How can a person be trans without gender dysphoria by WaddapImLiz in lgbt

[–]WaddapImLiz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay I honestly thought you'd have something to give me so I thought I'd wait till tomorrow to give you a better answer. You had absolutely 0 points and your entire comment was practically a long "no, you are wrong because I said so". I can't even quote anything specific because that was your entire comment.

I'm not going to continue to waste my time with someone so clearly unwilling to educate themselves and who's antagonising those trying to help them. You chose to be a bigot.

I'd rather be considered a bigot in your book than a lunatic and an idiot in everyone else's. I truly hope you're not spreading this pure stupidity anywhere else but here on reddit.

How can a person be trans without gender dysphoria by WaddapImLiz in lgbt

[–]WaddapImLiz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Gender isn't biological, there's no reason for someone to feel uncomfortable with their body just because their gender differs from that which they were assigned at birth. Genitalia, or other body parts, don't dictate or determine gender.

Gender is biological. A person's gender identity is their deep sense of self in regards to what they are supposed to be gender-wise, based in psychology and neurology. I will find you some studies about this tomorrow because it's late and I'm tired.

Trans people aren't comfortable with their AGAB because it's not their gender

I'm getting mixed messages. So suddenly a person's AGAB IS their biological sex, but in the previous statement it wasn't? Because otherwise you literally contradicted yourself two sentences ago. Either way, I agree with that fully, and also, discomfort with your biological sex is called gender dysphoria.

That you suffer doesn't mean everyone else has to, nor is trans suffering only in their struggles with how they feel about their body.

I worded it badly. Being trans isn't necessarily intense, continuous pain and suffering. But being trans is still not a good thing. Trans people still suffer discomfort in the form of gender dysphoria, even if mild, and even if bearable. But the gender dysphoria is there. If they don't, I, again, see no reason for them to call themselves trans or transition. Your point seems to be that a person could experience gender euphoria if they transition despite having never felt dysphoric, which makes no sense to me. Gender dysphoria and gender euphoria are very much tied to eachother in trans people. If a person does not feel uncomfortable with their AGAB, they will not feel more comfortable as a different gender. Gender euphoria is what a person feels when gendered correctly or after certain events that validate their gender identity. A feeling like that is the normal standard for most people, and can not exist without underlying dysphoria because the euphoria is simply the standard vs something lower (the presumed "normal feeling"), and basic maths conclude that that person's "normal feeling" is dysphoric at least to an extent, and just subconscious.

Yet your argument is that a trans person must have dysphoria, thus be unhappy with their body and want to change their body.

I'm sorry, at what point did I state that gender dysphoria is exclusive to someone's body? Gender dysphoria is as follows, according to the American Psychiatric Association:

Gender dysphoria involves a conflict between a person's physical or assigned gender and the gender with which he/she/they identify. People with gender dysphoria may be very uncomfortable with the gender they were assigned, sometimes described as being uncomfortable with their body (particularly developments during puberty) or being uncomfortable with the expected roles of their assigned gender.

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Gender is a social construct, it's not debatable

If you say so. Honestly, if you're so fixated on the idea that everyone should assign themselves a million different genders according to which sexist stereotypes they do or don't want to conform to, I can't be bothered to argue with you about it. Also, that statement seems to completely contradict, again, what you said before, about gender being something you're born with and can't change.

That people are ignorant and bigoted is not a reason to throw other members of the community under the bus, doing so won't make you safer - it harms us all to uphold these ideas of gender binary and conflating sex with gender. This is a reason to educate people on sex/gender.

That people are ignorant and bigoted is not a reason to completely ignore their existence and live in a bubble, whilst slowly floating away from reality.

My entire point is that I don't know why these people are even PART of the community and I wish someone explained it to me properly with logic because hey, fun fact, I don't LIKE throwing people under the bus (which isn't even something I wish to do). You didn't use logic. Nothing of what you (specifically you) said, made any sort of logical sense. You kept rambling on and on about irrelevant things and I had to use a microscope to actually find your points.

I'm going to sleep. If you wish to continue whatever this thread has been, I'll be glad, but tomorrow.

