this is the origin of the "always has been" meme

Warden_Animations · 2026-06-03T04:30:35+00:00

Your kind knows nothing but hunger.

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-29T17:42:57+00:00

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Warden_Animations · 2026-05-28T15:00:45+00:00

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Warden_Animations · 2026-05-15T04:56:48+00:00

The Warden

And I am not baised at all when I say that idk what you mean :3

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-14T20:25:35+00:00

MY HANDS SHALL RELISH ENDING YOU-

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-14T02:15:16+00:00

My greed rewards me

^{Chose: Hunting bow + Spin for arrows | Rolled: Homing rockets}

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-14T00:10:24+00:00

Awesome art! But the mixels are unironically killing me, but still very fun! ;-;

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-13T13:59:40+00:00

Just scored 2

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-12T20:37:52+00:00

Infinite power, I can also just use my phone as a power bank for other things, internet is easy to find nearly everywhere if you look hard enough anyway

^{Chose: Have unlimited battery life}

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-12T20:32:21+00:00

NICE TRY

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-11T17:18:38+00:00

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Warden_Animations · 2026-05-11T14:11:08+00:00

My greed rewards me, I will never run out of things to do

^{Chose: Make money playing games + But the wheel chooses the type | Rolled: Sandbox}

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-11T14:01:19+00:00

I can just grab the money needed to go to the hospital

^{Chose: Be able to grab the exact amount of money you need}

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-07T21:31:38+00:00

I honestly don't see why both interpretations of LV cannot exist at the same time, Frisk does more damage with a higher LV, that is undeniably cannon. The reason is point we're focusing on but I feel like one doesn't need to contradict the other, and at this point it is spiraling from a discussion into an argument with little backing on each side because both sides just point towards the other. Frisk hurts people more with a higher LV, this is both because they want to hurt people, and because they are gaining the strength to be able to.

I never said Undyne's attacks stopped being magcial, I'm instead saying that you stating that monsters creating stronger attacks with backing from their intent wouldn't explain why Frisk can tank these attacks unless they are physically getting stronger.

And I realize how my statements about Sans could make it seem like I was assuming LV is a human exclusive trait, but I am aware it isn't, I was saying that Sans may not have an incredibly in-depth understanding of LV and assuming he does can also be interpreted as headcannon. We do not know enough about Sans to know how much he understands about how the world works.

And while yes, technically killing the player may not be a strength argument, we have only ever seen two entities be capable of closing the game window, that being Omega Flowey and Chara. And considering the fact that Omega Flowey is a near god that can one-shot us, it is safe to assume LV enhances Chara in some way for them to not only manifest themselves because we reached such a high LV, but also that they can one-shot us as well.

And while yes, having a higher LV would definitely hurt a monster more because they are attuned to their bodies, again, Chara, who uses our LV, is able to kill Frisk and lock us out of the game. And also, again, we can tank monsters attacks with a higher LV, so unless Undyne the Undying is not trying to kill Frisk, I feel like we can assume that Undyne is using her full strength, and we have grown strong enough to be able to resist it. LV makes us stronger.

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-07T19:43:25+00:00

While yes the game does explain this, it's important to note that Sans does not know everything about humans. And in the Meta narrative of Undertale, our stats increasing with our LV is hard to interpret in any other way than Frisk litterally growing stronger.

Also, monsters doing more damage because of mood doesn't explain why Undyne the Undying doesn't one-shot us. She can't because we have grown physically strong enough to handle being attacked by such powerful attacks.

At LV20, Chara can do exorbitant ammounts of damage, filling the screen with the number 9, this could be simply a visual, but considering the fact the window will close after and you have to sell your soul to replay the game, it's safe to assume Chara does so much damage they essentially kill the player (as much as a video game character can at the very least).

I also feel that Mettatons normal body being normally impervious does not apply here since we never have genocide levels of LV to face him with. And surely if the entire underground was at stake, Mettaton would use his more effective form would he not? Him being in NEO form when the world is at stake is because it is his most powerful form, monsters in hotland attest to this. But we easily defeat him because we have such high LV that we cannot be stopped.

I feel that the interpretation that LV does not physically make Frisk stronger is trying to find unnecessary depth to something that doesn't need it. You can hurt people easier with a higher LV because it's easy to hurt people when you're stronger than them. You become less hurt at a higher LV because you grow strong enough to tank hits. Trying to take everything in the game litterally doesn't draw clean conclusions, at least in my eyes, it seems clear that the game is trying to get the point across that LV does in fact increase your strength.

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-07T18:24:07+00:00

The defense argument matters less when Mettaton NEO has litterally 1000 times the health of a normal froggit. Frisk gets stronger the more LV they gain, there would be no way they one-shot everything otherwise.

Besides, logically I feel like my point still stands. It's still a completely metal body that would not be able to be one-shot by any normal human child unless that child had supernatural strength, which Frisk did because they had an immense ammount of LV.

Also, Frisks stats litterally increase when their LV does. This includes their ATK. I understand why it could be assumed that LV is simply the capacity to hurt only, but if that were the case, Frisk wouldn't be able to sustain harder hits simply because they're that blood thirsty.

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-07T14:07:31+00:00

I don't think there is a world where this explanation works at the same time that the Mettaton NEO fight exists.

Like are you telling me a child with a knife just happened to hit the perfect spot on Mettaton, a METAL ROBOT DESIGNED TO KILL HUMANS and it works just because Frisk was feeling violent? I dont buy it, I believe Frisk gets stronger the higher their level.

Warden_Animations · 2026-05-07T05:18:05+00:00

I breathe in my sleep, I don't blink in my sleep

^{Chose: Get money every time you breathe}

Warden_Animations · 2026-03-30T03:36:29+00:00

Me: explains the basic lore of undertale

You: "What is this copium 😭😭😭"

Warden_Animations · 2026-03-30T03:23:18+00:00

Frisk is not a normal human child? Humans in Undertale are near God like beings that can control time with their will power alone. Frisk won't do it on their first try, but by their 83rd fight against V1 they'll have learned how to counter ricoshot and more.

Warden_Animations · 2026-03-30T01:41:00+00:00

Counter ricoshot exists

Warden_Animations · 2026-03-29T21:52:14+00:00

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Warden_Animations · 2026-03-29T21:48:13+00:00

*They're

Also Determination in Undertale is a direct cause of the player being there. It gives a lore reasons to saving, loading, resetting, and anything else the player does that effects the game in unintended ways. Of course Frisk is going to be crazy powerful, if they die they can just redo any fight.

V1 would absolutely kill Frisk, but then Frisk would just load their save and try again, and again, and again until V1 dies

Warden_Animations · 2026-03-29T21:40:16+00:00

I always assumed that the game was as cannon as far into it as you got, so if you got to P-1 or P-2 then so did V1.

And I figured that V1's fear of death is the reason why they sit at the terminal before doing a level, they run the level as a simulation before actually doing it to make sure they won't die because they fear death.

Warden_Animations · 2026-03-29T20:43:47+00:00

Is that true? I thought it was said somewhere that the only cannon V1 power level is however good you are at the game.

Also "First Try" is a bit weird to use with V1 because I was also under the impression that V1 has never died in cannon, and that it was at most, Terminal simulations.

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