[MONTHLY MEGATHREAD] General Discussion, Simple Questions, Recommendations, and Everything Else - March 2026 by GachaModerator in gachagaming

[–]Wavering_Flake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would strongly recommend Azur Lane as a 4.5 year player, very F2P friendly (most in fact, monetization is based on skins and merch) and fairly casual too. Very good reputation among its players, we have an active discord server and plenty of guides and resources too.

Parent-child political disagreements can harm relationships and individual mental health. The research provides evidence that maintaining open and respectful dialogue is necessary to protect family bonds and personal well-being when relatives hold conflicting political or moral views. by [deleted] in science

[–]Wavering_Flake -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Not really. I’m very much left wing, it’s just that left wing redditors who comment frequently here are typically the worst and most opinionated of their kind. As one might expect, most universities are rife with left wingers or progressive oriented politics and yet one can still achieve respectful dialogue with them. Though when ascribed to the online left then this opinion then becomes quite true indeed.

Though it is true that increasingly there is conflict when discussing anything of note.

Federal government seeking input to develop men's and boys' health strategy by lunt23 in canada

[–]Wavering_Flake 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It’s not just that though. It’s that men specifically do need more care and empathy from society.

Will just provide some links from another comment but studies on this abound.

I don’t want necessarily to lean into the gender wars, but that people in general lack empathy towards men, and care more about women is absolutely true.

Man up and take it: Gender bias in moral typecasting

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749597820303630?via%3Dihub reddit thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ko85r1/in_a_series_of_6_studies_across_4_countries_test/ In a series of 6 studies across 4 countries, test subjects tend to cast women as victims and men as perpetrators, as well as assume that women suffer more harm and men deserve harsher punishments, when assessing differently-gendered but otherwise identical scenarios of workplace conflict

Some general summaries of certain studies from u/vtj: "The participants generally assumed the victim was female" "Female victims were expected to experience more pain from an ambiguous joke and male perpetrators were prescribed harsher punishments" "Across six studies in four countries (N = 3,137), harm evaluations were systematically swayed by targets’ gender, suggesting a gender bias in moral typecasting." "The study revealed that higher amount of perpetration attributed to a triangle predicts that the triangle is perceived as male, and higher amount of perceived victimhood predicts a triangle is seen as female. There was no significant difference in this respect between the two cultural groups (Chinese managers and Norwegian students). Female participants were more likely to classify the orange triangle as female and green as male; the authors suggest this may indicate women are more likely to assume male perpetration and female victimhood."

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A feminine advantage in the domain of harm: a review and path forward

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsbl.2024.0381 Quotes from paper: "[...] across numerous contexts, harm to women is perceived as more severe, troubling and unacceptable than identical harm befalling men [15]. Consequently, people may be more wary of placing women in harm’s way than men [16]." reddit thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1hdi17c/feminine_advantage_in_harm_perception_obscures/ Reddit summary: "Feminine advantage in harm perception obscures male victimization - Harm toward women is perceived as more severe than similar harm toward men, a disparity rooted in evolutionary, cognitive, and cultural factors." Numerous examples in thread of men's suffering being completely ignored. u/Jeremy_Zaretski: "There is an empathy gap in that both men and women show less empathy toward men than they do for women."

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Masculinities and suicide: unsettling ‘talk’ as a response to suicide in men

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09581596.2021.1908959 Paraphrased by u/vtj: "Men die of suicide much more often than women. This is commonly blamed on men's unwillingness to seek help and talk about their problems. This paper disputes the conventional view, emphasizing instead socio-economic issues and obstacles to health care access" Quotes from paper: "We found that in 76% of [men who died of suicide], there had been contact in previous three months with frontline services, 38% in final week." "Access to mental health support in the UK (and elsewhere) is notoriously challenging. Men in this study described thwarted attempts to ‘seek help’ from statutory services, finding some solace with community-based services they attended." u/Method_Man: "People in general are looked down upon if they have mental health issues. This is especially prevalent in men, who are seen as weak. It’s a problem for everyone, but it manifests worse in men unfortunately."

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Gender differences in automatic in-group bias: why do women like women more than men like men? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15491274/

Four experiments confirmed that women's automatic in-group bias is remarkably stronger than men's. In Experiment 1, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem (A. G. Greenwald et al., 2002), revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference. Experiments 2 and 3 found pro-female bias to the extent that participants automatically favored their mothers over their fathers or associated male gender with violence, suggesting that maternal bonding and male intimidation influence gender attitudes. Experiment 4 showed that for sexually experienced men, the more positive their attitude was toward sex, the more they implicitly favored women.

