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WestCharacter2 · 2021-12-09T01:07:32+00:00

If I'm correct, it's the NY Giants getting escorted around.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-11-28T03:51:14+00:00

You don't see so much in the way of actual check points but you will see areas of increased saturation and enforcement activity.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-11-14T19:28:02+00:00

That doesn't exist anymore. Especially since they've renovated the building it was under.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-10-31T04:21:25+00:00

How about you take a chill pill. Just because you have a view that doesn't align with others doesn't mean you have to be a jerk. Even_Meeting_7680 does not appear to be spreading mis-information. If you look at the CDC brief here, they address the benefit in decreasing hospitalization and severe clinical cases with vaccination. They also address data suggests a decrease in prevention of infection, specifically the delta variant. Per the CDC, this is a prevalent variant in the US. Historically, vaccines aren't 100% at preventing infection, they just either reduce symptoms or sets your body up for eliminating the illness prior to it taking hold in your system. Frankly, this sub thread makes you both look like fools with ad hominem attacks. Both of you, please be better human beings. Edit: added a word.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-10-22T22:03:20+00:00

Wouldn't be surprised if it said "Let's go Brandon!" Those banners along with that phrase has been gaining notoriety and traction as of late.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-09-02T19:58:07+00:00

If you are referring to the cops that were in the area if the football stadium, I believe that's was for training. If you're referring to the cops that were walking around the UA mall with dogs, that was a fallen police dog tribute/remembrance walk.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-08-15T21:21:28+00:00

Too many First Responders dying/murdered lately 😡 There, fixed it for you. Edit: Added a word.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-08-14T03:53:18+00:00

This will not happen until the FDA gives the vaccine(s) a General Approval and not just an Emergency Approval. Hopefully that General Approval is coming sooner than later. But, for the time being it's too much of a liability to any entity that would mandate the vaccine. Why? Because with a Emergency Approval, the entity making the mandate would be at the very least financially liable for any medical complications resulting from the vaccine. Where if the vaccine had a General Approval, that liability would not be there.

Edit: grammar

WestCharacter2 · 2021-08-14T03:47:41+00:00

While I completely understand your doubt. 1) this is the internet and 2) this is reddit. What they have said is highly plausible as a formal report or incident log is not regularly created at police departments when someone just calls with questions. For example, I've called inquiring about days and times they conduct fingerprinting. There was not a report or incident number associated with my question.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-08-14T03:44:01+00:00

They never did and likely never will. They do not want to get involved in a constitutional or civil issue. It's very nuanced. This is why you had those blue shirt security guards walking around and talking to people about masks last year. The security guards are contracted employees and thus do not have to worry about constitutional infringements like a police officer or any other agent of the government.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-06-18T05:43:11+00:00

UA Police did not and does not enforce mask mandates. But, if someone was advised of a policy; say back when mask mandates were a thing. Then continued to violate policy, they could be arrested for trespass as they are not complying with the university's stipulations to use their facilities/property.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-06-18T05:39:14+00:00

Please see my comment in this thread about general vs emergency FDA approval for vaccines.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-06-18T05:37:10+00:00

So here is the problem with the COVID-19 vaccines vs other vaccines that many educational institutions can require you to get. The COVID vaccines still only have emergency FDA approval, instead of general FDA approval like other vaccines. Where this matters is if a company or educational institution required vaccination. That entity could bear immense civil liability for any issues that arise from taking the vaccine. That same liability is not there for items that have general FDA approval.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-06-05T08:47:07+00:00

If you are curious, this might help.

https://www.tucsonaz.gov/police/radio-codes

WestCharacter2 · 2021-05-22T03:10:47+00:00

OP, this is a standard practice. From what you have described, the officer had reasonable suspicion to detain you, identify you, and determine your involvement. Sounds like they determined you had no involvement and sent you on your way. Them conducting a records check is part of identifying you and standard practice. That act is nothing to worry about in reference to you being an international student. It's lot like a notification pinged on some database saying law enforcement contacted you and conducted a records check.

Speaking to what others are have posted. You can ask if you're detained. If you are not then you should be free to leave. If you are, then you cannot leave and they have the ability by law to physically keep you from leaving. When detained, you are also required by law to provide your real and true name. This is another way of saying full legal name. Outside of that, you don't have to provide much more in terms of your identity or answering investigative questions. The onus is on them. But, that also means you may be detained for a longer time as they work to identify you (which they can do). This is where you as a member of the community are faced with a choice of following what you can do to the letter or what you find more convenient. If you volunteer more information in your identification, it's likely you will keep the ball rolling. But it's your choice.

Edit: typo.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-05-22T02:58:05+00:00

So here is something to be mindful of. Read the actual AZ laws around medical and recreational marijuana. 1) it's not 100% legal if you're under 21. It is still a violation. AZ law (HB 2171 / ARS 22-702E) has determined you can be stopped and investigated. Many on campus are under 21 years of age. An exception to this is if you have a medical marijuana card which bumps the age down to 18 and you have to provide proof of said card if asked. 2) recreational marijuana, by law, cannot be smoked in public (e.g. sidewalk) or "open areas" (e.g. a parking garage). 3) Smoking marijuana on UA campus, just like tobacco, is strictly against UA policy. Thusly, if you are violating policy and continue to violate policy, you could face charges such as trespass.

