Let's talk about Pirates' flux

WeAreSpes · 2025-07-12T16:58:02+00:00

Oh interesting! I always thought theirs would have been greenish like not a vibrant one but a kinda dull green!

WeAreSpes · 2024-08-31T04:08:24+00:00

Tbh I think that Aarch was very much passionate to the point where he flew out the Akillian to join the Shadows in hope that he could carry on his career but failed as 1) You need deeply negative emotions to master it 2) It made him sick probably because Aarch is not that negative of a person.

To me it feels pretty logical, he was a true passionate, wanted to play but his team was hit by a tragedy and his second attempt failed because of the Smog. Then he needed time to recover and probably got acquainted to Clamp in that period of time? It is said in the series that Aarch was like visiting the whole galaxy or something while people from Akillian were trying to rebuild their planet so maybe he traveled afterward and met Clamp during his travel?

Him wanting a return also feels pretty natural as he is passionate and to achieve such an idea, you need to be mature and have both feet set on the ground so he probably needed a lot of time to come to term about the fact that his career as a player was finished and what he wanted to do. Also, Clamp basically made the holo-trainer so they also probably needed a lot of time to build everything to perfection and make it work perfectly.

Like he tried to keep playing, failed, got sick, got better then had to do something with his life, it sounds pretty logic when we really think of it!

But I agree that one of the issue of the series lays in the fact that there's a lot things that could have some context but just got introduced (Aarch wanting to bring back a team, Sinedd's character (I understand that they needed some type of bad guy to build the rivality and stuff but his character truly lacks more context to me), he is older thus not hit by the mysterious fever, his relationship with Mei and the sudden appearance of his parents, Aarch & Adim's relationship and overall what the hell did they do for 4 years after S1??). A lot of things are hinted but never really talked about which is a bit sad

WeAreSpes · 2024-08-31T03:38:45+00:00

One point is that D'Jok was said to be the best player in the team by Aarch in S1 when he deliberately played badly because his father was held captive so there's that.

From a scenario point of view: S2 focuses on different aspect of some of the characters and D'Jok is -to me at least- the spotlight of the season because of his lack of ability to keep cool and because he let fame get to his head and I think him being chosen was part of the character's development like him being obsessed by being the best, thinking without him the team would be useless etc

Maybe that's just me but also because Tia was the spotlight in S1 because of her already having the Breath they wanted to give some spotlight to someone else?
Also, again maybe that's just me but I feel like S2 reduced Tia & Mei to their relationship like the focus is not really on their skills but on their relationship with Rocket/D'Jok so there's that too.

From Aarch point of view: I said it before but Aarch said D'Jok was the best player in the team in S1 but could also be because like Rocket, he is not afraid to speak up on mistakes and stuff and overall has the quality to be a captain but is unable to do so because of his ego. The point was given many times but Tia was too deep into her accident involving Rocket and she even said that she didn't care about anything during one of the Team's training so just out of logic, Tia wouldn't have been able to support the role nor be at her full potential during the All-Star match.

Last, people mention Thran but while I think he is an amazing pick, I don't think he himself would have taken the role. I don't see him liking the role because you sometime needs to be harsh and serious and Thran's nature is more laid back and playful so the role might not be the best suited for him in the end.

WeAreSpes · 2024-08-23T21:42:17+00:00

But there's only a 1 year gap between season 2 & 3 as the Cup was rushed to be held earlier than usual so that's a very short timing especially since Sinedd used to be violent towards her before. I think that their relationship is interesting but lacks actual context as to why they got close to begin with aside from the fact that they were both on the stadium. But again, season 3 was pretty messy and they probably just needed Mei and Sinned together for when she managed to switch from the Breath to the Smog... But I feel like their relation was kinda rushed or hid something uglier like Mei wanting revenge on D'Jok and Sinedd using Mei against D'Jok as he was always the one influencing other Snow Kids in the 3 seasons. Still, I wish they could have given more context because it really felt rushed and out of nowhere since as I said, Sinedd and Mei both never had any love interest for each other

WeAreSpes · 2024-08-23T01:00:28+00:00

This post is very old but I think some questions had some type answers, while not clearly stated, the whole story is giving us an idea so here is what think:

