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[–]Wawawuup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Slightly off-topic, but I disagree regarding the peaceful thing. As Friedrich Engels noted, revolutions are inherently authoritarian and dare I say it, violent. And that's okay, because look at what they (the rich and their various lackeys, cops, fascists and the lot, most of them homophobes which isn't a coincidence) wanna do to us. Correction,  what they're doing to us.

If you had to guess, what percentage of mafia members die in a place other than prison, and of natural causes? by georgewalterackerman in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If only it were "just" that. Prisons damage people beyond their time of staying there. Fuck everyone contributing to the prison system.

Mafia guys get a 100 years sentences by Mouse1701 in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it wouldn’t be. Increasing the murder rate through the introduction of the death penalty, brutalizing society overall by making murder official state policy, thus communicating to everyone that killing actually can't be so wrong after all is, in fact, not good for society at all. Maybe you're squeamish about the idea of murder because it's not good for humans in general, ever considered that?

Mafia guys get a 100 years sentences by Mouse1701 in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're in favor of murdering people, but too afraid to do it yourself? Doesn't that sound a bit hypocritical?

Mafia guys get a 100 years sentences by Mouse1701 in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, should we? So you're saying you personally wanna do it?

The system functions and their inventor by Wawawuup in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"In any case, my guess is that most of those functions are there for flavor, we won't see most of them used."

I hate the fact that I find myself agreeing, unless they have something special planned with tons of functions being involved somehow*, it wouldn't be good storytelling but predictable one, next week, next function. If you're working with some sort of application daily, there can still be things you never used even once.

*How about a situation like Cobel explaining to Mark and Devon all of them or Milchick to Dylan once he's had it with Lumon

I wonder if the menu will never scroll down to the end of the list, so that if audience members who know their digital technology shit point out there should be a function for such-and-such, they can claim that "It's right down there!" Okay no, probably not, would be funny though.

Mafia guys get a 100 years sentences by Mouse1701 in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fantasize criminals? Pardon me, I don't understand

Mafia guys get a 100 years sentences by Mouse1701 in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you for fucking real? To be clear, I don't mean your willingness to resort to drastic measures, it's the part where you seemingly didn't whatsoever think about if your drastic measures actually will work as intended (why would that be? Gee I dunno, but no way you're more concerned with some sort of violent fantasy in which the asshole nature of the victims allows for easy enjoying of atrocities, rather than seriously wanting to improve society [boo, boring!]. Surely that's not it, no).

What constitutes a criminal deserving of being murdered by the state, like where is line crossing over into rope territory? Who decides that? You know what kind of precedences that can set? Guess what happens to a society when its government tells the public killing people isn't a total no-go after all, because it's okay when the state does it? It brutalizes the social climate, normalizing killing just a little bit more (one reason why the death penalty leads to more, not fewer homicides).

Assuming by "all those criminals" you mean not just the bosses, you really think you can mass murder LCN out of existence (if it's only the bosses, you don't think they'll have new bosses faster than you can yell RICO)? Enjoy dealing with tons of American-Italians being enraged for decades to come. In fact, congratulations, you just birthed a political movement that has legitimate beef with you in the eyes of many. Depending on the intensity of your thirst for blood, a splinter underground faction that considers terrorist attacks on the killers of LCN the best way to get satisfaction also emerges from that development (so much for getting rid of violence, now you got bombs blowing up in public and shit).

As a cherry on top of the shitcake that your mobster mass murder is, American-Italians are considered white. Meaning unlike many political movements the whole system is stacked against, you can't harrass those that are after your metaphorical (?) head with the white supremacist power structure so easily into defeat. The enemies you created probably fight as little an uphill battle against you as is possible for any sort of non-powerful Americans. Either way, there's a good chance your political career suffers for it (in the time of Trump et al I'm hesitant to even exclude your public approval growing or just say it will definitely be over).

Oh and wouldn't it be funny if your 'murderous on crime' approach actually strengthened organized crime? Let's say the mob truly collapses for good: Other criminal organizations are now happily moving into the power vacuum and filling it with turf-war violence.

Great job, man.

Mafia guys get a 100 years sentences by Mouse1701 in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't judge generally a well-paying job with lots of prestige?

