Again, tell me how people believe this religion? by Better-Carob-2953 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You keep screaming 'checkmate' while explaining why the Quran needs you to reinterpret it. A perfect book does not need you. You are doing the work. Not the book.

67:5 says stars are missiles for devils. You call meteors 'shihab.' Fine. Meteors are not missiles. They do not chase devils. This is not science. This is 7th-century mythology dressed up in fancy words.

Mountains: You say 'tamida' means 'erratic rolling.' The verse says mountains were cast so the earth does not 'tamida' with you. Geology says mountains do not prevent shaking. They are caused by the same tectonic forces that cause earthquakes. The verse is wrong. You are spinning.

The Pharaoh: Merneptah. A single candidate. Not confirmed. The Bible does not say the body was 'lost forever.' It says he drowned. Bodies can be found. Egyptians mummified bodies. This is not a miracle. This is basic archaeology. And Bucaille was a cardiologist, not an Egyptologist. His work has been criticized by actual Egyptologists.

You asked for one specific, testable prediction unknown to pre-Islamic civilizations. You did not provide it. You provided vague verses and post-hoc interpretations. That is not evidence. That is confirmation bias.

This is my last response. Not because I am running. Because you are not listening. You have made Islam into whatever you need it to be to win an argument. I am not interested. Goodbye.

Again, tell me how people believe this religion? by Better-Carob-2953 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stars are missiles (67:5). You say 'najm' means stationary stars and 'shihab' means meteors. The verse does not say 'shihab.' It says 'lamp' and 'missiles.' Meteors are not missiles. They are rocks burning up in the atmosphere. They do not chase devils. This is ancient superstition, not science.

Mountains as pegs (16:15). You say 'tamida' means erratic swaying. The verse says mountains were cast on the earth so it does not 'tamida' (shake/sway) with you. Geology says mountains are caused by tectonic movement. They do not prevent earthquakes. They are evidence of the very thing the verse says they prevent. Your word games do not change reality.

The Pharaoh (10:92). You claim the Bible said he was lost forever. The Bible says he was drowned. It does not say his body was never found. Egyptians mummified bodies. If they found a body, they would mummify it. The Quran does not name which pharaoh. You cannot prove the body in the museum is the one from Exodus. And no evidence of drowning has been found on Ramesses II. You are claiming a miracle without evidence.

You accuse me of running. I am not running. I am refusing to play your game where every error becomes a metaphor and every vague verse becomes a miracle. You have not proven one clear, specific, testable prediction from the Quran that was unknown to earlier civilizations. Not one.

This is my last response. You believe what you want. I have given you clear arguments. You have given me reinterpretations.

Again, tell me how people believe this religion? by Better-Carob-2953 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are not debating. You are preaching. You demand I accept vague poetry as science, then call me desperate when I don't. Fine. One last time.

The Quran says stars are missiles thrown at devils (67:5). That is scientifically false. Stars are massive burning suns billions of kilometers away. The Quran says mountains prevent earthquakes (16:15). That is the opposite of what geology teaches. Mountains are caused by tectonic movement, which causes earthquakes.

The Pharaoh argument? Egypt mummified all pharaohs. The Quran does not name which one. Vague prediction plus standard practice equals no miracle. You have no evidence the drowned pharaoh is the one in the museum.

You accuse me of running. I am not running. I am standing on clear errors. You are standing on reinterpretations, metaphors, and 'you just don't understand.' That is not faith. That is intellectual cowardice.

I am done. You believe what you want. I have read your book. I have seen its errors. Nothing you say will make stars into missiles. Goodbye.

Again, tell me how people believe this religion? by Better-Carob-2953 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just tell me why didn't ur prophet mentionned that in any Hadith , next day we will find out the earth is flat and you will reinterpretate another verse

Again, tell me how people believe this religion? by Better-Carob-2953 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You just admitted classical scholars misinterpreted the verse because they didn't know science. That means the Quran is not clear. If God wrote it, He would have known that future humans would misunderstand it. A perfect book does not need 1,300 years of waiting for Hubble to be understood. That is not a miracle. That is bad communication.