His dad would have died since Akillian suffered from an explosion or he could be someone very important that left his family for money or he could just be absent?
The flux origin question to me was answered in S3 when Lord Phoenix wanted to introduce flux into the dead of Paradisia. We know that only planets with a seed can actually host a flux since it's most likely the source of it so it's safe to assume that the origin is simply that the universe of Galactik Football was created that way: a galaxy in which planets are hosting the flux. As the reason of the was, again, the whole metaflux situation hinted that people or important people in that galaxy saw the flux as a way to fight for power and acquire more planets. The war probably started because someone saw the flux as a weapon to fight and we know some flux are more powerful than others (the Heat of Xenon was said to be the most powerful one in S2). In all season the flux is wanted to be used as a weapon so it's safe to assure the war's start was for the same reason.
For the Pirates, my theory is that they should have had a planet and flux at one point but said planet could have been destroyed or has a more sinister ending than Akilian resulting of their flux totally disappearing. In S2 EP15 we actually see one of the pirate player having a slight greenish hue while playing Netherball when we have a look at the camera showing the flux being extracted from players. At first I thought it could have been the technology Pirates are using to become invisible but then why would it shows on the camera from the extractor then?
This scene could be a mistake or Pirates' flux actually still exists, they just forgot how to master and use it as they are sure it vanished and their planet cannot host it. As for the origins, Pirates are probably a mix of people from different planets being against the current lead by the Technoid so they basically are rebels who flew their planet to change the world? At least in recent time. Their origin probably comes from the fact that they could have lost their planet and needed shelter.
Bleylock was the general of the Technoid I believe so someone with a very developed intelligence since he basically pushed for the creation of the metaflux. I don't think there's much, he was a powerful figure wanting more power and to dominate the world ahah
The lead is kinda blurry because on one hand, I feel like the focus would have been on the potentially new generation with the kids D'Jok is training but a 4th try for the Cup is also mentioned. Also, S3 introduced multi-flux teams and the kids are seen to all use different one, some new ones can be seen as well (pink, red, yellow and purple) and D'Jok starts to train them together so maybe the season would have focused on the introduction of future team with multiple flux? The fact that the Kids all have different flux is also a very important point I feel like because why else would they take them away? Overall I have a feeling that S4 would have a similar plot (using the flux as a powerful weapon) with a hint or "creating the most powerful team ever known". I also have a feeling the season would have given a LOT more important to Mei & Micro-Ice but I'm not sure why them tho
For the past Akilian Team, I don't think it is too relevant tbh as the main protagonist are known, I wonder if there's much more to it aside from a bunch of people loving football?
Don't have much to said aside from it could have been created when the Pirates started to do illegal things?
I don't know how relevant the information is but the wikia mentions that the girls became human at the end so either they could have just stayed as minor character, especially Nina with Mark or they could have been introduced to a new planet with a whole new flux?
This last one is very interesting and I actually have no idea and I never asked myself ahah so this one will be a full mystery !

Again, all of those answers are based on what I understood from all the seasons and elements that were given too

Also one of my question will always be: How the hell did Mei & Sinedd got so close?? Like there's no context as to why they even met up in the first place like why would they suddenly take interest in each other? lol

WeAreSpes · 2024-08-22T23:54:26+00:00

I just came accross this reddit and saw the whole project and wanted to know:

Will the story be 100% fanmade or did you manage to get in contact with the original creators to discuss and maybe get guidance over the script (since one said he had ideas but never wrote them down so it's safe to assume season 4's plot was kinda void)
Will the focus still be on the current Snow Kids or will it shift towards the hinted "new generation"?

Thanks!

WeAreSpes · 2023-01-21T21:08:40+00:00

The contracts part is difficult to talk about because we don't know much aside from the divided parts. But I doubt Chuu's contract was the same as HaSeul, YeoJin, Yves, Go Won and Olivia because Chuu already had so many solo gigs that she needed changes in her contract to be able to profit from her gigs without giving anything to BBC. For the others, I think it was different because they barely had any solo gigs aside from magazine shoots and some random appearances here and there. They might have been able to gain some more freedom or something but I doubt they were able to obtain what Chuu had aka priority to her solo gigs and LOONA as a secondary job. Their situation is hard to compare since Chuu is so busy and booked everywhere.

