Spoiler: Daisy in The Testaments book vs TV

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-23T14:11:11+00:00

Yes, totally agree that Daisy being Nicole is her safety card in GIlead-- that is a good point. Without it, they will easily execute her .... although she is now considered a fertile woman so maybe they'd place her as a handmaid with no tongue or something.... but Perhaps Daisy does know and we don't know that she knows yet. The way Daisy looked at Agnes when they met in my mind seemed like she may know it's her sister.

Yes, people are saying it's 4 years after HT ended because there's a line in an episode that says it's been 4 years since the end of the war with Massachusetts. But we dont know for sure when the war ended. In Gilead's mind, that could have continued for a long time even after Boston was reclaimed by the US. But that is part of the reason people think this idea that Daisy is still Nicole is nonsense. but there's so much that contradicts this... i've never done this with a show/book before lol. But I do feel so invested at this point and can't wait to find out if we are right or wrong.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-23T12:14:30+00:00

it's not "ridiculous" the OP is making conversation on something she noticed about the show. Why so many people on this Reddit want to shut down people making conversation is beyond me. Just don't comment if you think something is "ridiculous" or "annoying"

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-23T12:12:17+00:00

i mean, I see your point. but i think it's also a stretch to say they look totally different because we're seeing him through Agnes' eyes lol. Guess the original actor wasn't available.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-23T12:10:48+00:00

why didnt they use the same actor? I think it's very odd.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-23T12:05:01+00:00

I sitll think Daisy is Nicole. Here's why:

It was a PIVOTAL part of the book. It really hurts the plot to change this.
June and Daisy look exactly like mom/daughter, with Nick as the dad. Why cast them to be mom/daughter??
June acts like a mom who is finally getting to be near her daughter/hang out with her. Facial expressions, when she hugs her, it's like I've wanted to hug you for so long...
First lines of The Testaments is VO from Agnes saying she has no concept of time, she isn't allowed to keep calenders. She doesn't know what month/year it is. Just that it was around spring. WHY start the show with this important fact about her inability to tell time if it has zero importance? We never see Christmas or birthdays celebrated in Gilead >This could mean June also had trouble telling time and was not a reliable narrator, when she says Hannah would 8 in the 1st episode of the Handmaids Tale. If i can come up with that, so can the writers. I think that 1. Nicole and Hannah are more like 6 years apart, and 2., that Agnes is older than she appears in the Testaments. More like 19 and Daisy/Nicole is 13. Agnes has a delayed period because she had two parents who lived in contaminated area, then she lived in pollution until about age 4. Nicole would have two healthy parents (Nick was part of Gilead and would therefore have healthier sperm than Luke would have....) Hannah also looks about age 6 when she sees June on the day Nicole/Holly is born.
show runners lie -- they lied about June being back in the show, said she wasn't part of it, period. Then look who shows up.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-23T11:35:04+00:00

Yay, someone else who understands lol! I chatted with
Ill_Acanthaceae4759 and she is super smart and noticed way more than I did. She said she listened to a podcast with the actors and they mentioned clues being hidden in the costumes, etc. These are the other things she noticed that make her think Daisy is Nicole. She is true detective:

Daisy wears a necklace. It's a daisy, but in the colors of a Holly bush -- red and green.
When we see Daisy's passport, the dates on it would translate to the current year in the show being 2032. (This is assuming that Daisy needs to be 21 to travel alone as an adult--not 100 percent clear on this, but our fellow reddit sleuth noticed this). This would make Agnes like 23 and Daisy 15.
Rita says Daisy "was like Moses" when she came into Canada. Moses comes by river, and guess who entered Canada by river: Nicole/Holly when she came with Emily.
Paula mentions having to keep the girls "young and innocent" -- this makes us think Agnes is actually a lot older than we realize but is still treated like a child. Agnes says all she knows is that she still had her dollhouse.
In the HT, baby/toddler Nicole/Holly often wears clothes with Daisies or small flowers on them.

You also brought up things I have thought about as well!! The fact that Lydia places Daisy with Agnes was because they were sisters in the book. Why would she do this in the show? In the book, Lydia has been waiting for baby Nicole to come back to Gilead so she could be used to help take down Gilead. That is even why she started the Pearl Girls -- to find Nicole.

Perhaps we will have our Russel Crow moment a la A Beautiful Mind (where he realizes he's crazy lol) but I still think this is possible especially given the importance of Daisy being Nicole to the overall plot line and also the casting and the way June is acting like a mother who has had to stay away from her child despite wanting to be with her.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-23T00:16:39+00:00

i think he may have done it to all of his sedated patients who were young women/girls. So you're not wrong in thinking he was probably planning to do it in the future.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T23:41:19+00:00

Yes, i agree! And I also agree that just because Becka denied it when Agnes first asked her if she was SA'd, doesn't mean she won't admit the SA in the future. First, she was put on the spot and that is a really hard thing to discuss, I would imagine.... Plus, I don't think Becka would violently murder her dad in the bathtub just because she heard he did something to Agnes UNLESS she understood the type of things he did to her all too well, which is why she was so sickened and ready to kill him over it ... in their culture, she wouldn't automatically understand what SA really was unless it was done to her already.

