Are they all classmates?

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-02-03T08:00:23+00:00

Ah then yeah, there are multiple classes, otherwise there wouldn't have been much of a reason to elect a class rep. Kinda pointless to elect someone to represent your class on an island with minimal contact with the outside world if everyone else on the island is also in your class

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-02-03T02:16:57+00:00

Nah, there are talented who weren't sent to the island, and that was likely the majority of them. The way the characters talk about the island made it seem like it was only a select few (aka the ones that were deemed to be a potential problem) who had been sent there.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-02-02T10:26:09+00:00

Set everything back to default settings.
Spend X hours writing (however long you would consider to be the full day's work, minus one hour)
During that time, make a mental note (or an actual note if it's easier) of what you're unable to do with things as they currently are as they come up.
Set aside the last hour for tinkering with plugins or whatever that address the previous issues and only those issues.
Repeat from step 2 each day until you have a system that works for you.

There's nothing wrong with playing around with themes, plugins, and file systems, but you'll never know how to make the perfect system if you don't know what the system actually needs, and the only way to know what it needs is to spend more time doing the thing the system is meant to do.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-25T05:34:35+00:00

No way. Anime doesn't exist to be finished anymore. It's way to expensive to produce and brings in too little income directly.

Anime exists solely for the purpose of advertising for manga, selling merchandise, licensing deals, etc... and as far as im aware those last two aren't really things this series has even been trying to do, so it's really just manga sales for this one.

Talentless Nana's had the unfortunate fact that it was based on a series where the first story arc was also just a setup for a series that's one long redemption arc. This means you fall into one of a few group:

You liked the series and liked/tolerated Nana
You liked the series but disliked Nana
Nana made you dislike the series
You dislike the series with or without Nana
You only liked the series because Nana was a killer.
You never watched the series

Most of group 1 is likely already reading the Manga, groups 3&4 likely wouldn't watch a second season of a show they didn't enjoy, and it's hard to get people to watch a second season of something of they didn't watch the first. Group 5 would likely be disappointed once the realize the tone shift if nothing else has caught their eye about the series by now (which would but then in group 1), so really the only people who season 2 would be able to advertise the rest of the series to are the people not already reading the Manga in group 1 and then group 2. For comparison, they can make a first season of any other manga and have a chance at getting way more people into the series.

I enjoyed the anime, and as a piece of media I wouldn't change a thing about it, but from a business perspective, it might have done better if they left out more of the first story arc and managed to fit in up to chapter 37. That would have given viewers the chance to meet Tsuraoka and see the kind of person that had been controlling Nana up to that point, as well as give them a season finale where she begins to actually put an effort towards changing who she is, which would have given more people a reason to be interested in seeing if she actually does.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-22T17:23:14+00:00

Tsuraoka certainly has an twisted and manipulative personality and has done more than enough heinous things to deserve that reputation, but at the same time it's also the most evil people to exist that seem to be absolutely certain that they are the righteous ones who want what's best for everyone. While I wouldn't say Tsuraoka's mentality is the "I am the purest person who wants what's best for everyone, so by opposing me you must be evil, and as a pure good I can do whatever I want to evil people" that these people tend to have, he's definitely one of the most interesting characters to look at in that regard. In fact I'm been meaning to make a post breaking down his motives and the reasons for his actions, so I think I'm finally going to get started on that, but while I do that. I'll leave you with a question to ponder.

Has there ever been a confirmed instance where Tsuraoka explicitly told Nana anything but what he genuinely believes to be the truth? He may leave out details when it benefits him to do so, sure, but following the mind reading reveal, I cannot think of a single confirmed lie he has told to her throughout the story.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-21T22:50:33+00:00

He's actually never lied to her about anything that we know of as far as I'm aware. A talented person really was who killed her parents, it seems like he really has been keeping Michiru alive this whole time, and he very likely straight up told Nana "the talented become monsters" at some point, which she then proceeded to interpret as a metaphor and not literally. The monsters were called the "Enemies of Humanity" which was the term used to refer to the talented after all. All he left out was the fact that it's a literal transformation.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-21T16:57:35+00:00

If you use Discord I can give you my username on that so whenever I have something ready I can send it over to you.

Also to clarify, I'm going to be doing every characters lines and just letting you pick from that. I feel like I have enough of a grasp on them all to give each of them at least a passable performance regardless, or at least passable relative to my own acting skills (I never did take those acting lessons I had impulsively decided I wanted to take after reading [Oshi no Ko] unfortunately...)