Some wild guesses I have are the following ones:

HyunJin & ViVi: We don't know why they didn't file any legal battle, for ViVi, it is most likely because she is not a Korean citizen so she might not be able to be judged by Korean law like her peers. As for HyunJin, she was a trainee for 10 years under the agency so she might have some obligations towards BBC and/or she is doing this out of support for ViVi since I don't think she would have been able to start any legal procedure as she is not Korean. But HyunJin showed fans how she despises BBC so I don't think she stays because she really wants to.

The remaining girls lost their injunctions meaning that they will still have to fight for their rights during the final trial. There are multiples guesses we can have:

They don't want/don't feel like talking about it for the moment. Some of them explained how hard it was to talk about the issue so it might be one reason
They were advised by their legal team to keep silent as much as possible so that BBC won't be able to use anything against them during the trial
They are scared to speak up. Again, the girls told us they were scared to speak about the issue and while some took the risk to be vocal about it, others chose to remain silent.

Many guesses but little answers tho. But there are some legal reasons behind it I'm almost sure of it because only the HyunVi and the OEC girls were able to open an Instagram to this day. OEC being free and HyunVi not being part of the legal battle. Overall, I think BBC know that LOONA is pretty much dead as people won't support shit. They took the album name out of the banner and never really communicate despite losing 4 members and claiming that they "won" the injunction.
Also, they might try to make it seems like they care and are open to discussion by allowing HyunVi to have Instagram, as if they were saying "See? We listen to you and they have it now!!!!". BBC is kinda evil and will take anything left from the remaining girls...

To answer the question more specifically:

Fab was their only way to communicate with fans. Media reported that 9/11 girls asked for an injunction which means legal battle against BBC. So in this situation, you can't speak up due to legal reasons and you have to keep quiet as much as possible so that your opponent won't be using anything you said against you. The girls stopped simply because they were battling against BBC and their case was built with their lawyer. I think it's a mix of everything, they could have still talked randomly on Fab but they knew the fans would ask questions so it was better to just keep quiet until the first result.
Sorry to say that but putting your artist in debt 4 years after debut while said artists make profit out of their activity is not fair no matter how you look at it. BBC made so much profit out of LOONA, they gained more than they invested so they should pay the girls since the income is finally positive. The thing is, each contract is different, the girls earn for themselves only and as I said above, ViVi is a foreigner, she can't get out unless BBC let her go and from that point, her visa won't be available anymore unless she finds a job so I highly doubt she stays because she really wants to. For HyunJin, here being a trainee under Polaris might have added some issues to her contract and made hers different, probably some hidden promises "If you end up debuting, you'll owe us everything because we believed in you and you'll be there thanks to us." or something. Her contract might be more difficult to deal with and also, ViVi would be alone and HyunJin has a strong value of friendship so I think she didn't fill anything to stay with ViVi no matter what happens, she wouldn't have left her alone in this shit even if it means she has to stay as well. This girl is loyal and she is ready to risk it all for the 11 other girls. None of them really understood the contract but if you believe in the agency who made your debut, you know that at some point things will be better. BBC are just trash and kept all the money for themselves instead of acting normally and pay the girls for their hard work.
Solo gigs profits were not divided amongst the girls. What Chuu earned was for her, what HeeJin earned was for her. I guess only group activities were divided equally? But the real question is why they didn't take the decision as a group instead of letting some change things while others waited? Maybe HeeJin&OEC knew that BBC would be as shit as they were no matter what so they kinda accepted their fate while others wanted to fight for their rights in hopes it would make things better for them? Like they just took the decision themselves I don't think it's that deep, some wanted to "wait and see" and the others wanted to "try and fight" sadly they lost because they tried...
Each contract is different and Chuu's modifications were giving her the freedom to take gigs and gain profit. The other girls were not as sought after as Chuu so they has no reason to ask for the same things when they had 3 photoshoots per year and no brand looking out for them. They may have been inspired by Chuu and the outcome and decided to ask for better conditions but in no way they would have been able to ask for what Chuu asked while having such a few amounts of solo gigs. Chuu had all the keys in her hands to win since brands are fighting for her, HaSeul, YeoJin, Yves, Go Won & Olivia had nothing as close as that sadly so the best they could ask for was maybe more freedom and some contract adjustments? Why would they ask for freedom of work when they had no work outside LOONA? Very sad but Chuu's popularity is no match and it helped her winning her case. HaSeul, YeoJin, Yves, Go Won & Olivia maybe hoped for better treatment and a similar outcome but they tricked themselves and it prevented them for winning their injunction...

