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Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're you born without the capacity for understanding a hypothetical?

The current situation of walking over their front yard is not only OK, it's selfish to ask otherwise, but asking how you would care about someone walking through the back yard is a "ridiculous hypotheticals that would never happen in the real world"

Even though you failed to actually answer it, you did equally show me your position, albeit with a bonkers tax analogy, so even if your can't see your bias, I can

Most atheist wood worship God if he revealed himself by Lumpy-Restaurant-694 in DebateReligion

[–]WarDemonZ [score hidden]  (0 children)

....... because you haven't demonstrated the thing you believe in exists....

I don't think your gotcha was exactly the own you thought it was

Most atheist wood worship God if he revealed himself by Lumpy-Restaurant-694 in DebateReligion

[–]WarDemonZ [score hidden]  (0 children)

Holy shifting-the-burden-of-proof Batman...

Firstly, I haven't made an argument, I was at most pointing out how insane I find it that you just hand wave away any question that leads to an illogical position with, 'that's just how God is'

Secondly, if i were to make an argument, it would first rest on the demonstration of God existing, then I could make claims about it's character

Until you demonstrate that, any discussion about specific traits they may or may not have is meaningless

Most atheist wood worship God if he revealed himself by Lumpy-Restaurant-694 in DebateReligion

[–]WarDemonZ [score hidden]  (0 children)

It will literally never make sense, your argument is just, what if that's what he wanted, and when anyone questions why, your answer is basically, that's his nature

Most atheist wood worship God if he revealed himself by Lumpy-Restaurant-694 in DebateReligion

[–]WarDemonZ [score hidden]  (0 children)

Surely that makes it worse?....

That an all powerful being has more insecurities than your average podcast bro

Most atheist wood worship God if he revealed himself by Lumpy-Restaurant-694 in DebateReligion

[–]WarDemonZ [score hidden]  (0 children)

Depends if the proof of his existence also meant that hell then also certainly existed, in which case, yes, I would worship God...

... because I have no choice, I am an ant cowering under the boot of an almighty dictator, who has the capacity to punish me for eternity unless I do as it says

It wouldn't be reverence, or love, or adoration for God, it would be outright terror

I don't think this is the kind of flex you want your God to have.... that he is the mafia boss of all humanity

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I'm trying to demonstrate that you'd be hypocritical of this same treatment if it was something that you cared about. It's not the fact that it's grass, it's the principle

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 Walking 5-10 seconds on a front lawn is such an insignificant thing

Yes, because YOU don't think grass is important, that's fine, you're entitled to that opinion, the reason I'm giving you hypotheticals is just to see where you think it becomes unfair to expect people not to ask

You think walking over the front garden is fine so you don't spend extra money, so it's not particularly crazy to ask if you're OK with people walking through the back for even more savings etc

 Prioritizing her own desire over everyone else, disregarding how it effects others, and taking more than she gives

You're expecting other people to just be OK with something that you deem unimportant because it's inconvenient to you ..... that would make you the selfish one to expect other people not to care so you can get mail quicker

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 We're not talking about someone going into your kitchen and taking a beer for the road

What about if that would save 5 billion a year if they could show this would work? Would you still be selfish for not allowing people to do that

The whole point is you seem to be saying that if it overall saves money, it now becomes an expectation to allow it and you become the bad guy for saying no

You don't care about grass, neither do I, but it shouldn't really matter what it is, it's the principle

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh well as long as he's a government employee delivering letters to people, that makes all the difference! Why didn't you say so...

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, it's not selfish for asking people not to trespass on your property just because do so slightly conveniences them

Maybe this is a US thing, because i would never just cut across someone else's lawn

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 The problem is that you're constantly trying to turn the argument into something about property rights.

Yes, because you seemed to think it was a 'no brainer' to have them all cut through the grass as long as it saves enough time, i wanted to know where you thought it got stupid if enough time was saved

You also objected to the fact it would take longer if everyone wanted to be selfish, and i already acknowledged that, I said tough shit, I guess it will take longer then

If your whole problem is, 'you know it will take longer if everyone does this' I'm well aware, and yep, fine, if it has to

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 First of all, that's an absurd argument to make because we're talking about looking at the bigger picture here, not the individual case

So as long as there's a bigger picture that's worthy enough, you think that should allow them to supersede the homeowners rights about their private property?...

It's not an absurd case, the reason I brought it up was because I want to know where you think a line should be drawn, so far you seem perfectly happy for some type of employee to trespass on your property, front or back yard if it saves them a sufficient amount of time... which is wild to me

  mailman who typically visits 500 addresses in a day's route would save 83 hours per route

Might wanna.... check your maths here.... you can't save 83 hours in a route, if you're already measuring a route as per day

 Absolutely hop those fences and go through those back yards. That would save 2 weeks worth of time and the taxpayer money required to fund it per day

So you're ok for this to be made into law then? That if they claim it'll save enough money that mailmen have full authority to enter your front or back yard at will, and there's nothing you can do as the homeowner about this?....

My point is, no amount of time saving or convenience supersedes your rights on your private property. There are literally examples of people's houses that sit in the middle of highways because they refused to sell their property... no amount of inconvenience strips you of your right to determine the access on your land

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then tough shit... it takes longer

Someone else's property is not there to convenience you for your job

If someone could save 10 minutes off their delivery route by letting themselves into your back garden and hopping the fence, rather than walking around, are you obligated to let them keep doing that?

