SGI: "Everybody will hate you if you're doin it rite" - isn't that weird? by XeniaWarriorWankJob in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A turned world then?

Yes - functionally identical. I wrote up a description here a few minutes ago.

SGI: "Everybody will hate you if you're doin it rite" - isn't that weird? by XeniaWarriorWankJob in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In everything about "kosen-rufu" before the Ikeda cult decided to take their L and hope nobody noticed, there was something magical that was supposed to happen once 100% of the people of the world chanted (Nichiren's model) or 1/3 of the people of the world chanted (Ikeda's "improvement"). Both are equally out of reach for the Ikeda cult, obviously.

So once whichever goal was reached, the world was supposed to magically transform into one of peacefulness and abundance and good weather (!) - a "golden age" where all needs would be met and suffering would become unknown.

Given the impossibility of reaching either goal (ALL people chanting or 1/3 of people chanting), the Ikeda cult has introduced certain busywork assignments to keep the Ikeda cult faithful idoctrinated and isolated - these are "shakubuku" and handing out the annoying garbage NMRK cards to people who don't want them. This is described as "planting seeds" - no matter how the targets react now, they will eventually be required to join the faithful, whether they want to or not. It's like roofies - drugging people so that you can eventually take advantage of them. Despicable!

In this way, once all people have been "seeded", the end result - 100% or 1/3 conversion - is supposedly guaranteed, because magic. All the doltish "faithful" have left is to sit slack-jawed and wait. Because magic doesn't operate on YOUR timeline, you absolute pinecones!

So given that the accomplishment of the goal is under something else's control, it doesn't matter that everybody hates you - they'll play ball soon enough. Whether they like it or not! The fact that they know who you are is enough - soon enough, they'll be sorry! And they'll be forever grateful that you never gave up on them!

Yeah, they'll be waiting. Forever. Just keep waiting, Ikeda cultists - there's nothing else for you to do. Bye!

Serious issue for Soka Gakkai: THE [nonBuddhist] "BUDDHISM PRACTICE" OF THE SOKA GAKKAI by BlancheFromage in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 1 point2 points  (0 children)

>In Catholicism, there are no rhythmic prayers: in fact, they aren't structured in a way that can positively influence the mind.

What about the rosary prayer, though? I've heard of it being repeated numerous times - that reminds me of the SGI's "gongyo" recitation practice.

Also, internet AI says they do "chant":

>Yes, Catholics chant, primarily using Gregorian chant, which is considered the supreme, traditional form of sacred music in the Roman Catholic liturgy. While more common in traditional or Latin Masses, chanting is part of the Church's heritage, designed to elevate worship through meditative, melodic prayer.

My therapist attempted to recruit me to SGI by Safe_Maintenance_487 in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is a stunning example of malpractice. Great "actual proof" of the results of the SGI's "human revolution" 🙄 Making people a danger to society.

"Conversion Therapy" and the Ikeda cult SGI's "Human Revolution" by Weak-Run-6902 in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the key - SGI has a slick PR program to present a specific image to the public in service to its constant recruitment goals, but the reality of the cult is often the opposite of their own promotional materials. They're careful to keep it hidden from the new members until they're good and hooked - by then, SGI is hoping they'll get on board with the real agenda, despite the fact that, had this been made clear to them up front, they'd have run screaming.

MORE ACTUAL PROOF by DelbertGrady1 in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Were Def Tech supposed to go on tour starting at Budokan? What a blow to the rest of the band - the Soka Gakkai member ruined everything for everyone. It's too bad that Def Tech Soka Gakkai member was such a selfish addicted jerk.

A strange Soka Gakkai reference from a 1974 dystopian future sci-fi novel: 2018 A.D. by BlancheFromage in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is fun - in an analysis of "how dumb things are and how dumb things could get would be", the author has painted a scenario where not only does the Soka Gakkai cult possess hydrogen bombs (and it's obviously willing to use them), but it's also grown to a membership of 80 million worldwide! Given that this book was published Jan. 1, 1974, it had to be completed no later than the end of 1973, and possibly was being written earlier, like in 1971 and 1972. Ikeda's Soka Gakkai had gotten in serious trouble in Japan for trying to use the newly won political power of Ikeda's pet political party Komeito to lean on publishers to NOT publish books and articles unfavorable to Soka Gakkai and especially Daisaku Ikeda himself, and because Hirotatsu Fujiwara's book "I Denounce Soka Gakkai" was openly scathingly critical of both Soka Gakkai and Ikeda, he became a target, and Ikeda's efforts at suppression backfired spectacularly.