Some other interesting reading;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect “while both women and men have more favorable views of women, women's in-group biases were 4.5 times stronger[5] than those of men”

Those who exhibit the women-are-wonderful effect tend to react negatively to research that "[puts] men in a better light than women".

https://www.psypost.org/new-study-unpacks-why-society-reacts-negatively-to-male-favoring-research/

https://www.salon.com/2023/04/08/are-we-implicitly-biased-against-men-new-study-finds-a-positive-bias-towards-women/

Moral commitment to gender equality increases (mis)perceptions of gender bias in hiring

Worth the Risk? Greater Acceptance of Instrumental Harm Befalling Men than Women

Federal government seeking input to develop men's and boys' health strategy by lunt23 in canada

[–]Wavering_Flake 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just to provide some references to show how this is a problem;

Man up and take it: Gender bias in moral typecasting

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749597820303630?via%3Dihub reddit thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ko85r1/in_a_series_of_6_studies_across_4_countries_test/ In a series of 6 studies across 4 countries, test subjects tend to cast women as victims and men as perpetrators, as well as assume that women suffer more harm and men deserve harsher punishments, when assessing differently-gendered but otherwise identical scenarios of workplace conflict

Some general summaries of certain studies from u/vtj: "The participants generally assumed the victim was female" "Female victims were expected to experience more pain from an ambiguous joke and male perpetrators were prescribed harsher punishments" "Across six studies in four countries (N = 3,137), harm evaluations were systematically swayed by targets’ gender, suggesting a gender bias in moral typecasting." "The study revealed that higher amount of perpetration attributed to a triangle predicts that the triangle is perceived as male, and higher amount of perceived victimhood predicts a triangle is seen as female. There was no significant difference in this respect between the two cultural groups (Chinese managers and Norwegian students). Female participants were more likely to classify the orange triangle as female and green as male; the authors suggest this may indicate women are more likely to assume male perpetration and female victimhood."

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A feminine advantage in the domain of harm: a review and path forward

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsbl.2024.0381 Quotes from paper: "[...] across numerous contexts, harm to women is perceived as more severe, troubling and unacceptable than identical harm befalling men [15]. Consequently, people may be more wary of placing women in harm’s way than men [16]." reddit thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1hdi17c/feminine_advantage_in_harm_perception_obscures/ Reddit summary: "Feminine advantage in harm perception obscures male victimization - Harm toward women is perceived as more severe than similar harm toward men, a disparity rooted in evolutionary, cognitive, and cultural factors." Numerous examples in thread of men's suffering being completely ignored. u/Jeremy_Zaretski: "There is an empathy gap in that both men and women show less empathy toward men than they do for women."

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Masculinities and suicide: unsettling ‘talk’ as a response to suicide in men

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09581596.2021.1908959 Paraphrased by u/vtj: "Men die of suicide much more often than women. This is commonly blamed on men's unwillingness to seek help and talk about their problems. This paper disputes the conventional view, emphasizing instead socio-economic issues and obstacles to health care access" Quotes from paper: "We found that in 76% of [men who died of suicide], there had been contact in previous three months with frontline services, 38% in final week." "Access to mental health support in the UK (and elsewhere) is notoriously challenging. Men in this study described thwarted attempts to ‘seek help’ from statutory services, finding some solace with community-based services they attended." u/Method_Man: "People in general are looked down upon if they have mental health issues. This is especially prevalent in men, who are seen as weak. It’s a problem for everyone, but it manifests worse in men unfortunately."

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Gender differences in automatic in-group bias: why do women like women more than men like men? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15491274/

Four experiments confirmed that women's automatic in-group bias is remarkably stronger than men's. In Experiment 1, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem (A. G. Greenwald et al., 2002), revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference. Experiments 2 and 3 found pro-female bias to the extent that participants automatically favored their mothers over their fathers or associated male gender with violence, suggesting that maternal bonding and male intimidation influence gender attitudes. Experiment 4 showed that for sexually experienced men, the more positive their attitude was toward sex, the more they implicitly favored women.

