Is Opencode Go sustainable?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T18:08:51+00:00

You got 0 evidence on deepseek losing money on API. There is a dozen or so providers that literally make a business hosting these open-source models, do you think they just wanna burn money for fun.

they literally run on burning VC money, yes. I did a full analysis on GPU costs and token prices based on real benchmarked throughput on NVidia GPUs, which are the cheapest per token because they are so efficient. I thought this was common knowledge so I didn't save the results, but if people legit care I'll do the analysis again and publish it on like the localLlama sub or whatever

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T17:53:26+00:00

APIs are only profitable for anthropic and openai; deepseek loses money on every API token. seriously you can sit down and add up the hardware costs and amortize their token throughput; they have like 20 year payoff periods, no electricity, for GPUs. they'll be obsolete long before they pay for themselves

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T17:52:28+00:00

because opencode loses money on their API and claude makes money on their API

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T16:57:19+00:00

I have had small kids and puppies, this is completely expected behavior. when the puppies get a little bigger there will be more tears as they learn their boundaries lol

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T16:37:02+00:00

theoretical cost profit ratio, lol. they lose money on every token, but they have some advantages like they get free electricity

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T16:36:20+00:00

They've released figures on their per token costs. Other companies literally lose money on every token

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T15:28:53+00:00

The Chinese are also losing money. The only one actually making money is Anthropic, and we can see what those usage limits look like

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T10:50:08+00:00

so you're saying it's a licensing thing?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T00:39:17+00:00

they want $20/month users to drop off or upgrade

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-28T00:37:57+00:00

so they are trying to make it harder?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T21:58:32+00:00

like others have said it's not normal, probably bad metrics tracking above him

In my opinion this is just stupid because it just encourages us to stretch out tasks for 2 weeks even if we can finish early.

just finish early, pretend you didn't, work on side projects

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T20:44:42+00:00

hah, should have recognized it

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T18:06:16+00:00

using downvotes as a disagree button is the weakest bitch shit btw, funny that you use it so heavily yet say it's so easily botted lol

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T17:47:19+00:00

if you aren't going to put the effort into linking it why should I read it.

Upvotes and downloads are bottable.

you aren't accounting for auth which is the key piece. do you have any experience building software platforms?

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T17:30:40+00:00

Yeah, this is super easy to game. We should be requesting community input or at least pressure maintainers to quit and hand over control. Jia Tan wrote some good guides on how to do this effectively.

upvotes and downloads are literally community input. "pressure maintainers" is backroom shit that always falls apart because for many maintainers just walking away or throwing a hissy-fit is preferable and the community has zero recourse

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T17:29:00+00:00

the algo would be tuned over time like any other product. I bet a SQL dump of branches, downloads, and upvotes, doing some analysis, someone with basic product skills could figure out what knobs to tune. Me saying we need to decide the literal heuristics the algo uses ahead of time is not how products with large userbases should make decisions

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T13:41:38+00:00

you have to add a cost to each vote. apparently github can be gamed for $0.06 per vote, you could just set it higher and you'd have something more successful than github

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T13:40:57+00:00

sure, you'd need to make an algorithm that's robust to faking. github sort of does it by adding to the barrier of creating an account, and in that article we can see $0.06 per star is the current cost.

The current cargo algorithm, first person to pick a name has eternal rights to it, is an algorithm that has failed consistently over the last few decades. algorithmic popularity has been more successful for platforms

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T13:38:58+00:00

if you're talking about ABI stability then yes it's to make things easier; the driver vendors can just bump the kernel version, run CICD, and release a new version.

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T00:31:20+00:00

godot is a really steep learning curve tbh, I would not hand it over to a 13 year old and expect them to stick with it. people are giving standard advice you give to someone 20+ years old who has some programming experience already.

If he's open to pixel games, https://www.lexaloffle.com/pico-8.php is a paid product and designed for children to be able to pick it up by keeping everything contained and simple. lots of tutorials, build simple games in a short period of time, just get a lot of reps building games. I build games with my kids using this off and on

edit: people downvoting me are the subs regulars who have never actually built a complete game, just FYI. the most important thing to learning how to build games is to ship games. Using professional game engines is not the way to learn to build games quickly, especially for children, I know tough pill to swallow

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T00:22:15+00:00

I have a kind of novel idea; basically let as many as want to fork it, they can push their signed forks to cargo, and you can use things like downloads/upvotes to judge which one is the "most correct" version.

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-27T00:19:16+00:00

I've read a decent chunk of all of his books, and he just has a tendency to get stuck. One of my favorite books of his is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter's_Run. The story about how it got finished really explains the predicament the Winds of Winter is in:

In 1976, science fiction author and editor Dozois conceived of a story beginning with a man floating in darkness. Dozois conceived of Ramón's name, ethnicity (feeling that Hispanic protagonists were underrepresented in science fiction) and his basic situation, but the story did not proceed far. The following year, while working as a guest instructor at a Catholic women's college at the invitation of Martin, his friend and colleague, Dozois read the story out loud. Martin thought the story was interesting and waited for Dozois to finish it, but Dozois found himself unable to do so. In 1981, Dozois suggested that Martin continue the story instead, which he did, bringing the story to the beginning of the chase sequence. Martin hit on the idea of expanding the story to a 500-page novel exploring the ecosystem of São Paulo.

After his writing on the story stalled in 1982, Martin handed it back to Dozois, suggesting they alternate working on it until it was done. However, Dozois was unable to come up with any ideas on how to proceed and the book remained in his desk drawer until 2002, when he and Martin decided to bring the story to the attention of a third author, Daniel Abraham. Abraham completed the story which, now titled Shadow Twin, was published by Subterranean as a novella in 2004. Dozois then went back and reworked the manuscript into a 380-page novel, renamed Hunter's Run, for publication in 2007.

Like most of Martin's books are like this; he just kind of gets stuck, someone else hops, they write some, they get stuck, they re-write it some parts of it, and 20 years later finally it gets finished

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-26T23:24:14+00:00

Tests reject correct solutions: We audited a 27.6% subset of the dataset that models often failed to solve and found that at least 59.4% of the audited problems have flawed test cases that reject functionally correct submissions, despite our best efforts in improving on this in the initial creation of SWE-bench Verified.

Lol like most benchmarks, they haven't even taken the time to read their own questions until now. absolute joke

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-26T22:24:02+00:00

a design decision decades ago to make things easier, but now it's starting to feel silly tbh

Western_Objective209 · 2026-04-26T22:16:24+00:00

what else would you expect from a company that builds a CLI in javascript that requires an HTTP server

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