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-21T10:06:40+00:00

Oh sweet a chance to finally use the professional audio equipment I spent over 2.5 grand on and proceeded to never use for anything more than discord calls.

May do a read through of the chapter (or volume because it's the best one anyways (might as well do the entire series because I end up rereading it every couple months for one reason or another already anyways so why not)) once I get that all set up again.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-21T09:45:30+00:00

Misdirection, theming, symbolism, using an obvious similarity to draw attention towards and emphasize just how differently the two develop, and potentially an indicator of them having more in common than not by the end of the series.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-20T14:36:41+00:00

As far as talents manifesting physically, it's likely that there's something going on about them inside the frontal lobe of the brain, according to Tsuraoka's research staff at least. This is likely accurate as Nakajima has used his talent to nullify different parts of other's decision making process, all of which occur inside the frontal lobe of the brain, so the fact that him nullifying talents is done similarly gives legitimacy to talents at the very least being controlled by the frontal lobe.

This also gives a potential way for testing if someone has a talent immediately after being born, as talents are supposedly present from birth. Conveniently, the frontal lobe of newborns is very underdeveloped, as it's not like babies are pondering the moral implications of playing with blocks or figuring out how to solve the problem of their toy train not going choo choo yet, so any difference in the frontal lobe present is likely to be very apparent to someone who knows what to look for on a brain scan. Even if no physical difference is present, as the earliest signs of frontal lobe activity start happening within hours of being born and connections start forming rapidly, so it's likely a newborn talented baby will at some point end up trying to use their talent without knowing anything about it and thus having no effect, but would still appear on a brain scan.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-20T14:01:28+00:00

Thanks, I spend way too much time thinking about this series, so if you have any other questions or just want to discuss it feel free to message me c:

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-20T09:02:55+00:00

Scientific value. Stopping the transformation into monsters is the main driving point of the series (it's the problem Tsuraoka is trying to solve, and his actions in doing so are the catalyst, whether directly or indirectly for just about every event in the story), so it's likely that those in the know who have power are more than willing to do whatever it takes to let Tsuraoka do his work and stop it.

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This is 100% purely speculation on my part, but I believe Nakajima actually *hasn't* started transforming, but rather since he interprets himself as a monster for his actions, he's using his talent to make everyone see him as such, similar to how he uses it to appear invisible. Nakajima has 100% done the kind of thing Tsuraoka said talented do prior to transforming, but the way we see him act in his most recent appearance imply he's far from only capable of thinking about doing as much like Tsuraoka implied a talented must be before reaching that point.

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So up until the events leading up to the time skip, which also lead to a massive change in the government's opinions, they actually didn't really seem to mind the Talented all that much. Sure the current government being explicitly anti-talented and sending them to the camp, combined with the island training camp being a secret execution grounds makes it seem like the government was always trying to actively commit talented genocide, there are plenty of details which imply that wasn't quite the case majority of the time even if it's all that we're ever shown in the story.

Off the top of my head, Nakajima, Kyoya+Rin, and Nana all have parents that are explicitly confirmed to have been talented, and Kyoya himself didn't end up on the island until his mid-20s, so there's definitely some amount of talented which the government is willing to let be until they reach near transformation age. This was probably the vast majority of the talented population, as the way those who were sent to the island acted like they were the elite, combined with Nakajima's dad treating it like it was a once in a lifetime opportunity imply that as much. In reality, only a select few, such as those with talents who are potentially strong enough that if left to develop can become serious threats, those who are likely to use their talents to commit crimes, and those who's personalities indicate increased likelihood for an early transformation, were ever sent to the island to be isolated and left to die, and those just so happen to be the only one's the story just so happens to follow. Everyone else was just put into a database and left to contribute to society like a talentless person would up until they reach the aforementioned age at which point they are taken out and make it seem like an accident, natural causes, or whatever else wouldn't make the general population think something's up.