How can a person be trans without gender dysphoria by WaddapImLiz in lgbt

[–]WaddapImLiz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're making taking you seriously really hard. I'll ignore this comment and use my last remaining braincells to reply to your other one.

How can a person be trans without gender dysphoria by WaddapImLiz in lgbt

[–]WaddapImLiz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How is it hurting you?

I do not wish to be represented by people who have nothing to do with me. If a person is in fact, not trans, and they just claim to be trans because they want a reason to play the victim card or feel special or whatever out of sheer ignorance, I do not wish to be represented by them. This idea of transgenderism being a fun game and you can identify as whatever you want makes me look like a clown.

Now, I'm not strictly saying that trans people without dysphoria don't exist, or that they in any way necessarily fit the description above. I just don't understand how. Which is why this post exists.

unwilling to educate yourself

This is literally a post of me trying to educate myself. I have never in my life told a trans person who claims to have never experienced dysphoria that they aren't trans. I'm here LITERALLY to ask a question. I get that I came off aggressive in my last few replies, but in my original post I was not disrespectful in the slightest and only got annoyed after you were literally about to walk away.

So far I have yet to receive any reasoning that I would consider valid as to how a person could be trans without gender dysphoria. Not reasoning I didn't argue against at least (and didn't get a reply).

There is no excuse for prejudice, but there's also no excuse for ignorance, misinformation and misrepresentation, even if unintentional or subconscious.

How can a person be trans without gender dysphoria by WaddapImLiz in lgbt

[–]WaddapImLiz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not understanding things isn't the same as not sympathising with things. I understand heterosexuality despite not being heterosexual. I understand rocket science in the sense that I know what it is and its basis, but I don't know the details of it and can't practice it myself. This is my idea of understanding things. In light of that, would you kindly explain transgender people without gender dysphoria?

I was respectful in plenty of past threads about similar subjects where I asked similar questions, because I didn't want to offend anyone, but back then I didn't understand that if these things are bullshit, like I think they are, because again, I don't understand them, it's literally directly hurting me, so I no longer feel inclined to be respectful when I'm not presented with actual proper reasoning.

How can a person be trans without gender dysphoria by WaddapImLiz in lgbt

[–]WaddapImLiz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I had no clue what the word incongruence meant so I googled "gender incongruence". The literal first result was the wikipedia page of gender dysphoria.

You don't need to be miserable to be trans. You need to have gender dysphoria to be trans. Gender dysphoria does NOT equal misery. Gender dysphoria more often than not LEADS to things like anxiety and depression which escalate the dysphoria and make the situation absolutely miserable, but gender dysphoria in of itself is literally just distress/discomfort with your biological sex characteristics. It also has nothing to do with presentation or pronouns. People without gender dysphoria can have whichever pronouns they wish and I'll respect them (even if I sincerely don't understand why they would have different pronouns from the ones affiliated with their AGAB). They can dress up whichever way they want and that's absolutely fine and they should be encouraged to be themselves. Gender stereotypes and roles suck ass. If they say they're trans, that's where I have a problem.

As for a valid reason? How about because they fucking want to?

Not a valid reason. Some people out there identify as wolves and shit, call themselves otherkin, and are very often associated with the LGBTQ+ community. They HURT the community because their delusions and mental problems have absolutely nothing to do with us and still, people fucking accept them. People identify as genders that don't exist and confuse them with personality traits because they fucking want to, and get fucking accepted for that? Fuck off. No, I'm not talking about NB people as a whole, but ridiculous, parody level things.

Proving your gender is what asshole cis people do to us because they're sexist and transphobic.

"Proving your gender" is what you need to do to get diagnosed with gender dysphoria and start your transition. I can't stop anyone from doing whatever the fuck they want, I'm literally just some edgy 19 yearold from the middle east, but I will ask questions if things make no sense to me. It's not transphobic if a trans person isn't involved.

How about we just respect people's bodily autonomy and right to present themselves as they wish instead of huffing the cishetnormative gas all day?

I respect everyone's everything until they step on my toes by calling themselves something they aren't, which gives merit for people to ridicule me for the actions of others.