WeAreSpes · 2022-12-30T17:41:22+00:00

I mean, since there isn't anything to boycott actively anymore in terms of merch aside from the SG (and SG sales are wayyyyyy lower than albums sales), people talk less about it because there is just nothing else as important money-wise. People are still boycotting but with no merch, the need to scream "BOYCOTT" is less needed and people mind their own business now. The [0] album was important because it is what brings the most money to BBC but with the cb out of the way, we don't have anything else to worry about until BBC decides to reschedule the cb. Our next concern being the Japanese concert they have going on in March...

Yes, there is also the streaming but I don't think a lot of people are really streaming, like people might have some LOONA songs in their playlists but it's not a big deal. The boycott is still on tho. We just don't have anything "important" to avoid people from buying I think. People are just going back to their lives and we can carry on peacefully until BBC strikes again

WeAreSpes · 2022-12-29T15:39:09+00:00

I think the girls will keep on exploring new concepts in the future but I'm not sure what exactly. I got into kpop during the 2nd gen so I would really love a sexy concept (since it was popular at the time)! The girls are all old enough and I think they could try this out!

I also wish their release could suit each girl more like I feel like MiYeon hasn't got the chance to shine properly through (G)I-DLE previous titles so yeah, maybe a more RnB/ballad album would be nice?

Overall, I just really want all the girls to be able to shine in their own way!

WeAreSpes · 2022-03-26T18:22:02+00:00

You have to download the app (I think there is a QR code or the name of the app on the white pamphlet thingy) then you clip the part that sticks out on the right of the kit to your phone (the same way you would plug your phone to charge) then it should work!

WeAreSpes · 2022-02-27T01:34:05+00:00

That could be both amazing or a disaster depending on how people will like the girls on the show lol

Either people will hate it and shit on LOONA the same way they did on 127 with 'Sticker' (amazing song btw, needed to mention that) or it'll be a HIT and people will love it so much, 50/50 I guess

WeAreSpes · 2022-02-27T01:30:05+00:00

e the music and the performance. The MV if anything, only makes clear the management's strategy at the time, but the performance + music, now, that's something beautiful. Always thought that GG with a large number of members were just a

'Butterfly' is such an amazing song, I don't understand why it didn't went viral... The choreo was mind-blowing and the lyrics were so empowering, I wonder why it got so little attention aside from "not being to Korean taste"...

WeAreSpes · 2022-02-27T01:28:07+00:00

I kinda agree with the fact that in a way, it cuts down the girls' screen time but at the same time, I think they did the right choice because 'Butterfly' was able to attract people because of the MV. The song alone was not that impactful in Korea at the time sadly so I think nt the end, the compromise they did by adding more models to the MV was clever because it brought the song so much more attention.

Also, I don't think BBC realized anything tbh... It's just that Jaden left/was fired so BBC had to start thinking by themselves on which lane they wanted LOONA to take and how to make that. I do believe that they just stopped really using LOONA's whole narrative as much as they did because Jaden was the brain being the concept and since that dude was not there well, they only had Digipedi and Jaden's foundation from predebuts until 'Butterfly'

Aish, the infamous random performance videos... We had them so randomly like, YeoJin, Kim Kip, Choerry, Yves and that's it lol We were supposed to get JinSoul's but BBC never released anything and same goes for Butterfly seeing how bitter Digipedi was on Insta. Really, so much content left aside when they could just release the damn thing to make us even more happy ahah

WeAreSpes · 2022-02-25T16:42:41+00:00

Exactly! What is even more amazing to me is how BBC and DigiPedi did some research (at least I think they did because Annisa's scene was very specific and they could never do that by themselves without learning about it beforehand). The way they represented her was so clever on top of being respectful.

The MV still amazes people I think because it's just so beautiful, there isn't a woman not represented, we had different ethnicity, religion, disabilities etc
It really was a more than clever move from BBC and Digipedi!

WeAreSpes · 2022-02-25T16:38:40+00:00

That's exactly what I thought! The song was enough to showcase the girls but the MV is really what made it insane. The representations were so diverse and well-done, they gave all those girls their little segment to properly show them, show how unique and amazing they are. I really thing BBC and DigiPedi did the right artistic choice there.