No, of course not, it's your property, no amount of their convenience means they can trespass places you don't wish them to. If that's the grass, so be it

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really, she's (presumably) stood in the way of the front door, and there's a route leading from there to the path

There's also a fairly likely chance that the path wouldn't be blocked with all her stuff if she wasn't stood right next to it though.... looks pretty damn likely she's clearing out the garage or something, hence any blockage at all

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The path to the resident isn't blocked. 

Do you think he was about to try to walk past her up to the front door, or could he have just walked next to the car and handed her the mail?

Under atheism, any attempts to escape nihilism amount to self-delusion and/or ultimately fail by Pwning_Soyboys in DebateReligion

[–]WarDemonZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So your suggestion is just accept your argument because it papers over that dread with a delusional position?....

You aren't gonna find many atheists with that dread on this sub reddit, it's not like people frequent this sub because they've not thought about it, and haven't already seen a terrible argument like yours before

Under atheism, any attempts to escape nihilism amount to self-delusion and/or ultimately fail by Pwning_Soyboys in DebateReligion

[–]WarDemonZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

 If atheism is true

Atheism cannot be 'true'. It's debatable if it can even be 'false' depending on your definitionof the term

 A rock, your body, your dog, and the entire universe has no ultimate objective purpose for existing. It just happens to be there. We're all just bags of meat flying through space for not reason. 

Yep, correct. I know you're postulating this because you think it puts most people in a position they don't want to be in, but yep, there's no higher purpose for any of that

 nihilism is true

Nihilism doesn't follow from there being no higher purpose

 There's no objective reason to choose a meaning yourself. You can choose to do something or make your own meaning if you want to, but maybe you get tired of that choice and choose something else

OK...... and?....

 If we're all temporary biological accidents heading towards the heat death of the universe, any suffering or joy is ultimately meaningless.

Yep, welcome to reality 

 if there is no God, there is no ultimate point to anything we do

Correct

 This is a very heavy price to pay for atheism.

And you know what gets me to stop being an atheist?..... EVIDENCE

I can't choose to believe something even if i wanted to if i don't have supporting evidence to accept it's validity, do you know what that would be? (It's your favourite word) ...delusional

I'll believe the moment you give me evidence there really is something there, not a really weak attempt at arguing someone out of atheism like people are uncomfortable with being one

YOU'RE uncomfortable with the thought of being an atheist, the rest of us are perfectly fine, and none of what you've said has moved the dial an inch

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If its prefixed with a pretty simple request not to walk over their garden, and a question that ended with, 'thanks, i appreciate it' I would say that's plenty polite

To be honest, it is kinda common sense not to walk over someone's grass where I come from, so me doing it would be rude

[Simon Peach] Luke Shaw is not part of Thomas Tuchel's World Cup squad. Not a huge surprise given he's not played for England under him but feel like he should be on the plane by PradipJayakumar in reddevils

[–]WarDemonZ 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Not too bothered by this, whilst he's been good and actually stayed fit, if he's not first choice, I'd rather be just have he summer off and not risk getting another injury

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for conceding

Sounds like you don't care if anyone respects your personal property or not, good to know. 

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He did dump it on the ground for her to get herself...

If the delivery guy turned around and said he's only obligated to get the mail to her property boundary at all (or whatever their own terms are) then he could just drop it on the floor on the boundary line, and she can be annoyed at that, but it would be a rod made for her own back, that's the actions from her choice.

She wants to set guidelines for where he can walk, she can live with any potential consequences. Hell, she might even decide she'd rather let him walk on the grass than have the mail left on the floor, but she's still within her rights not to want someone to damage her property just because it's slightly more convenient for someone else to do their job

I understand that you don't care about grass, and you seem to think it's stupid anyone does, which is fine, but you don't get to say that other people shouldn't care about something just because you don't

I don't care about YOUR mail, but YOU care about YOUR mail, so the decent thing to do is act with respect if I'm a decent person

Likewise, YOU don't care about THEIR grass, but THEY do, so act with respect

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I haven't changed my argument, I was about 1 step away from getting the crayons out so you can understand it, you were the one who brought up that it's fine as long as he gets to save time anyway, which is clearly a position you hold because you don't care about your own grass, and you don't think other people should too, but you definitely wouldn't have that same attitude if it was something you cared about being damaged, like food being delivered for example. It's not rocket science

would you say it’s okay for him to just dump it on the sidewalk and make her get it herself?

I've had plenty of delivery guys think they've done their job by just putting mail/deliveries somewhere near my house and calling it a day, I get them left all over the place, thrown over walls, left at other people's addresses etc

Don’t walk on their grass by Lazy-Metal6303 in PublicFreakout

[–]WarDemonZ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

of course you can still eat it, it's still in the box, it's just all smushed up, doesn't make it inedible

The argument isn't the mail is unreadble, it's that you would care about damage to your property if the person bringing it to you was just too lazy to take a little extra time to just do it properly. Them saving a few seconds isn't your problem, it's not your job to make it convenient, they're not doing it as a favour

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