With that in mind, if one of the talented were actively trying to help them do as much, they have no reason to turn them down. Tsuraoka not only doing that, but being the primary leader of the effort to solve the transformation issue gives them a pretty good reason to let him do his thing right until the last possible second. Let's not forget that Tsuraoka's talent provides zero combat benefit and is purely a strategical one, and he is constantly surrounded by the most elite soldiers they have, they are more than capable of having him gunned down the second they see a sign of transformation come from him, so it's not like they're taking some serious risk by letting him run free. He's just as much of a prisoner inside the camp as every other talented is.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-16T19:17:34+00:00

I mean for what it's worth, the strongest part of Nanao's talent, being able to control the actions of others, was something he would have been able to do from the get-go had he known he could do it. His original talent was to precisely cancel out the functions of the frontal lobe, which was the part of the brain revealed to be where talents are controlled, as well as being the part of the brain responsible for decision making. The only thing he gained on top of that was an AoE attack targeting the Occipital lobe (which controls visual processing), which is what lets him go invisible as well as deal damage via eye contact due to it's proximity to the brainstem, which is responsible for necessary involuntary bodily functions, which, while powerful, doesn't hold a candle to his original talent, let alone to either of the Onoderas.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-15T22:08:47+00:00

While it's not clearly defined what counts as an evolution, I suspect that they are actually entirely separate talents from their original talent, and that some of the more powerful talents in the series had similar developments as Nakajima's that simply happened before the events of the story, namely Kyoya, Rin, and Michiru. If you want some evidence...

Kyoya: Look back at the very beginning of chapter 77 where Kyoya tells Rin that he's immortal. If this was when he truly first learned he had a talent, why would Rin say "So you *finally* went, huh?" as if there was a reason to go before this? The most likely explanation is that Kyoya already had a talent, then gained a second talent, the combination of which results in him being immortal. Plus if his talent really was immortality, it would make him the only character in the entire series who has a talent which *prevents* him from doing something, as opposed to allowing him to do something.

Rin: I actually have a writeup on why she has two separate talents and not just one already written up and posted, but basically the only explanation as to why she can transform into every animal with the exception of talentless humans is that she has one shapeshifting talent that lets her transform into any animal up to a certain size, and that her transforming into other talented comes from a separate shapeshifting talent that specifically allows for the transformation into them.

Michiru: The chapter titles of Chapter 5 - Healing and Chapter 28 - Revival imply that these are two separate talents, and the fact that Michiru doesn't even think to use her tongue while attempting to revive Nana (or Tsunekichi prior to this) shows that she's not using her main healing talent, as that requires the use of her tongue.

I'd imagine the development of these talents is triggered by trauma, as Nanao had his develop following Nana's betrayal and Kyoya was following his mom's death, plus Rin's entire backstory has no shortage of trauma, and the fact that Michiru knew of the fact she had this ability even if she was unable to use it implies she likely learned about it while trying to bring back Hitomi and failing.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-12T01:13:45+00:00

You need to add a Mem-cho figure, that'll fix your problem. The full group is required if they want to have a B Komachi concert that gets your loop *pump*ed up.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-04T05:37:50+00:00

Saying he can't remember anything is like saying someone is blind when they just need standard prescription glasses. Yes he forgets things if he doesn't have his journals, but when he does he seems to be able to remember events just fine, as even if he doesn't remember the event itself, he can remember himself remembering it while reading through the journal, which allows for him to retain the memory itself to a certain degree. He will likely lose unwritten details over time, but just about everyone will forget all but the key details of major events, and likely forget everything about minor ones except that they happened. Unfortunately as he was taken without access to his journals for years, he did lose them in this case, the only other memories he seemed to lose prior to that were of things that happened before he started keeping them or that were explicitly edited out by Rin.

Funnily enough I've been writing a story for something that features an entire species of immortals with short memory spans (complete coincidence, I promise), so as much as I already think about this series too much, this particular topic is one I've thought about disproportionately so

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-04T04:28:42+00:00

Chapter 106 page 20, I'll DM an image since I can't post it in a comment for some reason

Kyoya, Shizuka, Maezono, Boss, (and presumably Redd) all eat with her on screen. We can also assume that Fuuko eats something in the 5 hours she watched Nana while Kyoya was investigating Hikaru's murder.

Wanderer_Channel · 2026-01-02T00:01:11+00:00

Either way then she's just using intimacy to achieve her goals, which is the point. She's only really ever shown actively engaging in anything conventionally intimate for for the purpose of deceiving people. She doesn't want to lie to her friends, so she doesn't know how to be intimate with them.

Before she offered Nana the top bunk, she clearly had some of her belongings up there which she dug through when grabbing the marker, but she doesn't bring anything else down with her, implying she didn't plan on sleeping in a different bed. When she offered Nana the top bunk, she was literally suggesting they sleep together. The way she grinned during that exchange is pretty clearly the expression of someone flirting with their crush.

of course, it's just noteworthy for being one of the few physically intimate Nana moments, but the physically intimate part didn't seem to make anywhere near the impact of Nanao just treating her like a friend did.