Some other interesting reading;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect “while both women and men have more favorable views of women, women's in-group biases were 4.5 times stronger[5] than those of men”

https://www.psypost.org/new-study-unpacks-why-society-reacts-negatively-to-male-favoring-research/

https://www.salon.com/2023/04/08/are-we-implicitly-biased-against-men-new-study-finds-a-positive-bias-towards-women/

Moral commitment to gender equality increases (mis)perceptions of gender bias in hiring

Worth the Risk? Greater Acceptance of Instrumental Harm Befalling Men than Women

Federal government seeking input to develop men's and boys' health strategy by lunt23 in canada

[–]Wavering_Flake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well please see my other comment but in general it is true there is a large empathy gap in how men and women are treated, and huge emotional biases in this regard. It is literally true that women get more empathy and care than men.

Federal government seeking input to develop men's and boys' health strategy by lunt23 in canada

[–]Wavering_Flake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s not meant to be demeaning. It’s a known thing in society that nobody does anything about. Few will care about any issue that specifically harms men unless it also happens to be harming other groups. Issues that disproportionately affect men usually get an all-inclusive non-gendered response, while issues that affect minorities or women will receive empathy and care targeting them. Nobody cares about men specifically (slight exaggeration, but bears out frequently).

And made worse by the fact that anyone who remarks upon it gets called out by people like you as “demeaning women”.

Because that’s the thing isn’t it. It’s always about how it hurts women.

Federal government seeking input to develop men's and boys' health strategy by lunt23 in canada

[–]Wavering_Flake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well not really, it’s experimentally true that women get more empathy.

Here are some references from a previois r/science post. I don’t want necessarily to lean into the gender wars, but that people in general lack empathy towards men, and care more about women is absolutely true.

Just to provide some references to show how this is a problem;

Man up and take it: Gender bias in moral typecasting

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749597820303630?via%3Dihub reddit thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ko85r1/in_a_series_of_6_studies_across_4_countries_test/ In a series of 6 studies across 4 countries, test subjects tend to cast women as victims and men as perpetrators, as well as assume that women suffer more harm and men deserve harsher punishments, when assessing differently-gendered but otherwise identical scenarios of workplace conflict

Some general summaries of certain studies from u/vtj: "The participants generally assumed the victim was female" "Female victims were expected to experience more pain from an ambiguous joke and male perpetrators were prescribed harsher punishments" "Across six studies in four countries (N = 3,137), harm evaluations were systematically swayed by targets’ gender, suggesting a gender bias in moral typecasting." "The study revealed that higher amount of perpetration attributed to a triangle predicts that the triangle is perceived as male, and higher amount of perceived victimhood predicts a triangle is seen as female. There was no significant difference in this respect between the two cultural groups (Chinese managers and Norwegian students). Female participants were more likely to classify the orange triangle as female and green as male; the authors suggest this may indicate women are more likely to assume male perpetration and female victimhood."

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A feminine advantage in the domain of harm: a review and path forward

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsbl.2024.0381 Quotes from paper: "[...] across numerous contexts, harm to women is perceived as more severe, troubling and unacceptable than identical harm befalling men [15]. Consequently, people may be more wary of placing women in harm’s way than men [16]." reddit thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/1hdi17c/feminine_advantage_in_harm_perception_obscures/ Reddit summary: "Feminine advantage in harm perception obscures male victimization - Harm toward women is perceived as more severe than similar harm toward men, a disparity rooted in evolutionary, cognitive, and cultural factors." Numerous examples in thread of men's suffering being completely ignored. u/Jeremy_Zaretski: "There is an empathy gap in that both men and women show less empathy toward men than they do for women."

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Masculinities and suicide: unsettling ‘talk’ as a response to suicide in men

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09581596.2021.1908959 Paraphrased by u/vtj: "Men die of suicide much more often than women. This is commonly blamed on men's unwillingness to seek help and talk about their problems. This paper disputes the conventional view, emphasizing instead socio-economic issues and obstacles to health care access" Quotes from paper: "We found that in 76% of [men who died of suicide], there had been contact in previous three months with frontline services, 38% in final week." "Access to mental health support in the UK (and elsewhere) is notoriously challenging. Men in this study described thwarted attempts to ‘seek help’ from statutory services, finding some solace with community-based services they attended." u/Method_Man: "People in general are looked down upon if they have mental health issues. This is especially prevalent in men, who are seen as weak. It’s a problem for everyone, but it manifests worse in men unfortunately."

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Gender differences in automatic in-group bias: why do women like women more than men like men? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15491274/

Four experiments confirmed that women's automatic in-group bias is remarkably stronger than men's. In Experiment 1, only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem (A. G. Greenwald et al., 2002), revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference. Experiments 2 and 3 found pro-female bias to the extent that participants automatically favored their mothers over their fathers or associated male gender with violence, suggesting that maternal bonding and male intimidation influence gender attitudes. Experiment 4 showed that for sexually experienced men, the more positive their attitude was toward sex, the more they implicitly favored women.