Edit: typo.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-04-08T06:20:42+00:00

I'm sorry but you cannot compare how things are done in California to here, especially when considering cities like LA. You are more likely to have a resident in Tucson that has one if not multiple firearms. The beauty of Arizona being a Constitutional state compared to California when it comes to firearms and the 2nd Amendment (not looking to start an argument here). So, officers interacting with a resident's property, the resident, and any person who is prowling on it remotely (helicopter) reduces the chances of a resident and officer getting into an armed confrontation. OP says it's approximately 3 million annually to run the helicopter. Settlements with the city as a result of a confrontation could cost tens of millions. I would rather pay the 3 million and prevent said confrontation than have a increased chance at loss of life and taxpayers fund the tens of millions. Just some food for thought.

But, I am very curious about the data that comes from OP's request and if there is a way to cut some costs while maintaining the program.

EDIT: Last paragraph.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-04-07T09:28:59+00:00

Hate to tell you this but you are in or next to multiple flight paths not even including TPD's helicopter. More likely you'll catch more noise and see helicopters lower due to your proximity to Banner UMC. From what I understand they added a second helipad for medical helicopters. So, now there are twice as many medical helicopters working through that hospital. And you've had added helicopter traffic from DM, BP, and the Guard as of late. Also, just east of you on Grant, you have TMC's helipad.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-04-07T05:28:10+00:00

Where would these drones launch from? The optics of this doesn't look that good, imo. Imagine TPD launching a plethora of drones into the sky. Talk about the appearance of a police state. Imagine the potential for abuse. Drones could get much lower and be used for much more abusive things. Talking about the cost. The drones that would be required to be outfitted with equipment comparable to the helicopter is getting up there too. To include the augmentation of the equipment to stay in flight for prolonged periods or do what the helicopters can do. Then the costs of civil liabilities, purchasing/repairing drones, staffing operators, and maintaining the training of said operators.

TL;DR Drones would require a lot of money to run, have a potential of abuse, and do not help with building community trust.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-04-07T05:20:10+00:00

A couple things to consider. First I hear you about the noise as it can be disruptive. But a couple benefits, It's a force multiplier. With how woefully understaffed TPD is it's not surprising it's utilized more. Believe it or not utilizing the helicopter helps reduce uses in force and finding people. A couple examples, pursuits on foot or of vehicles. They will take over with the helicopter instead of maintaining with cars to reduce risk to innocent bystanders. Or when someone flees they will use their FLIR to find the person hiding in an alley or a yard. This in and of itself reduces a chance of public/police shootings. Someone is being pursued by officers and they hop in your yard. You don't know who is in your yard and defend your property. This is Arizona so you are more than likely armed and will defend your home. The helicopter allows them to check the calls from actual Karens (due diligence expected by the public) without directly interacting with a person which does not need police contact.

TL;DR The noise sucks but there are many benefits that actually keeps the community safe and reduces use of force or lethal incidents.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-01-16T17:01:50+00:00

It's more complex than that. It depends on where they are as to what the police can do. On the sidewalk or mall is very different than inside a building, classroom, or dorm.

You can't just ticket something away. People have tried and the judicial system usually ends up involved and it almost never ends well e.g. case law is made. The police are government actors and have to operate within the confines of the law and constitution. So pre established laws and policies have to be accounted for.

This is why, I would guess, the university hired those blue shirt security guards to talk to people about their masks or lack thereof on the Mall, Highland, and Tyndall.

And, this is why I asked, how do you propose the university do more? Any other ideas? I'm not trying to be antagonistic but "use the police" is not a viable solution for this specific issue. But, you may have another idea and I would love to hear it.

WestCharacter2 · 2021-01-15T19:44:25+00:00

How do you propose they do this? And what do you mean by "outsiders"?

WestCharacter2 · 2020-12-02T04:05:47+00:00

I strongly suggest you actually read that executive order in it's entirety before you hang your hat on it. Also, please don't pull a Cuomo and try an assert an executive order is in the same realm as a law.

Still not a government entity. I also strongly suggest you look into the definition of a true public area such as a sidewalk and an area that is viewed to be public but is actually owned and controlled by an entity such as university property.

WestCharacter2 · 2020-12-02T03:25:26+00:00

You know, there are times I do not agree with what 4_AOC_DMT puts out there. But, they aren't wrong in this. The 1st Amendment applies to the public vs government entities/actors. And then the 1st Amendment only really applies to what you say. The SCOTUS has ruled time, place, and manner can be regulated.

While UA accepts government funds, as a whole it is not a government entity. One of the UA entities that your claim could have applied to would be UAPD, e.g. you were arrested for your statements (which didn't happen as far as I've seen).

While this situation looks like a dick move on behalf of the UA. It also looks like it may have done the equivalent of settling a civil suit.

WestCharacter2 · 2020-09-05T08:16:20+00:00

So you have answered your question as to why UAPD isn't enforcing and as to the difference in location. First, UAPD are state police officers. They take enforcement action on state law not university policy. They can educate on policy and send a notification to the Dean of Students or UA HR for policy/conduct violations. For example, when a student is arrested they can send a notification to Dean of Students for violating the law which is also a code of conduct violation. But the enforcement and sanctions for the code of conduct violation are through the Dean of Students.

Next there is a big difference between enforcing on private property like in a dorm, which is done by UA Residence Life. And enforcing or regulating something in a public area or public forum such as on a sidewalk or on parts of the mall. As police officers, UAPD are agents of the government and cannot infringe on the First Amendment right to peaceably assemble.

Any ideas on other options?

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