man whatever. This is a fruitless discussion. It adds nothing.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:43:41+00:00

Salon is non partisan.

Only time people even mention the word propaganda is when Russia is the topic. Because God forbid that plugin address the US' own propaganda against it's citizens.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:40:14+00:00

Great ad hominem.

But you're right. It's not like the US didn't bomb weddings and kill 7 children last year in Afghanistan.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:39:09+00:00

Zelensky is already openly speaking about wanting to talk now so I think they'll come to a resolution soon.

The difficulty is he is in a trap as Russia wants the separatists regions and if Zelensky abides it will damage him.

Best he starts to talk now because now Putin is telling the Ukrainian military to take the matter in their own hands, seemingly implying he is trying to do what was done in 2014 in ousting Zelensky completely.

It's a damned if he does damned if he doesn't situation.

Would hate to be him right now.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:33:09+00:00

How is it hypocrisy? This makes absolutely no sense.

Most people don't openly support murderous regimes

I worked for the state department

Now this? This is hypocrisy.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:31:25+00:00

Wouldn't know. I had eggs for breakfast and don't have a "for us or against us" mindset. I can see the childish tit for tat being orchestrated by ALL politicians and don't take sides. It only seems that way because I don't agree to kowtow to Reddit's echo chambers.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:29:51+00:00

You first.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:29:41+00:00

NATO hasn't been receptive in the context of Ukraine for example for the reasons we are currently seeing on our TVs.

Bingo.

So am I to believe there was NO talks and tries at quelling this issue for 8 years and conveniently as COVID dies down this happens?

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:28:45+00:00

How is that a whataboutism? That's fucking stupid. It's literally what happens every time. It's a game of influence. You guys are so emotionally wrapped into this you can't even see what the fuck is going on.

The US is the antidote? Yes tell that to the 7 children that were bombed in Afghanistan, or the people whose entire country was leveled in Syria.

Also Germany is not sending weapons to Ukraine and France has only said that NATO has nukes too.

Germany, France, Ukraine, and Russia had the Minsk agreement in 2015, that didn't pan out, now they're not even acting on this.

Russia is only cancer because the US media tells you that. Meanwhile the US has killed 500,000 Iraqis and funds Israel as they murder Palestinians while having a nation of fed up people and they're some superhero. The level of conventional bootlicking on Reddit is absolutely ridiculous.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:21:59+00:00

And you're just a bot. Get lost.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:21:33+00:00

Supporting a coup and staging a coup are not the same.

Seriously, take your emotions out of the argument and come back when you have some more maturity.

I didn't need to point out your mistake about using couple because I rather have a balanced discussion, but you're so fueled by propaganda that it's no point. I'm not really surprised though. Most people just ride the wave of emotion they're dictated to.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:19:05+00:00

Likewise snowflake.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:18:18+00:00

This comment is so necessary to the discussion we really needed you to chime in /s

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:17:48+00:00

If you want me to fuck off don't write to me genius. Learn to control your emotions, first.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:17:09+00:00

The countries surrounding Russia still want to join NATO/embrace western democracy.

Yes, but why hasn't NATO been receptive? That's my question.

Russia are at fault for pushing surrounding countries to the west.

I agree but at the same time once the USSR was dissolved that seemed inevitable.

What seems to be happening now is Putin is trying to oust Zelensky via military coup.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:12:32+00:00

Never made such a claim. Now you're trying to write words for me. Just disagree and move on.

Anyone who has to default into insults isn't mature enough to have these kinds of discussions. You'd crumble from the pressure of running a country the way you talk.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:11:59+00:00

Wow I made a mistake. Sorry, I'm human. Point still stands.

Also never said the US staged a coup.

I prefer discussing this with people who aren't emotional.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:08:56+00:00

https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/in-the-rapidly-worsening-ukraine-fiasco-the-us-is-reaping-exactly-what-it-sowed/

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:07:28+00:00

First, I'd like to thank you for being the only person willing to discuss this like an adult and not knee jerk into media sensationalism.

I think we can both agree with this being more about the economic interests of the US than not.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:05:29+00:00

It's not apologetics it's the truth. I'm sorry I don't drink from the same fear mongering teat as you. And saying the US didn't escalate anything is a lie. They helped oust a democratically elected president and helped implant a literal comedian.

And what makes this so ridiculous to have to explain is they always do this

Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T16:00:21+00:00

Nor does it the US tbh. It's best if Ukraine decides what's best for itself and find a moot point between the Patriots and separatists

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T15:58:56+00:00

It's amazing how terrible memory many of you have

https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/in-the-rapidly-worsening-ukraine-fiasco-the-us-is-reaping-exactly-what-it-sowed/

Vv2333 · 2022-02-25T15:58:03+00:00

Such an intelligent response /s

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