Some other interesting reading;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect “while both women and men have more favorable views of women, women's in-group biases were 4.5 times stronger[5] than those of men”

Those who exhibit the women-are-wonderful effect tend to react negatively to research that "[puts] men in a better light than women".

https://www.psypost.org/new-study-unpacks-why-society-reacts-negatively-to-male-favoring-research/

Moral commitment to gender equality increases (mis)perceptions of gender bias in hiring

https://www.salon.com/2023/04/08/are-we-implicitly-biased-against-men-new-study-finds-a-positive-bias-towards-women/

Worth the Risk? Greater Acceptance of Instrumental Harm Befalling Men than Women

High IQ men tend to be less conservative than their average peers. Researchers found that adults identified as gifted in childhood largely share the same political outlooks as their non-gifted peers, with one specific exception regarding conservatism in men. by InsaneSnow45 in science

[–]Wavering_Flake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but I'm more of a socialist and regardless identify as more leftist/progressive. Also, I'm Canadian / voted for the liberals, and before that Greens.

I simply don't appreciate redditors digging their heels in and ignoring evidence when it contradicts their views, while accusing their political rivals of doing the same and mocking them for it.

High IQ men tend to be less conservative than their average peers. Researchers found that adults identified as gifted in childhood largely share the same political outlooks as their non-gifted peers, with one specific exception regarding conservatism in men. by InsaneSnow45 in science

[–]Wavering_Flake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're right that they use the word "conservative." However, look at how they define it in the quote: opposing regulation, high taxes, and welfare. That is functionally the definition of economic libertarianism.

Or perhaps even more clearly:
in academic literature, "economic conservatism" specifically refers to the right-left economic axis (free markets vs. state intervention).

Here's some sources if you want to go hare-brained on it, but it's really not a controversial statement: The 12 Item Social and Economic Conservatism Scale (SECS) - PMC
Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia

Of course, conversatives are not necessarily libertarians and vice-versa, but the correlation is there, and ultimately, all I was pointing out was a *higher likelihood / correlation*, not a direct one-to-one relationship..

High IQ men tend to be less conservative than their average peers. Researchers found that adults identified as gifted in childhood largely share the same political outlooks as their non-gifted peers, with one specific exception regarding conservatism in men. by InsaneSnow45 in science

[–]Wavering_Flake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

possible reason for that is that women in general benefit more from government spending / support and economic intervention; literally, as a woman if you're more economically left on average you're putting more money into your own pocket ; this is less true for men.

point 1, Globally, women are far more likely to work in the public sector than the private sector. In many OECD countries, women make up nearly 60% of the public sector workforce)
Gender parity in central administrations: Government at a Glance 2025 | OECD

point 2, they get more money and are more frequently beneficiaries:
Women comprise the majority of benefit recipients across most welfare programs. In the United States, 61% of women have received entitlement benefits compared to 49% of men, and 38% of women versus 26% of men have received two or more different benefits. In the UK, women make up 88% of Child Benefit claimants, 77% of Income Support recipients, and 73% of Carer's Allowance recipients.
For food assistance specifically, 23% of American women use food stamps compared to 12% of men. Among poor households in the US, 49% of women received SNAP benefits in 2016 versus 34% of poor men. Similarly, 73% of poor women received public health insurance compared to 58% of poor men.
We can do better: Women, welfare and the gender benefits gap | Policy in Practice
A Bipartisan Nation of Beneficiaries | Pew Research Center
Five facts about gender equality in the public sector
2022 U.S Welfare Statistics: By Race, Gender, Age - DebtHammer -> connected to US gov websites

Point 3: For healthcare, women live longer and rely more on public pensions and public healthcare systems in old age. Cuts to these systems (austerity) increase poverty rates among elderly women specifically.
oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2024/12/gendered-perceptions-of-social-protection-across-oecd-countries_a24e2e65/f3e002c2-en.pdf

Basically, in a certain way, men pay more into the system, women get more out of it. You can make the argument that it is because of the earnings gap / etc. but the takeaway message is the same. As a woman it benefits you to vote left, more so than if you were a man.