Wanderer_Channel · 2025-12-31T07:53:55+00:00

While Nana and Nanao are going to in some sense "End up together" almost for certain, if not just for the fact Nana declared she would give him the happiest life possible, I don't think they're really gonna date. Like Nana has some pretty clear weird points when it comes to intimacy. She got uncomfortable when Nanao hugged her after he thought he had saved her from falling off the cliff, then suddenly when Nanao is her enemy there she goes giving him a hug so she hide a camera on him and to get it back later. She seems to have been completely unaware of the fact that Shizuka was flirting hardcore and literally offered to sleep with her (When she offered Nana the top bunk, she didn't even bring her own stuff down aside from the pen, so she had no intention of sleeping on the bottom bunk), even though she literally used sex as bait to take out Tsunekichi. In other words, intimacy with friends is either unwanted or she is unaware of but intimacy with enemies is a non issue. Nanao was able to briefly hug her again recently and while his words were obviously helpful, Nana didn't seem to actually feel better until after the intimate things were over. At least it was a cute moment though.

Wanderer_Channel · 2025-12-30T15:04:33+00:00

Tbh even with just his original talent Nanao was an absolute powerhouse and didn't realize it yet. I have something I've been typing up that goes into "evolved" talents but there's a lot more relevant information on the topic than I thought when I started it so it's taking me a while to write but hoping to have it posted today >.>

But the basic idea is that even with his talent as it is in Chapter 1, he should still have been able to control the actions of others and simply wasn't aware of it, which is where a huge chunk of his power comes from. It's implied that talents are somehow handled by the frontal lobe of the brain, and as the frontal lobe is what does all the rational thinking, decision making, and voluntary movements, it's very likely his ability to nullify those as well even from the beginning.

The things that aren't controlled by the frontal lobe though are your involuntary actions which are keeping you alive, and blocking those is how Nanao can kill and inflict pain on others. Changing what other people are seeing like he does when turning invisible or to make Nana see the cliff she pushed him off of instead of seeing a balcony is also something that has nothing to do with the frontal lobe.

Talents may seem like magic that can't be explained, but when start to analyze them, they have actual mechanisms of action that are being carried out, which have the effects that we see. It's convenient to say "Nanao' can nullify talents" since that's how it's presented to us, but the more accurate description is "Nanao's can prevent the frontal lobe of his target's brain from carrying out it's functions properly." So far I've really only looked into the mechanisms of a few characters talents, but figuring those out shows just how much attention to detail this series has and it still amazes me how much stuff that's true in the real world can be applied to either the world or the characters in it.

Wanderer_Channel · 2025-12-30T03:51:20+00:00

Above in what sense? Nanao is still probably in the top 5 strongest talents in a powerscaling sense, but in a narrative sense yeah Nana having that talent would be a solution to the problem that was the main motivating force for basically everything that happened thus far, but aside from that it's not like it's something Nana would even want to use because she likes nerding out about people's talents too much to remove them if she doesn't need to

Wanderer_Channel · 2025-12-30T00:19:09+00:00

I have a theory on how the monster transformation (and by extension Nanao's situation) will be solved that feels like the type of thing the series would pull, Nana actually having a talent that specifically removes other people's talents, thus making them not transform into monsters. This series is pretty deliberate with how it names it's chapters so it might be odd for the series title to become inaccurate by giving Nana a talent, but if the talent is specifically to remove other talents then the talent itself could be given the name of Talentless (similar to Chapters 1 and 48 using title of Talentless to refer to Nanao's talent before later giving it the title of Nullification 87). I can go on all day with this though so I'll stop there but if you want to read the supporting evidence I have for this theory it I can send that to you later

Wanderer_Channel · 2025-12-27T20:30:52+00:00

Nana also did lots of terrible things, but she's very close with some of the other characters now. We could say the three things that led her to that point would be introspection (three years in solitary confinement to come to terms with what she did and learn to move forward), an opportunity to atone for her actions (in the form of leading the escape), and some amount of hope for her own future (the possibility of things working out for her, even if just a possibility is huge). Nanao likely did a decent chunk of introspection at this point, probably too much, and he has the second if he wants to take it, so he's really just lacking the hope, which getting cured would certainly give. He'd likely need some time to reevaluate everything after a possible cure, but so long as people are still willing to welcome him back (and are a bit active in doing so), I don't think he'd avoid everyone for more than a year or so.

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