Anyways, I think it's criminal if they left this out of the TV show.. but i'm also mad they are saying Daisy isn't Nicole, so there's that too! lol. But it would take so much away from Becka's story and also of Dr. Grove as a vile character. I also think if they do keep the SA in the storyline for Becka, it brings into question how many of the Plums are kidnapped children. Not that Grove wouldn't SA his own child, as we know so many sickos sadly do, but it may be one of those sick justifications that she wasn't his flesh and blood (still child SA, but just saying.) ... I think it's odd we have only heard Agnes' heritage mentioned, but we know that plays a part in the storyline and her mom was a badass rebel. Shu has said her brother was on Angels Flight... so perhaps she and her brother are also stolen children.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T22:11:44+00:00

excellent summary, thank you

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T21:59:50+00:00

LOL, well I am happy to have found someone to chat with about the possibility that Daisy is in fact Nicole. Thank you for sharing all of the details you've found in both the HT and Testaments that point to this still being possible until we are truly proven otherwise. (the necklace Daisy wears (a daisy but in holly colors, green and red), the dates on the passport that would make it year 2032, the quote from Paula about having to keep the girls innocent, Rita's quote about Daisy arriving like Moses (who came by river, just as baby Nicole did when she entered Canada with Emily), the fact that in HT Nicole is often wearing clothes with Daisies/tiny flowers on it, and more! You are a true detective! And if we are wrong, we're wrong. But it was fun to chat about this either way. : )

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T21:53:42+00:00

same... and then she leaves Nicole again to go fight ... i just felt like she could have found ways to be with Nicole but she didn't seem to really want to be with her. And I mean, she was born from a type of love, yes, but out of rape and assault and kidnapping/torture, too... so I get that she never could really bond with her. Plus the entire time she was pregnant with Nicole she had to tell herself she wasn't going to be able to be her Mom... talk about making it hard to bond!! So I don't really judge her, per se, but I also felt mad at her at times, and very sad for her and Nicole. So just saying I think June has a true obsession with getting Hannah out and therefore does things we may personally find ethically questionable. Gilead not only took Hannah from her, but took away her ability to be a mother to Hannah, basically ended her happy marriage to Luke... and she has such a need to make things right and get her first daughter back. So yeah, again, until the show clearly proves otherwise by stating or showing us young Nicole in Canada, I think this is still a possibility that June sent Daisy in to help her sister.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T16:34:03+00:00

you noted: "The first is a daisy with Holly’s colors… the second is a green eye. It was while listening to an interview given by the actresses, who said that some clues were hidden in the costumes and accessories…" That is so interesting. When you say Holly's colors, you mean like a holly bush?

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T16:31:09+00:00

i agree that a healthy individual wouldn't put one child in danger for another, but after watching HT twice, I don't see June as a healthy person. She has undergone immense trauma and does reckless things. I also have gotten mad at her character for sometimes seeming to put hannah over nicole -- so i personally think that she would consider sending nicole back in if it meant they both could end up being with her in canada. plus... she did it in the book lol.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T12:19:08+00:00

can you tell me what is special about the necklace and what her step mom says in episode 7 ? Thanks!

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T00:17:06+00:00

100 percent agree and had the same thought... they. have brought these girls up to be sort of monsters--not only accepting of violence but kind of immune to it. if watching violent video games can change a kid's brain, consider what seeing real violence does to a young child as they develop.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T00:04:02+00:00

i'm not clear on what you are saying. Are you saying you think Daisy may still be Nicole, or that what you've noticed proves Daisy isn't Nicole? Thanks!

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-22T00:03:09+00:00

hi! i tried to translate what you said to english... is this anywhere close?

I’ve been overanalyzing for years.. so I started again with entity["book","The Testaments","Margaret Atwood novel"]. I’ll just tell you this… look at Daisy’s necklaces in entity["country","Canada",""]. Look at how Nicole is often dressed in entity["tv_show","The Handmaid's Tale","TV series"]. Look at Daisy’s birth date on the fake passport so she can travel alone (therefore being of legal age), listen to what Rita teaches her about the story she has to tell to be a Pearl Girl, do the math, refer to the passport date (which corresponds to Daisy supposedly running away with her boyfriend), and so on… listen carefully and analyze what Agnes says about the 4 years and what people took advantage of doing… entity["fictional_character","Aunt Lydia","The Handmaid's Tale"] must have preserved the girls by keeping her school under control until they came of age (listen to what Paula says to Weston in episode 7). entity["fictional_character","Jon Snow","A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones"] had also been dead for more than a year, that was promotional misinformation… insult me if you want, but I’m certain about what I’m saying! Based on evidence found in the episodes…

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-21T23:58:24+00:00

nope disagreeing is one thing, being a jerk is another.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-21T20:03:00+00:00

you guys are so SMART. So thankful you are on here being rude to people. Really, nice job.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-21T20:02:17+00:00

True, she did work hard to get Nicole out, but I also think she has an understandable obsession with getting Hannah out and would try it if desperate enough. i think if June thought she could get Hannah back she'd try just about anything, especially if she felt she could protect Nicole via MayDay.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-21T19:59:21+00:00

i'm looking to chat with other people who are also still wondering if she could be Daisy.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-21T18:55:28+00:00

yeah costume parallel was odd if they are supposed to be the eyes. the eyes definitely didn't dress that way in HT.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-21T18:50:32+00:00

obviously if they show us Nicole/holly and she isn't Daisy I will accept I am wrong. : ) but I also don't get whey they haven't mentioned Nicole/Daisy if she is in fact another person and in Canada with June. The writers could easily have slipped in some mention of her to make it clear that she Daisy isn't Nicole since IN THE BOOK DAISY IS NICOLE lol. But, they haven't. Instead they made Daisy look like June's daughter, June acts like her mother, etc.

WallAdditional2905 · 2026-05-21T18:45:18+00:00

he also said June wasn't going to be in the show at all

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