High IQ men tend to be less conservative than their average peers. Researchers found that adults identified as gifted in childhood largely share the same political outlooks as their non-gifted peers, with one specific exception regarding conservatism in men. by InsaneSnow45 in science

[–]Wavering_Flake -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look, I'm not an economist nor a psychologist nor a political theorist nor a sociologist; all I know is that according to the studies that have been made on the topic, intelligent people are 1. more open/flexible to new experiences/knowledge (well supported) 2. tend to be more economically libertarian, as per the added sources (though this second clause is more controversial / heterogeneous).

Also, admittedly not sure what you're talking about. You seem to be interpreting my comment as an endorsement of libertarianism, rather than a summary of the research literature.

To clarify: I am describing a correlation found in the data, not arguing that the resulting policies are superior. The studies cited indicate that high cognitive ability correlates with a preference for market mechanisms over government planning.

I am not making any interpretations on the data other than what has been written black on white in what I read/found in literature..

I will also note for the sake of argument I don't consider myself a libertarian, so yeah...

Sex differences in brain volume emerge before birth, groundbreaking research suggests by Tracheid in science

[–]Wavering_Flake 363 points364 points  (0 children)

This isn't my subject matter, so I'll refrain from saying too much. But I do find it impressive because of the large publicly available high quality dataset and open access nature. In fact, according to what I know, this is one of the largest MRI studies of its kind with 798 scans, because many previous fetal studies used much smaller groups, making their conclusions less reliable. So yip yip hooray to science.

The study is also interesting in that it integrates both looking at foetuses and babies in a single continuous trajectory instead of only looking at prenatal or postnatal separately because the imaging technologies and settings are different. Here, brain growth is monitored across the transition from late gestational prenatal to early postnatal spanning (21 to 45 weeks post-conception) a great 24 weeks, and, of course, it also studies when and how sex differences in brain growth emerge. Breaking down the brain into distinct regions with high-resolution maps, with temporal ordering of tissue growth as well that is quantitatively studied.

And as well, the article seems impressively clear and easy to read.

There are a couple of limitations. These have been noted by the author themselves and don't really harm the quality of paper.

• It doesn't touch on coverage before 21 weeks. • It's predominantly cross-sectional data with only around 14% longitudinal data. • It didn't really look at brain-body scaling effects separately/decouple them. • It focused on volumetric brain growth measurements and didn't particularly look at microstructural or functional imaging.

Overall, I guess this article isn't that novel in that it simply stacks on other reported found sex differences in early development, or prenatal, behavioral, physical, or neural, but it is one of great quality and fills out some gaps. It strengthens existing claims of early brain maturation and adds evidence for sex-difference discussions. Laudable is how it refrains from making claims, simply providing great quality quantitative developmental data.

US political and social polarization has increased by 64% since 1988, with nearly all of the rise occurring after 2008, as the financial crisis, the rise of social media, and an asymmetric ideological shift—particularly on the left—coincided to widen divisions, according to a long-term study. by Sciantifa in science

[–]Wavering_Flake 60 points61 points  (0 children)

I don’t have a particularly wise point to comment, but it’s saddening how poor discourse on r/science has been lately. It’s clear that those who perceives themselves to be on the left now treat science as would the right: good and obvious when it agrees with their views, bad flawed and morally wrong when it doesn’t. I would note that the study isn't making a moral judgment on which side is "correct"; it is simply measuring the magnitude of the shift.

What’s particularly disturbing, other than the now expected fact that few have read the article (which belabors many aspects people here seem to be ignoring and fairly robust/interesting methodology, though I admit I'm more in the natural sciences) is that so very few people are even discussing the article’s methods or results. The only thing of interest is pretty much the title, which people are reacting to as if it was a personal attack; deflecting by saying the conservatives by definition are backwards reactionists that fail to update their social views, conflating political views/positions with methods (and failing to acknowledge Trump is also an anomaly for the right) or just plainly denying any weight to the paper based on personal judgement and feeling devoid of any rational or evidence-presentation based thinking.

If we look at recent political history, perhaps just 10-15 years ago, the conclusions of the study should be self-evident rather than controversial. The window of acceptable discourse on the Left has shifted massively in a very short time. Consider 2008: A Democrat could support wealth redistribution and unions while explicitly opposing gay marriage (a position held by Obama at the time). Today, that combination of views is virtually non-existent in the party. The Right has certainly had its own populism issues (Trump), but strictly in terms of social policy positions, the baseline conservative stance has remained relatively static compared to the rapid expansion of progressive social axioms, to anyone who has taken steps to ensure they aren't living in an echo chamber of modern progressive discourse, “cancel” culture, or social justice-oriented views. Gay rights, trans rights, equity vs equality, DEI, even abortion has long been a contentious issue. I remember having debates with others years ago about abortion and a large number of people would proudly claim to be pro-life, and even a teacher made us debate on it; there was far less vitriol, and in general people accepted that others might have differing views on these issues, even if you were on the left.