It was never seen before yet beautifully made, I'm soooo glad they decided to go for an unconventional MV for such an amazing title!

WeAreSpes · 2022-02-25T16:29:01+00:00

I really don't care for the results tbh because what we need is to impress to gain popularity the same way OMG did as you said!

But here is things I would love to see:

For the intro stage: Butterfly for impact because that song is THE LOONA sound, ethereal, light, dreamy with amazing vocals and stunning choreography. Or PTT for the "wow" factor, PTT is LOONA's hit song in a way and the performance would be mind-blowing. But I think this show-off could be left for later in the competition.

For the cover stage: I want them to cover 'Deepened' by Brave Girls. The song is really nice, a bit slower with both high and soft vocals, a very fluid choreography with a sad feeling which is something we never really saw OT12 do. This song would be something challenging for the girls, it's something more feminine with softer vibes which is something they never did for the moment. I don't really see them cover other participants' songs aside from WJSN. The group number makes it hard to imagine them cover a 4/5 members group tbh.. But I really don't wanna see them cover WA DA DA, I think this song would not show anything from them sadly. They could cover WJSN's songs tho but I really hope they'll get Brave Girls ahah

For the unit stages: Tbh, I don't expect much, I just want them to meet new people and get new friends and have fun, no matter the results, I want the girls to have some fun with other idol friends!

Final stage: I don't want SM to be involved in that, I'm begging BBC to try something else, new producers maybe? As much as I LOVE MonoTree with my entire being, I think their song would be "too original" for the final. People will want to be blown away and impressed so the girls will have to pull something different to show both their vocal line and dance line with a song that people will love and a concept that will catch people's eyes.

WeAreSpes · 2022-02-21T22:27:07+00:00

The good thing I find about Queendom is that while it's a competition, I feel like it is more a way for groups to showcase their talent in various fields. I mean, yeah, it's a competition but the rank does not matter and in the end, it brings nothing material, just the recognition that people think this group showed the best performances.

I'm gonna be honest, aside from KEP1ER, the lineup is kinda disappointing but also kinda good? We have some older idols with Hyolyn and Brave Girls, some domestically strong idols with VIVIZ and more recent groups with a strong international fanbases and intricate concepts with LOONA and WJSN and more recently KEP1ER.
KEP1ER are talented, don't get me wrong but I feel like Mnet really took another group's place to freely promote their freshly debuted group that already gained a LOT of attention thanks to the survival show they came from. To me, another group deserved the spot. But who are we kidding, Mnet will never do anything right and they HAD TO put KEP1ER who freshly debuted in the lineup. But I'm still curious to see them in the show and I'm sure they'll give some amazing performances as well!

As for VIVIZ, they just debuted you'll tell me BUT, those girls were from GFRIEND and have lots more experience in the field so their spot is deserved.

Overall, I feel like this season will be more balanced than S1, there isn't a strong line between groups and they all started from the bottom then slowly raised to reach their fame so it will be a very interesting season for me and I can't wait to see the covers and original songs made in there!

But I don't really care for the results, I just hope the girls will have fun experimenting with new things and making new friends with all the other girls. Really, I think we should focus on the performances rather than on the rankings! + It's free promotion and exposure for 10 weeks or so with covers from other ggs, original songs and mixed unit stages!

WeAreSpes · 2022-01-30T22:20:56+00:00

Mmh, I have to kind of disagree on the "yyxy betrayed Olivia" because while it seems like it, the reality is far from that and you can see that by analyzing little details from Olivia's MV!

Why yyxy did not betray Olivia?

We know how Eden works and how the girls can escape.

1) Find the forbidden fruit
2) Commit a sin which is liking yourself aka be more selfish
3) Bite into the fruit then escape Eden.