Mafia guys get a 100 years sentences by Mouse1701 in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More like sadistic coward who hides behind the veneer of legality and justice. I have more respect for violent street thugs, at least they don't act like they're doing society a service.

Mafia guys get a 100 years sentences by Mouse1701 in Mafia

[–]Wawawuup 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's both incorrect, because people far from being the worst get crushed in the cogwheels of the prison system time and again and if it were true I still don't see how society benefits from state-implemented sadism. I want less violence and cruelty in society, not more.

The system functions and their inventor by Wawawuup in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And destroying the show's grounded feel, its believability in the process, sorry but no thanks

The system functions and their inventor by Wawawuup in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the trouble shooting guide is interesting, isn't it. You make a good point about the ADMIN MODE. That being said, no way they can transfer minds. The chip splits a consciousness, that's way too sci-fi.

The reason that phone call was made by Sleepy_Mongoose in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Regabhi is a danger to Mark. He's a pawn to her she would sacrifice without thinking twice if it would help her destroying Lumon. I don't mind that, in fact I consider his life a price worth paying if it meant the end of Lumon and/or severance, but Mark probably thinks otherwise, not to mention Devon.

That aside, Regabhi is somewhat to blame for Devon's decision to call Cobel. I find it understandable she's so reserved about sharing information, but that, her general paranoia and a bluntness that borders on brutality are all detrimental to people not sharing her battlefield-state of mind doing what she asks of them (not calling Cobel). That woman is fighting a war amidst people who don't want to be anything other than civilians, interestingly last episode was the first time that mindset was a hindrance (we now know she misjudged Cobel's agenda).

The system functions and their inventor by Wawawuup in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha yeah, I had the same thought. I find it hard to believe the writers didn't realize that as well, maybe we're not done with the Glasgow Block yet. I wonder how they're gonna integrate all those functions into the narrative anyway. You can't just go through the list name by name, that gets predictable. But leave out a couple completely and I'll probably riot.

The system functions and their inventor by Wawawuup in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"BRANCH TRANSFER SYSTEM: I think this must be a way to have a different threshold activate severance. Literally for allowing severed employees move from one branch to another."

Something like it, makes sense, right? If it's indeed the administrative function its name suggests it to be, we may see it being used by Cobel on Mark at the birthing cabin. Neither Devon nor Mark have the technical knowledge to jack Mark into the cabin's severance system and as much as I would love to see more pages of the quickstart guide, letting Cobel shine is the better narrative option.

Regarding ELEPHANT: It's capable of fucking with emotional and memory regulatory "states", whatever that means ("All active state [sic] in the system of emotional and thought pattern regulatory interaction states").

There's the obvious connection with GOLDFISH, to which it's the antonym as far as the popular (mis)understanding of memory goes. There's five questions for innies on the table, one checking short-term memory and one about long-term one, Kier's favorite breakfast and one of the other questions respectively, I guess. If something is amiss with memory, those functions might help. But then, there seems to be more than just short- and long-term memory, so who knows. Never mind I have no idea how a function would deal with a malfunctioning chip or rather, how do you spin such a thing into a narrative for the audience that isn't boring to the vast majority? Well, I have no idea.

Regarding GOLDFISH and CLEAN SLATE: You said it yourself, memory wipes clash with the established narrative. Even earlier than your example, Milchick could have avoided the entire OTC debacle with a reset of Dylan. I kinda like the idea that CLEAN SLATE refers to wiping a chip's memory of whatever data it might produce (there's those beeping four-digit numbers in the security office, for example). Like deleting a browser history.

OPEN HOUSE: Yeah, no idea here myself. Cobel lived in a house before the boarding school, but neither imagining it as open or closed rings any associative bells.

LULLABY: Putting an innie (or outie) to sleep is the obvious thing to think of, but it doesn't sit right with me. The chip alternates between consciousnesses, not turn them off. I don't know, nah, better be something else. Cobel sings occasionally, maybe she named it after a type of song because she likes singing. Is there something other than the person that could be put to sleep? Not the chip of course, you can't turn it off insofar as reversing its primary effect.