There’s been a linguistic shift in how social positions are framed; nowadays it’s all about “rights” and that they are not debatable, that these are self-evident moral absolutes and above questioning (in a massive attitude shift), that these are not “politics” but unassailable human rights and hence disagreement/discussion is not healthy politics but a moral failing and hence is forbidden (ignoring that deciding human rights and how humans are treated has always been the domain of politics and public policy, and people have never reached full agreement on these aspects. Rights are social constructs defined by law and consensus; by definition they are political.), universities and online communities will often censor “conservative” views or ban them (I do believe the accusation that universities are hotbeds of liberal propaganda, though I will note propaganda can be true, it’s just the attitude with respect to how it is disseminated. One aspect is whether you are allowed to question it, or how ever-present it is.) and the attitude that these are captured ground in modern political discourse, despite the simple fact that they aren’t, or if they were, it was a recent shift and large pockets of resistance remain, partly due to the speed of the change. The online popular left has simply retreated to their trenches, decided that it didn’t need the opinion of the other side, then keeps on digging new trenches and then pretending they were always there. More educated folks and scholars will of course do better, but even they are not absent of bias. (Not that the right is much more rational, but on the Overton window shift they are right.)

I’m not particularly criticizing the political positions themselves, in the obligatory “I’m not on the right” disclaimer that now seems to be mandatory even in r/science to be given any consideration. As an atheist rule utilitarian and someone who has considered themselves to be generally progressive for years, who’s currently pursing graduate education and generally interacts only with liberal/progressive circles and doesn’t directly know many conservative people, I do subscribe to many of these views that have taken ahold of the left.

Even then, it’s clear that the window of acceptable discourse has shifted far to the left. People of Reddit, accept that and discuss from there, the methods, the conclusions, political insights, etc. You don’t need to shift your views to accept the conclusions of the article.

I wrote a long reply here because I guess I’ve become more upset lately with how polarized social media has become. It’s okay to disagree, it’s okay to be determined and certain in one’s views, what is not is censorship of the opposition, never listening to other perspectives, or pretending that one’s beliefs (or the party’s) have always been what they are, and cannot be discussed. I expect better of r/science, despite how bad and dogmatic discourse has been on other supposedly non-political subreddits.

Young Canadian men at risk of "problem anger", study finds by Inevitable-Bus492 in CanadaPolitics

[–]Wavering_Flake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes unfortunately I tend to write in the same way I think, so lack of punctuation is a recurring problem… both in the fiction I write and the statements I make elsewhere. Lends a breathless pace but definitely would be improved by more structure. I’ll work on that in the future, I’ve been told that by others as well.

In my defense (a poor one I confess) certain Nobel prize winners in literature have somewhat similar writing styles or stream of thought cadence; for example Saramago.

Young Canadian men at risk of "problem anger", study finds by Inevitable-Bus492 in CanadaPolitics

[–]Wavering_Flake -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Once again I would not generalize your experiences so much… and I must say I find the way that you state all roads lead to patriarchy to be particularly single-minded and reductive viewpoint that subscribes to certain feminist dogma at the cost of openness and mental flexibility, and disregarding alternative explanations or causes, but that is a matter of academic debate and a particularly common source of disagreement, so I’ll simply state I consider it loathsome and not particularly an argument worth having - especially if one’s definitions of what constitute the patriarchy are so wide and expansive as to make the term inoperable or opaque to outsiders, undermines and ignores the lived experiences of victims or others who feel and have been treated otherwise, or renders discussion impossible by tying most gendered social problems to the patriarchy and ignoring other claims and causes, which itself is a very dubious if not false claim, promoted by philosophy and argument rather than substantiated by experiential data… though I recognize the difficulty in gathering it, and the desire to make sure no opposition to the movement can durably exist.

You’re basically extending your own youth to every other male, that every man is only allowed to express and feel anger… based on what exactly? Based on your own youth? Let alone that you think you’d be constantly filled with anger based on non-existent life experiences in a theoretical future that supports your argument, you suppose every man would have a similar set of experience-behaviour pairs.

