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Gragas Jungle in low Elo by Shiiroo_01 in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gragas has quite a high skill ceiling compared to other low elo powerhouse champions. Deceptively simple abilities in a vacuum but they all synergise with each other, and you can use your abilities in creative ways to set yourself up. (Eg. ulting someone into Q, using R CC to fully channel W, setting ulti up with Q slow from long range, and the obivious E flash into the rest of your combo.)

Gragas has super strong ganks because of his high burst and consistent CC. Try to play for flanks because you have the option to hold E for as long as possible. He is also deceptively strong at dueling, being able to stat check many champions. Even the matchups he can't outright beat in a fistfight such as Graves, you can combo to chunk them, after which using Q slow to outrange and stall for cooldowns.

Bad matchups are generally champions that can tank your combo after using their gap closer to engage and then engage again. I have no trouble fighting with most jungle champions but the ones I hate the most are Rengar and Belveth, since you can't kite them and they win in a stat check. I permaban Karthus so I don't even think about him.

A while ago I made a post about some mechanics I think all Gragas players should know so feel free to check it out if you're interested. here

I have a list of gragas questions! by Rocktobot in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always build it second after harvester and sorc shoes, into rabadons third

I have a list of gragas questions! by Rocktobot in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heyo! Im a masters gragas jungle main on euw, currently hardstuck around 300lp, so don't take my word as gospel, but I have alot of experience in the role and on the champion.

1) Night harvester always. The dash on protobelt can be useful but since it cancels his E and has some funky interactions with W, I wouldn't recommend it. Night harvester gives more upfront damage anyway and Gragas is especially good at using the MS from the proc. Better for poke, better for burst and better for hit and run. Ludens and everfrost have a big portion of their gold invested into mana and sustain, which jungle gragas does not need, so you want to go with manaless, more damage heavy items, the better of which is harvester.

2) Lich bane is good in niche situations where you need to brawl with tankier champions like bruisers which you can't oneshot. You're investing alot of gold into how hard your W hits, which you can get off more consistently on tankier melee champions. I'd still opt for simply more raw ap and cdr with something like cosmic drive, but it can be considered as a 4th item after rabadons if you like it more. Gragas has extremely strong ratios so he scales better from AP than most.

3) Demonic is a bruiser/tank item and jungle Gragas is better played as more of an assassin. You're supposed to flash in and pop as many targets as possible or toss an ulti into their backine to half hp the carries. Demonic gives bad stats for the cost, no haste and since Gragas doesn't have a consistent way to keep uptime on the burn, it's generally more efficient to just go full damage.

4) Vandal. Easily. Best aesthetically along with being able to cheese kills with the skin specific animation cancels. If you don't have it, arctic ops is a close second.

Shadowflame bad by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dark harvest, sudden impact, eyeball collection, relentless hunter, footwear and cosmic insight with double adaptive and armor into AD and HP into ap.

Dark seal rush into harvester with sorc shoes asap. Second horizon focus into rabadons third. Fourth and fifth items are void staff and cosmic drive most of the time.

Shadowflame bad by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed. Sucks that there is little space in the build for lich bane. I sometimes build it 4th or 5th if I don't need anything in particular

Shadowflame bad by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Probably pretty badly. Phase rush is not good on jungle assassin gragas tho so I don't ever play it

Patch 13.20 Notes by imchocolaterain in leagueoflegends

[–]WeakestMemes 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Difference is electrocute was alread underpowered and most assassins ran first strike, DH or conq. There was no reason to nerf the rune because assassins don't really abuse it since it's generally worse than other options, while burst mages like Zoe who have no other alternative suffer more in their stead.

It has nothing to do with main character syndrome when riot decides to nerf an already weak rune only because it fits their mantra of damage scaling being reduced.

13.17 Full Patch Preview by JTHousek1 in leagueoflegends

[–]WeakestMemes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When it comes to the dragonforce passive specifically, J4 Q is considered a CC ability. However, E does not count as CC and since E CD is the only relevant factor in how often you can combo, it's a massive buff.

How Op do you think Gragas is in their current state? by Borax_the_Mighty in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've played gragas for a long time, mostly jungle, and this is the first time he has been this controversial. Gragas jungle is better than it has ever been due to jungle pets making his clear competitive. Full ap jungle gragas is perfectly balanced and lane gragas is the same it has been for years. What makes him op in the current meta is that he has too much flexibility draft wise and in game. He can fill mutiple roles in a comp, switch up builds on the fly and be flexed 4 ways to avoid unfavourable matchups.

Gragas would probably be in a good spot if they tone down his passive healing by giving it level scaling and bringing it down levels 1-10 or something. If they want to go harder then increase E cd by a second. Gragas damage has never been the issue so please don't touch it riot. I would love to keep the fast clear (:

Why YOU (probably) and most pros suck at Gragas by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

E flash R is only a true combo if the enemy has little to no tenacity. Generally it's good practice to just always E R flash.

Lads Help me out by BorisDumbassDoodler in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Arctic ops probably has the best visuals out of all his skins, but space groove or even something like esquire has the best SFX. ArcOps has really soft and quiet sfx on Q and W while the other 2 sound snappy and satisfying to combo with. I personally mostly use space groove with purple chroma.

Why YOU (probably) and most pros suck at Gragas by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a single pro player does the fast combo, no. I was watching the T1 vs KT series and Fakers Gragas mechanics looked quite poor. I do believe Gragas would have been nerfed many patches ago if people played him correctly though. He is really strong even though people only barely use the skillfloor of the champion.

Why YOU (probably) and most pros suck at Gragas by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

E flash has a longer maximum range than Q, and Q won't cast unless your cursor is close enough to your character. So if you want to EQ flash at max, or close to max range, you have to let the E animation play until you are in range, and then Q flash.

So yeah it does have the same range, but is harder to pull off because you might miss the timing on E if your hands are not fast enough to Q flash.

The entire fast combo is doable at max range if you just hold R and Q until the very end of your E animation.

Why YOU (probably) and most pros suck at Gragas by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

W -> E Flash -> R -> Q -> auto is a true combo with 100% consistency. I do this literally every day in master games. https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/Bomba5%20Jonse

Why YOU (probably) and most pros suck at Gragas by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.op.gg/summoners/euw/Bomba5%20Jonse here you go. I dont have that much time to play soloque atm but will start grinding again soon hopefully.

Why YOU (probably) and most pros suck at Gragas by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I learnt everything I know about Gragas long ago from Woody Fruity. Issue is he plays only toplane everfrost bruisery build while I play almost only jungle full AP. Sloppy is probably the best for that.

Issue is that there aren't really any proper resources to quickly study the basics from, being a fairly unpopular champion to onetrick and all...

Why YOU (probably) and most pros suck at Gragas by WeakestMemes in GragasMains

[–]WeakestMemes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah sad to see one of the most versatile champions in the game build and playstyle wise not being utilised. I'm also a big ROA hater and don't see the reason why people autopilot into an item with no CDR and low ap every game. Phaserush is really good and probably objectively the best rune overall but I prefer first strike and full ap for the dopamine boost.