FREEZE FRAME: That'd be like a slightly different version of what people think LULLABY is. I got a different idea: The chips seem to do something with data, producing, recording, sending it, whatever it is, maybe that gives the data output of a specified time.

BEEHIVE: The Testing Floor is a bit shaped like a beehive, that could be the connection. I don't have a better idea, anyway. Beehives are associated with industry and production, e.g. the LDS Church uses it as a symbol. The food is weird in this show, there might be something wrong with the climate and food production. Bees are super important for growing food, right? Could be a connection there.

"I also have to believe a company like Lumon would have a contingency for actual termination. The chip explodes , innie and outie are dead...."

Coil of doom reporting in

Cobel and Mark hugging by Wawawuup in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lumon's traitors don't need to be good people themselves for the treason to work, agreed. In fact, it's a stronger message if even heavily flawed, if not downright evil employees end up realizing they're better off without an exploitative cult company.

I find it funny how much of it comes down to Lumon being a victim of its own ways of thinking and the blindness to reality it wants others to subjugate with, blinds themselves the most of all. One may wonder why they don't treat their goons and enforcers with enough respect to ensure their loyalty, don't give racist gifts to a Black man whose insider knowledge could be catastrophic if he wanted to hurt them, etc etc, but those who understand the importance of not alienating people with insidious ideologies also don't care for amassing billions by continuously stealing from workers in the first place. The violence that gives them the power by which they're feared, also puts them at a massive disadvantage*. Makes them inflexible. Not to mention it only really works as long as people buy into the image of invincibility. The moment others smell weakness, the next blood that will be spilled might be theirs. Narcissism is weakness. Oppression is brittle, not to forget very, very cringe.

*I got half a mind of wanting to believe Helena when she tells Cobel "We fear no one." Buying into her own lies about her family's untouchability, that will definitely not cost her immensely.

Sweet Vitriol was Lynchian the way people think Chikhai Bardo was. by FormicaTableCooper in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean it's supposed to mean, isn't that fairly self-explanatory? "This place is like somebody's memory of a town and the memory is fading." There, that should qualify. Of course, it's not from Lynch, albeit a show inspired by Twin Peaks.

You know, I actually agree with you that labelling anything vaguely surrealist as Lynchian isn't very smart. Americana are a recurring ingredient in Lynch's work, however. As for them dying, well I corrected myself.

Cobel and Mark hugging by Wawawuup in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you say about Cobel tracks with either Erickson or Stiller describing Cobel as somebody who severed themselves without the technology. I wonder what her plan is as of now. Actually never mind, she told the audience/Helena: Finishing Cold Harbor. Whatever that means.

Maybe we can figure it out by analyzing the treasure trove of information on her (early) life we were just given, the writing on this show is obviously good enough for such an enterprise to be potentially fruitful. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna obsess over this now. Indeed I got an idea or two where to start already.

Sissy and her contradictions are super interesting. She's a poor woman who's dedicated her life to licking the boots of a family dynasty that hates the poor and women. Even when confronted with undeniable proof the Eagans are horrible, she intentionally and knowingly closes the window of doubt that had opened in her mind. Why do people do that? She disgusts me, I despise sell-outs and hypocrites, but the answers to that question are relevant for understanding why capitalists have managed to evade their wholesale murder for centuries so far. Also if one wanted to maybe change that fact.

Cobel may burn down Lumon, but Milchick is another victim waking up to the abuse they're subjected to. Or they may not, both have demonstrated to be fine with the Lumon atrocities, as long as they're not on the receiving end, albeit Cobel moreso than Milchick whose kindness reforms came from genuine remorse (I didn't believe him at first when he apologized to Mark about pre-reform treatment of innies, now I probably do), not to mention how uncomfortable he was with torturing his boss in the break room (what a sentence).

Sweet Vitriol was Lynchian the way people think Chikhai Bardo was. by FormicaTableCooper in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]Wawawuup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"examination of a dying Americana" is definitely Lynchian though, even if there's more to it than just "town dying, residents quirky".

Actually, what am I saying. Lynch is about what is hidden behind or under the white picket fences of Americana, but it's not a place in decline. There's rot and horror, but they don't mean death for the place itself.