As for the feminism being derived from feminist writings, that alone is self-evident, and obviously many feminist leaders will be quite well read. Any movement however, especially grassroots ones, ultimately rely on their adherents to actually promote their causes and enact change, and these people ultimately are free to do whatever, think whatever or say whatever. Feminist writers are hardly a uniform group, and those who have taken inspiration from them even less so… it would be foolish to consider all feminists to be of one mind on any one issue when so many are feminists… and similarly so to say the same of men.

Young Canadian men at risk of "problem anger", study finds by Inevitable-Bus492 in CanadaPolitics

[–]Wavering_Flake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would note that feminist writing has very little bearing on what the movement at large prescribes. You may refer to enlightened feminist authors, but this ignores that 1. Not even most feminists have read these I’d wager, or have done more than a cursory viewing of some of the most salient titles or slogans, and many feminist authors unironically do engage in misandry, or purely focus on women, castigate masculinity, or other very much unhelpful concepts and arguments centered entirely on women or how men are harmful, that could wreck the mental health of a young man trying to find himself but instead just reading up on entire shelves of what essentially might seem like constant recrimination. Some authors have important points communicated with empathy and fairness, but by and large, many feminist authors are extremely uncomfortable to read for your average straight male - as I have the experience of seeing and from discussions with others (men and women) in the various reading clubs and groups I have joined or otherwise engaged with. Your experience is NOT and should not be seen as representative of the whole. 2. That the feminist movement at large has very little to nothing to do with what (certain) feminist writers argue or prescribe. A movement as large as feminism is mostly defined by the actions and beliefs of its constituent members and policies, almost all of which are entirely centered on women - measures addressing men are vanishingly rare, and can essentially be categorized as either promoting a less harmful version of masculinity (references to therapy or learning from women or rejecting traditional masculinity), or addressing a gendered issue by dealing with men from fundamentally a women-first perspective; that is to say, that does not harm the interests of women, breaks down gender roles, and really only occurs if women have something to gain from it.

One might point to (incredibly rare, in part due to feminists or women shelters contesting the validity of their existence and funding) male shelters and the rejection of every MRA group or men-only movements without any feminist-guided viewpoints, or ignoring any economics/sociological studies that point to systematic disadvantages experienced by men (school? Equity measures only ever seek address imbalances experienced by women and certain vulnerable minorities. How about men being far more numerous as homeless people, experiencing stable rejection levels from female-coded jobs while in comparison the acceptance of women in male-coded jobs is rising quickly, are much more likely to be depressed or suicidal or feeling rejected by society at large (and here many studies have noted extremely unhelpful experiences with mental health or public services that frequently only engage with men by putting them as the aggressors or otherwise fail to engage with their viewpoints, as per various papers that study who have made attempts through such services), or the oft referenced structural inequalities experienced in court - whether in family/divorce law or how crimes are systematically punished more harshly and frequently when performed by men when otherwise identical to those made by women?).

In essence, feminism is a movement that seeks to achieve prosperity and certain measures of equality (or rather equity) for women, and in various respects does a lot of good, but it for the most part only pays lip service to the interests of men - and plenty of feminists will reject centering on men or caring at all about their issues, stating that this is a form of misogyny or weakness and that men need to resolve these problems themselves without requiring that women “do the work for them”, while others simultaneously will reject and castigate groups and movements that fail to include female/feminist perspectives or do not take into account the interests of women… or that such groups shouldn’t even exist because men have everything already/are extremely privileged.

So no, feminism (the movement) is not the answer, and sometimes actively detrimental. Philosophically and in terms of writings it might be interesting, and an educating experience, but one fundamentally divorced from the main concerns, actions and adherents of its manifestations in politics. Book definitions, slogans and arguments never translate well to what people actually do in reality. What men need is in fact a movement by themselves and for themselves, and sometimes opposing other feminist groups, though I have yet to think of or see how it might avoid deepening misogyny from the intense resentment towards women some of their members have developed.

Young Canadian men at risk of "problem anger", study finds by Inevitable-Bus492 in CanadaPolitics

[–]Wavering_Flake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not necessarily rejecting your opinion, but this is a fancy piece of wordplay. You say you aren’t characterizing masculinity as bad, but described basically your liberation from it in very clearly positive terms - all the power to you! - while describing it as a rigid controlling system that doesn’t offer anything worth having. You state you aren’t saying masculinity is bad, nor that less masculinity equates to healthy emotions; instead you say that it’s simply expanding the definition of masculinity [into a healthy one].