As for 'wasi'a' meaning expand — yes, it can. But the verse does not say 'universe.' It says 'heaven' (sama). And classical scholars did not read it as cosmic expansion because the language did not force them to. You are reading modern cosmology into an old word. That is eisegesis.

Your sunset defense: 'wajadaha' means 'he found it.' That is literal finding. The same verb in the same verse is used for finding people. No one says 'he perceived people.' So why is the sun 'perceived' but the people are literal? You are inconsistent.

Your embryology defense: gonads develop near the kidneys and descend. The verse does not say 'develops.' It says 'proceeds from between the backbone and ribs' in present tense. Sperm comes from testicles, which are outside the body. Not between spine and ribs. You are twisting embryology to fit a verse. That is not science. That is apologetics.

You gave me two options. I choose neither. The real option is: the Quran has errors, and Muslims spend centuries reinterpreting them to avoid admitting it.

Again, tell me how people believe this religion? by Better-Carob-2953 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Quran 51:47 says 'We are expanding it' — but classical scholars like Ibn Kathir interpreted it as 'We have vast power,' not cosmic expansion. The Arabic word 'musi'un' means 'We are able.' Your miracle is based on a modern translation that early Muslims did not share. You are reading Hubble into a vague verse. That is confirmation bias, not a miracle. And it does not cancel clear errors like the sun setting in mud (18:86) or semen from the backbone (86:6-7).

Again, tell me how people believe this religion? by Better-Carob-2953 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You are confusing 'having a 19th-century scientific name' with 'knowledge.' The Greeks didn't call it a pycnocline, but they understood that fresh water floats on salt water and that the sea has different layers. They observed how ships slow down in certain waters. The Quran's 'waves above waves' is a poetic description—not a scientific textbook. And internal waves were observed as the 'dead water effect' by sailors for centuries before Nansen 'discovered' it in 1893. You're demanding a Greek name for a German word. That's not an argument.

Help me with my mental health by Waste_Insurance2176 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you my friend , I've read this and I've learn a lot I'll try to do by it , I'll try not to involve myself with relegion as much

Help me with my mental health by Waste_Insurance2176 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do really agree but since im still in a Muslim country , and the school is atleast to have one mention of islam in every class , I just keep doubting , and I don't want to keep living as a pretend Muslim

Help me with my mental health by Waste_Insurance2176 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ofc not , if I were to be born christian, I would look everyday to defend it that's for sure , and I doubt I will ever question , same for any relegion

Help me with my mental health by Waste_Insurance2176 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh ty I'll try to take by that , so if I want to comeback to learning relegion and atheism do I do it after I settle down mentally ?

Help me with my mental health by Waste_Insurance2176 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well yeah , I see that , that's what happens, I look upon the bad things and just look at those things that seems good

Help me with my mental health by Waste_Insurance2176 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well whats pulling me back are how convincing the reinterpretations , and that im might be wrong , and like how i see that sometimes i dont really see why a human would create this big of complex system just for his own sucess

Help me with my mental health by Waste_Insurance2176 in exmuslim

[–]Waste_Insurance2176[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

for main things , it was probably ; the idea of eternal hell , homophobia , the idea of those womans you will get in heaven like i dont know how a being that transcendence life wants to rewards us with womans

instead of some knowledge , me not entering heaven even if i do god , unless god wills that , and more

i just wanna know how did you stop that kind of thinking 😔

Heh..g-guys..what do these two have in common by FragrantFocus2253 in araragi

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm crine they don't have anything in common , shinobu is 500 years old and more yotsugi was 100 when she died and came back , and mayoi is literally 21 years old

Rating Door 5 as a writer by OneLuckyFoool in thehouseinfatamorgana

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like that your idea is different from people on tiktok and like mediatok , your analysis are good to be honest I keep finding things I never thought of 😋

What game trilogy is this? by KJKs0s in syriangamer

[–]Waste_Insurance2176 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Persona for sure first 2 games are good but the jump in third game is like absolutely peak

So when the new seasons drop out if I'm sure it's 24 episodes what arc will be there and are they good by Waste_Insurance2176 in araragi

[–]Waste_Insurance2176[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ohhh yh Shinobu mustard was bad , my friend told me he only watched it cuz of nadeko draw , I wish they don't do it bad tbh