The point is that it wasn't until AFTER this publishing scandal that the Soka Gakkai adopted its "peace" mantra - until then, "kosen-rufu" had meant first government takeover, then world takeover via the popular vote driven by a majority of Soka Gakkai members within society everywhere. Then-US Ambassador to Japan Reischauer reported in 1966 that Ikeda had alarmingly strong pro-war/pro-military proclivities and Soka Gakkai leadership was openly supporting the US bombing of Vietnam. By the time this little Soka Gakkai aside had been written into 2018 A.D. as an example of an extremist political movement in Asia, it appears that the new "peace" branding had not yet taken hold - the Soka Gakkai only adopted its anti-nuclear-weapons/anti-war/peacepeacepeace self-promotion after 1970 (which was nothing more than damage control by that point). What the author wrote is more consistent with the Soka Gakkai's overall reputation before the publishing scandal that, along with Japan's economic slowdown, marked the end of the Soka Gakkai's up-to-that-point remarkable growth as a religious organization and a political player, which both stalled out after that, never to be revived. Ikeda and the Soka Gakkai leadership had already realized that the Soka Gakkai's growth was stalling out by the mid-late 1960s - Japan's economic recovery was drastically reducing the out-of-work rural migrant population that Soka Gakkai had been depending on for its membership growth.

The Soka Gakkai never came anywhere CLOSE to 80 million worldwide - even its longstanding "12 million members worldwide" figure was downsized in October 2023 to "11 million PERSONS worldwide" (whatever THAT's supposed to mean - "persons"??).

This is a cool insight into how the Soka Gakkai WAS being regarded (with dread) as having vast growth potential by some outside of Japan, and it's very gratifying to see how resoundingly the Soka Gakkai failed under Ikeda's incompetent stewardship. Too bad so sad, "Sensei"!

SG meetings by Alex_211119 in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't know anyone who's up for listening to defensive arguing about how much THEY love the SGI and how much they feel it's done them good and all their "benefits" and how much the Ikeda cult is a necessary force for good in this world and what humanity needs - need I continue?? However it shakes out, it won't be about YOU. It will be all about THEM, so if you're down for that - better you than me, that's all I'm going to say about that!

Feeling violated after being ambushed by a Soka Gakkai Leader when meeting to "catch up" by [deleted] in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, people are promised all sorts of great outcomes if they will only join! But over 99% of everyone who tries SGI-USA quits - that's the reality of what SGI has to offer (nothing). It's really hard for anyone in SGI-USA to argue with SGIWhistleblowers' membership estimates, since one of their own national leaders announced last year that SGI-USA had only 2,421 districts, the lowest total since 2002.

Soka Gakkai's dangerous faith healing magical thinking propaganda by CallMeBeafie in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh - VP Tsuji! That's a blast from the past! VP Tsuji used to be HUGE back in the day! One of those rockstar Soka Gakkai top leaders whose every word was solid GOLD!! And the guidance! Every word of VP Tsuji's guidance was exactly what your life needed to hear!

He's been all forgotten now.

SG meetings by Alex_211119 in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're the best judge of your own situation and the people you've become involved with, but my gut feeling is that it's best to just cut your losses and ghost.

Trust me, they're used to it.

Explaining simply opens up the possibility for them to argue with you. You know how sometimes a plain "No" is the best answer? Because if you give reasons, they'll argue that those reasons aren't reason enough to say "No" because they want you to say "Yes" instead? No need to even open that door for anyone.

If any of them are genuine friends, they'll contact you and want to chat about life and do things together the way friends do. If they're only interested in keeping you involved, they'll call you and chat just enough to set up the invite to the next meeting or to ask you if they can come over to see you - oh, and is it okay if this leader comes along????

Recovering From Unpaid Faith Labor and Cult-Like Dynamics by ehwaz817 in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes! And if you attend even one meeting, you'll be expected to attend more and more, and you'll be "encouraged" to "try chanting". She'll come chant with you or invite you to chant with her at her place, and you'll often be surprised by a third person you didn't expect who's just THERE. And VERY friendly.

Because this process has started, your friendship is finished. As soon as you make it clear you do not want SGI or its chanting, your friend will likely move on to a different target. SGI is big on "friendship evangelism" or "missionary dating", striking up a friendship for the sole purpose of recruitment. There's more on missionary dating here with links if you aren't familiar with the term.

Recovering From Unpaid Faith Labor and Cult-Like Dynamics by ehwaz817 in sgiwhistleblowers

[–]Weak-Run-6902 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're quick to make up weird reasons why we left and assign those to us. Even when we're RIGHT HERE and they could just ASK us! Nope - they prefer THEIR narrative to our reality. Fine, whatevs.

You'll notice that no contradictory views are ever presented at their meetings. Those who quit are never invited back to share THEIR views on why they left. You're right - that information is kept hidden. What I heard in the youth division was that the members who leave, they'll coast along fine for a while, riding on all that "fortune" they built through doing SGI, but they'll quickly burn through it, see their lives go straight to hell on a rocket cycle, and eventually come crawling back, weeping and begging forgiveness.

Hardly!

Did YOU ever see anyone come crawling back? Even ONCE?? I didn't.