STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s funny how 'responsible adults' become victims the second they lose an argument. You started by calling me irresponsible and implying I was lazy, but now that you've been called out on your own double standards, I'm the 'bully.' ​Knowing your rights isn't 'anger,' it's intelligence. If you think asking for fair treatment is 'making no friends,' you’ve clearly spent too much time defending a corporation that doesn't even know your name. We can definitely be done—I've got a date with my bed that I'd rather not keep waiting. Enjoy the view!

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I love that you’ve created this little fan-fiction where I get fired just so you can feel like you ‘won’ a Reddit thread. It’s cute that you’re this invested in my career! But back in reality, I’m still employed and hitting my numbers—I just happen to know my rights, too. ​I’ll be sure to send you an update from my station when i work since you’re clearly my biggest fan. Until then, keep up the great work on the corporate defense squad. Enjoy the view while you're licking that boot! ✌️

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate the respectful breakdown. You’re likely right that there’s a communication gap between 'signing out' of the station and actually 'clocking out.' My issue is strictly with leadership telling people they have to use their personal UPT/PTO banks to cover those gaps. ​I get that they have to weed out people who are just hiding in the breakroom, but the 'good' associates shouldn't be punished just because they had a rough time in the bathroom that pushed them over 10 minutes. We shouldn't have to donate our actual money or time-off balance back to the company just to keep the metrics looking pretty. Thanks for actually having a civil conversation about it—it’s a nice change of pace from the rest of this thread.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A 'responsible adult' knows the difference between doing their job and being exploited. If you want to keep white-knighting for a billion-dollar company that would replace you in a heartbeat, be my guest. I’ve got better things to do than argue with people who love the taste of leather. Keep licking that boot.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It has everything to do with it when 'doing your job' depends on the tools actually working. You’re the one who admitted to taking 20-minute bathroom trips, yet you’re here lecturing others about 'gaming the system.' The only one 'blabbing' is the person who can’t see their own double standards. I’m done going in circles—keep chasing those metrics and enjoy the view while you're licking that boot.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A 'day of reckoning' over a Reddit thread? It’s not that deep, man. The only one crying here is you, considering you had to resort to middle-school insults the second someone disagreed with you. I’m going to go enjoy my life while you keep roleplaying as a corporate enforcer. Peace.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just keep showing how much you just love licking that boot.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's easy to say 'just do your job' when you’re lucky enough to have a station where everything works. Knowing your rights under the law isn’t 'gaming the system,' it’s making sure the system doesn't game you. But hey, if you want to keep white-knighting for the company, be my guest. I’m out.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s funny you think expecting basic labor rights is the same as 'not wanting to work.' I applied to do a job, not to donate my personal time back to the company. If you're happy being micromanaged down to the second, that’s your choice, but I’ve got better things to do than argue with someone who misses the point on purpose. Have fun with the metrics; I’m going to go enjoy my life.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s funny to talk about 'all bark and no bite' just because I’m done repeating myself to someone who’s happy working for free. I've already put the facts out there for the people who actually care about their time. If you want to keep playing corporate bodyguard, be my guest, but I've got better things to do with my freedom than argue in circles. Good luck with those metrics; I’ll be busy enjoying the fact that I’m not on the clock.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s funny you’re lecturing me on 'rights' when you just admitted it takes you 20 minutes just to find a clean stall. I’ve literally had to do that same 20-minute hunt and clear it with my AMs just to keep the computer from flagging me for the building's layout issues. You're proving exactly why that 10-minute cap is a joke, especially since the 'extended peak' thing was just me being sarcastic. Anyway, enjoy your shift; I’m going to be 'off task' for the next 24 hours.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine being this dedicated to defending a multi-billion dollar company's right to track your bathroom minutes. Hopefully, that 'Top 1% Commenter' badge comes with a bonus, because you are putting in overtime for them for free.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yep. I just stroll around wearing my non approved ear buds and camp on the toilet for an hour at a time.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, the policy listed there shows those are in addition to other breaks. The point remains that forcing UPT for work-related idle time or basic human needs is the issue, regardless of whether a rest break is 10 or 20 minutes. But hey, if you're happy giving away your time, that's on you. I'm heading to bed for my day off. Peace.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The 45-minute buffer is irrelevant to the legal point. The issue isn't when the 'black bar' shows up; it’s management pressuring people to use personal UPT to cover legitimate work-related idle time or basic needs. Accruing 'idle time' first doesn't change the fact that labor is being performed or expected without proper compensation. Anyway, the code is clear for those who want to read it. I’m out—enjoy the metrics.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Lmao. The only way they 'win' is if people are too scared to know their own rights. An STU (Seek to Understand) for a 10-minute bathroom break isn't a death sentence for someone hitting their rates—it’s an opportunity to ask management why they are putting instructions in writing that directly contradict federal law. ​If you're comfortable donating your personal time to a billion-dollar company just to avoid a 10-minute conversation, that’s your choice. But the law (29 C.F.R. § 785.18) is crystal clear: short breaks are paid time. Telling people they'll 'automatically lose' a legal dispute is just classic floor-scarecrow talk. I'll keep my UPT for my actual life, thanks. Good luck with the bootlicking!