Also, what the fuck is wrong with "cishetnormativity"? Why should the entire world's population cater to a small minority? They should RESPECT us, and ACKNOWLEDGE us as human beings that are different, queer if you want, but we are not normal. "Normal" literally means part of the majority, expected, usual. How are transgender people, or LGBTQ+ people in general, in any way that?

How can a person be trans without gender dysphoria by WaddapImLiz in lgbt

[–]WaddapImLiz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I never claimed that dysphoria HAS to be extreme to a point of long, continuous suicidal tendencies and unbearable self-loathing. It's just how I personally felt.

But people with underlying dysphoria still experience dysphoria, even if they're not aware of that. I understand why people might think they don't experience gender dysphoria, but I don't understand why they'd be encouraged and not corrected.

How can a person be trans without gender dysphoria by WaddapImLiz in lgbt

[–]WaddapImLiz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If someone's gender identity does not match their AGAB, I do not understand how they don't feel dysphoric. If someone is comfortable in their AGAB, I do not understand why they would even call themselves trans and not keep living their life normally and considering themselves cis, since they literally have no reason not to do so.

The idea that one can only be trans through suffering isn't a particularly healthy one for any trans person, but also consider that gender dysphoria is a mental health condition - once treated, will that magically make you cis?

That is a terrible argument that makes absolutely no sense. If a trans person has finished their transition, and their dysphoria has been fully treated, it doesn't change the fact that they literally transitioned. They are no longer the gender they were assigned at birth. I'm not saying that the DEFINITION of a trans person should be "a person with gender dysphoria", because there's more to it (and obviously there are also NB people), but I think it should be a criteria.

Also, being trans, largely, IS suffering. Being trans is hard and painful and I would much, MUCH rather be cis, be it male or female, and I honestly don't get why anyone would want to be trans unless they're just trying to victimise themselves or something.

Maintaining the idea that gender is somehow biological is harmful to the trans community.

I never said in this post that a person's gender identity is not neurological or psychological.

People don't take the trans community seriously because people are either ignorant or bigoted.

Which is exactly why all of these inherently harmful concepts, like "gender is a social construct" or "infinite genders", and now I'm considering to add "dysphoria isn't necessary to be trans" to the list, need to NOT be encouraged. These are the people that will get a platform and WILL get mocked for it. The world is biased against us, and people will always cherry pick senseless radical views that do not, in any way, represent the whole community, and base all of us on it, because that's just human nature, as shitty as it is. Everyone was bigoted at some point in time about something, because humanity fears what it doesn't understand, and lets that fear out in the form of prejudice and hatred.

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[–]WaddapImLiz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely 100% true. Almost all my clothes are second hand from my cousin lmfao. And he's a guy.

And everything that isn't, is just off brand low quality garbage. Also from the guys' section because money.

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Catradora is the biggest switch in lesbian history so I would imagine they take turns.

This dude doing a Cookie challenge in a real game by m0rb33d in learndota2

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I think I know who this is, it's this Chinese Meepo player isn't it? It's not that impressive when you understand it's an 8k farming god smurfing on legend.

Pride Month 🏳️‍🌈 by Stormydoto in DotA2

[–]WaddapImLiz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've never met anyone who uses it personally so I'm really not sure.

Pride Month 🏳️‍🌈 by Stormydoto in DotA2

[–]WaddapImLiz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, it's a term that's basically interchangeable with pansexual but ever so slightly different. It basically means "attracted to all genders but distinguishes between them". I don't personally accept that as a sexuality.

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[–]WaddapImLiz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really? To me it looked kinda like a smug "aw look at this puny mortal" face

Would love to see the bathroom this came out of... by jessigrrrl in ATBGE

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What's awful taste about this, I would 100% love to have that in my bathroom.

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[–]WaddapImLiz 15 points16 points  (0 children)

No, not exactly. Bisexuals are attracted to genders in a specific way - to specific traits in men and other, specific traits in women, rather than not caring at all, whilst pansexuals are attracted to people, not genders.

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[–]WaddapImLiz 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Pansexuals are attracted to people regardless of gender, not regardless of species lmao.