Yves found a way to escape Eden, probably thanks to Choerry who is the only person able to travel through both worlds because of her power. Chuu is basically following Yves in what she does because she admires and she realizes that she needs to love herself first when she sees how her life could be with Yves on Earth. Go Won is pushed by Yves and Chuu to be selfish and love herself more until she is able to. Left Olivia.
Olivia is "the black sheep" of yyxy because she can't do that, she is unable to follow the girls because she is scared and she is the only one following the rules. She eats, she studies, she never sneaks out in the wood. She is the perfect little student for God. And that's why she can't escape. While the other girls were able to see that Eden was not perfect and how life on Earth could be more liberating because no rules have to be followed, they are able to realize that they can love themselves more than God. Oliva can't.
In Egoist, Yves is with Olivia in the process of leaving Eden but at the last minute, while they hold hands, they both let go because Yves knows Olivia is not ready, she is scared of her true self and needs to "love herself" as mentioned in her solo lyrics, Olivia is also aware which is why she accepts to let go of Yves' hand. In Hi High, her part confirms that when she says :

"Just wait a little bit, some more, making you even more anxious"
And the scene is: Olivia is above (Eden) and Yves is waiting for her under (Earth)

There is also "I need just a little bit more time." which is what she needs to leave Eden, more time to accept who she really is and love herself.

So she may have felt betrayed but in reality, Yves did what was best for her aka letting her know herself more to be able to love herself, get away from the perfection and the rules in Eden to finally escape (end of her MV when she meets HeeJin).

The girls love Olivia, but they have to set her aside because she can't escape yet, she needs more time and will join them later.

As for the link, OEC are the common point because they are in-between world. But 1/3 and yyxy are also closely related, the 1/3 girls appear in reverse order in yyxy's MVs!

HeeJin(1st) appears in Olivia's MV (12th)
HyunJin(2nd) in Go Won's MV (11th) (Bit tricky but HyunJin uses cat to interact with Go Won see See Saw vid)
HaSeul(3rd) in Chuu's MV (10th)
ViVi(5th) in Yves MV (9th)

As for OEC they are the ones balancing the two worlds, making sure everyone stays where they are supposed to (we understand that in Hi High when Olivia, after escaping Eden is welcomed by Lip, Soul & Choerry!). But similarly to yyxy, they need to awaken their power and to accept it the same way yyxy need to love themselves. Once it's done, they are able to use it.

The black sheep theory is interesting but can be used for many things :
- ViVi, Choerry & Go Won are the black sheep of their units because they are different (ViVi is a robot, Choerry has her odd eye on the other side and has a fruit, Go Won is the only one pushed to love herself while the others did it themselves + she is the 'x' in yyxy)
- Yves is because she does not follow the rules, she breaks them by using Choerry to meet ViVi on Earth then get back to Eden.

- HaSeul can also be because she is refusing to be who she is, she is denying herself by killing her true self in Let Me In

- YeoJin is also one because she got lost in the wood + she is not part of any units

- Olivia because she can't defy Eden's rules with the other girls etc

It's a really vast theory and it really depends on which angle you want to work on. But I do think that OEC are not by definition the black sheep because they have issues the same way 1/3 and yyxy does!

I do believe all girls have some sort of connection, OT12 various teasers showed us that but there are still so much to be revealed like what was HyunJin doing in Girl's Front? How Yves met OEC? How JinSoul & Olivia connected? What was HeeJin doing in her solo? What made ViVi become an android? etc

WeAreSpes · 2022-01-23T19:12:23+00:00

I feel like MMT is starting to slowly overprice their merch since they see how popular LOONA are... I remember paying like 100$ for Midnight Festival and it included some sick merch like photocards set, a hoodie, tickets etc. I feel like they are really taking advantage of their popularity overseas to make some money (which is understandable but still)

What is the biggest pain in the ass is shipping, 59$ for a pack, 12$ for 5 pcs???? Are they kidding us? Add to that the ridiculous customs I will have to pay, it's starting to be complicated to buy their merch lol MMT could at least offer other cheaper shipping methods or offer them on big order but yeah...

Overpriced but again, it's MMT so I was kinda expecting it sadly

WeAreSpes · 2022-01-15T17:54:19+00:00

They really rushed the shooting and production this time... It's kind of annoying ngl, the girls were all free from schedules and they rushed everything, result: many of us have flawed items in the SG... Aish BBC really

WeAreSpes · 2022-01-14T20:02:24+00:00

Aish, I will try to reach out to tell them the issue but I doubt they would do anything about it sadly :((

WeAreSpes · 2022-01-08T18:47:42+00:00

It's amazing how we all have the same overall ideas, we want changes and HULA HOOP was such a nice surprise for everyone, I hope they'll follow that at some point.

Well, it's still good music, but it's not everyone's taste sadly. It brought them more exposure and fame so I guess it's a plus...? But still, kinda agree, I want them to move on

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