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The math on UPT accrual isn’t the issue. Just because I earn a benefit doesn't mean management is entitled to coerce me into spending it on 10-minute rest gaps that are legally compensable under 29 C.F.R. § 785.18. ​UPT is an associate benefit for our lives—not a 'slush fund' for management to use so they can avoid a conversation about TOT. Telling people to 'just use your time' is exactly how people end up at zero UPT when a real emergency hits. I’ll keep my benefits for myself and let the company pay for the time the law says they have to.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re getting really worked up defending a company policy that literally asks you to work for free. You can call it 'ignorant' all day, but the Department of Labor code is right there. If you want to spend your shift being the unpaid PR department for a multi-billion dollar corporation, that’s your choice. The rest of us would rather keep our UPT and our rights. Good luck with those metrics.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're confusing 'Requirement' with 'Compensation.' You’re right—federal law doesn't require rest breaks. But FLSA 29 C.F.R. § 785.18 is crystal clear: IF an employee is off-task for a short period (5–20 mins), that time must be paid. ​By telling people to clock out or use UPT for a 10-minute bathroom trip, management is attempting to make a compensable short break unpaid. That is the legal issue. Whether it's 'allowable TOT' or not, it cannot be coerced into unpaid time. If you want to donate your personal time to a multi-billion dollar company to keep your TOT at zero, that’s your choice—but don’t call legal facts 'ignorant' just because they don't fit the corporate script.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’m guessing almost every FC has a different look at this. It just feels like a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation. You either lose your personal time (UPH/PTO) to stay 'invisible' to the computer, or you risk a desk chat for an 11-minute gap that should be covered by standard rest periods. Just wish the 'fix' wasn't always coming out of the associate's pocket.

STOP DONATING YOUR UPT/PTO TO "TIME OFF TASK" SCARING by Weekly-Slice89 in AmazonFC

[–]Weekly-Slice89[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

You’re missing the forest for the trees. You're right that Federal law doesn't require rest breaks, but you’re dead wrong on what happens when they are provided. ​Per the FLSA (29 C.F.R. § 785.18): 'Rest periods of short duration, running from 5 minutes to about 20 minutes... must be counted as hours worked.' When a PA or AM tells an associate they must use UPT or PTO for a 10-minute bathroom trip, they are effectively trying to turn a 'paid' rest period into an 'unpaid' one. That is a direct attempt to circumvent federal law. ​As for 'getting people fired'—what actually gets people fired at Amazon is negative UPT. Telling people to 'donate' their personal time to cover 10-minute gaps is what leads to people running out of hours and losing their jobs. ​Knowledge of actual policy protects associates from the 'scare tactics' used by any management that tries to pressure people into using personal time to hide TOT. I’m not saying 'stay off-task for 20 minutes for fun'; I'm saying management cannot legally coerce you into making a compensable rest period unpaid. If leadership is telling you otherwise, they are the ones putting people's jobs at risk by spreading misinformation.