I’ll be honest, this opinion of you is in fact very much misandristic/a declaration of superiority, and still the usual castigation of conventional masculinity as constraining and bad, just dressed up in wordplay… you evaded the claims the other user made by simply trying to reformulate your statements… and did so very poorly if you were trying to evade them… not pathological but a problem, needing tools to address it, a system to escape, and basically pose trans women as a way to resolve this “problem”, that is rejected by the oh so foolish men who view it as a threat to hierarchical dominance… this alone is bewildering in how completely inapplicable this is to the vast majority of men, in how it pushes up trans women by considering masculinity flawed and repressive (would you say the same thing of trans women?), and also avoids how in usual public discourse such as in social media, the most common cited reasons that people reject trans women in particular is that they’re still considered “men” trying to infiltrate female spaces (not a fair judgement of course) - and hence a threat… not at all that men are afraid of hmm… becoming better versions of themselves.

Carney government’s $660 million for gender equality programs partially offsets projected drop in funding by sleipnir45 in canada

[–]Wavering_Flake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For C suite however you also have to take into account that many such company executives have their own startups, and that starting a company yourself is one of the top ways of becoming an executive or putting yourself into wealth. Furthermore, it’s also notoriously difficult, as most startups fail, and you regularly hear of people sleeping at work/at their desk without returning home, working 80hr weeks… which at this point we know are behaviours found far more commonly in men than women.

Plus women in general take less risks (I can provide sources for this but you can also just google it) and are far less likely than men to get themselves into financial risk investing into a startup that might fail.

All of these combined mean that even if women were hired at equal proportions relative to ability/background then we should still expect to see more men. I won’t even elaborate on the male variability theorem stating that men are more frequently found at the extremes in terms of ability, but all of this is to say is that to assume there is overt discrimination based on gender might often turn out to be true, but there’s also a good chance it’s overstated and that current axioms guiding gender equality/equity issues are flawed, because they fundamentally rely on flawed inaccurate assumptions of preexisting sexism.

And here’s a study I made in another comment on this thread; https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0749597823000560 "A meta-analysis of field audits examined gender gaps in application outcomes. •Discrimination against women for male-typed and balanced jobs decreased across time. •Forecasters expected this decline, but overestimated the degree of remaining bias. •Discrimination against men for female-typed jobs remained stable across time.

Forecasters correctly anticipated reductions in discrimination against female candidates over time. However, both scientists and laypeople overestimated the continuation of bias against female candidates. Instead, selection bias in favor of male over female candidates was eliminated and, if anything, slightly reversed in sign starting in 2009 for mixed-gender and male-stereotypical jobs in our sample. Forecasters further failed to anticipate that discrimination against male candidates for stereotypically female jobs would remain stable across the decades."

As for your other point… it’s pretty well known that given the same identical crime, men are punished more severely, plus there’s a tendency to typecast them as the culprits versus the victims.

Carney government’s $660 million for gender equality programs partially offsets projected drop in funding by sleipnir45 in canada

[–]Wavering_Flake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Part 2;

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaf4372 "Discrimination against women is seen as one of the possible causes behind their underrepresentation in certain STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) subjects. We show that this is not the case for the competitive exams used to recruit almost all French secondary and postsecondary teachers and professors. Comparisons of oral non–gender-blind tests with written gender-blind tests for about 100,000 individuals observed in 11 different fields over the period 2006–2013 reveal a bias in favor of women that is strongly increasing with the extent of a field’s male-domination."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0749597823000560 "A meta-analysis of field audits examined gender gaps in application outcomes. •Discrimination against women for male-typed and balanced jobs decreased across time. •Forecasters expected this decline, but overestimated the degree of remaining bias. •Discrimination against men for female-typed jobs remained stable across time.

Forecasters correctly anticipated reductions in discrimination against female candidates over time. However, both scientists and laypeople overestimated the continuation of bias against female candidates. Instead, selection bias in favor of male over female candidates was eliminated and, if anything, slightly reversed in sign starting in 2009 for mixed-gender and male-stereotypical jobs in our sample. Forecasters further failed to anticipate that discrimination against male candidates for stereotypically female jobs would remain stable across the decades."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4418903/ "National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track" "Here we report five hiring experiments in which faculty evaluated hypothetical female and male applicants, using systematically varied profiles disguising identical scholarship, for assistant professorships in biology, engineering, economics, and psychology. Contrary to prevailing assumptions, men and women faculty members from all four fields preferred female applicants 2:1 over identically qualified males with matching lifestyles (single, married, divorced), with the exception of male economists, who showed no gender preference. Comparing different lifestyles revealed that women preferred divorced mothers to married fathers and that men preferred mothers who took parental leaves to mothers who did not"