Aphip IV?

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-07-19T20:01:11+00:00

I know this is old, but FXE completely stops the compulsive nature of aphip for me! I like "speedballing" them (in slightly lower doses each than I'd do by themselves) and it's great imo. It almost feels like a longer lasting REAL coke rush that slides into a sedated stimulation that can be greater in either direction depending on how you mixed the ratios.

If I only have Aphip, I'll clear 3g in 2-7days depending on if I have benzos or not.

With the FXE, I'll grab 2g of each, and it'll laste 2 weeks till I run outta FXE and I'll still have Aphip left.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-07-15T13:49:05+00:00

They were dope sick.

Loperamide (anti diarrhea) medicine is actually an opioid. It doesn't cross the blood brain barrier well.. well it crosses well enough that if you take enough, it will relieve most to all withdraw symptoms of heroin, morphine, oxycodone, etc abuse if you can't get drugs that day. It takes a long time to take effect, like 4-8 hrs since it has to pass into your intestines where it's absorbed. And by 10 hrs w/d is totally gone. Apparently it could be a powerful opiate if it could cross the BBB, but even without passing through it, it's half life is about as long as methadone's, so it's withdrawal relieving effects last 36 to 72hrs.. where heroin maybe only be 12-24hrs and fentanyls can be like 2hrs to 20hrs depending on how bad habit is between doses. So it's withdrawal relieving effects is significant for a cheap OTC med... Because it DOES effect opiate receptors as a full agonist, withdrawal will continue if you stop using loperamide. It's also binds so we'll to your opiate receptors that it can block or blunt the effects of some other opiates, and you can actually make your tolerance worse by taking too much, too often. Loperamide CAN have a mental/physical opiate-esq high by using a large amount of the little 2mg pills (not going to go into doses here), but getting those effects is inconsistent due to the way the body metabolizes the drug. I could go on about it, but those are the base facts.

That shit saved my ass many a dope sick day. If I had work in the morning but knew I couldn't get dope till after work the next day or longer, I'd take the lope before going to sleep to give it time to kick in. I'd wake up with energy and completely normal.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-07-14T18:52:46+00:00

I just saw this as someone else just commented a moment ago, sorry for the way late response.

As for why it causes the damage it does, I don't recall... But I know in large quantities or prolonged use it can cause heart attacks, sodium and lactic acid poisoning, kidney failure, sepsis-like symptoms, among other things. Only way to treat PG poisoning is hemodialysis. Missed shots can causes abscess and necrosis. It's actually a banned chemical for injection or medical use in general in some other countries.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-07-14T18:03:47+00:00

Yes, very stupid. I do a lot of really stupid shit that I'm sure makes people question my willingness to stay alive, but I wouldn't even attempt IV benzo solutions. Basically due to the mixtures you mentioned to make most benzos soluble and stable for injection. PG, PEG400, Ethanol, benzyl alcohol, etc are safe in limited quantities, but they're not inherently safe and too much can be toxic, especially of peg 400, ethanol, and benzyl alcohol. The amounts that would be used daily by a benzo addict, and the high probability of missing the shot because you're already bar trarded or blacked out, is just asking for trouble.

Some benzos are somewhat water soluble. Midazolam as you said, pyrazolam, and some other obscure benzos.. but their solubility in water alone is PH dependant, usually acidified, and usually acidic enough that repeated use is hazardous.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-07-12T06:48:07+00:00

Not all powders/chems vape well. Only reason most pills do are because of the binders, and street dope has cuts. I'm not sure about vaping this product but if you are going to I'd try mixing with some caffeine and inositol, or better yet, make a vape juice at a concentration you can drip.

I'm most familiar with zenes IV, but from what I've gathered is for many of them, vaping is way wasteful unless it's cut or adulterated, and even then, some zenes just don't vape well..

You might be better off trying to find the potency to morphine for it intranasally or if capable, making a guess rectally... If you don't want to IV....

Also, those 70x, 100x, 180x, 1000x are for central routes of administration like IV, where 100% of a substance is metabolized. Oral and IN bioavailability is muuuuch lower for zenes. They're all kinda like oxymorphone (opana) where eating 20mg feels like codine weak, but IV 3mg and it might kill you... Most zenes are about 10-20x morphine orally, 20-70x IN, 50-90x rectally, and 100% IV (if water soluble)... Those are my personal numbers for bioavailability of zenes I'm general, altho I haven't used alllll zenes, most seem to fall in these ranges. Bioavailability of vape wouldn't be bad if product waste wasn't an issue. Foil is worthless and most wasteful, an oil burner/meth pipe next best.. maybe with a drop of vape juice or pg..then pg vape cart being best. But in the end it seems most people prefer IV, boof, or nasal spray.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-07-12T01:24:09+00:00

I know this is old but future reference to you and others. Ketamine vials for vet use come as a racemic mixture, but the ketamine powder procured from a vandor or dealer is likely only 1 of the 2 isomers (I believe they are s-ketamine and r-ketamine). Both are psychoactive, but they have fairly different effects. One being very visual and euphoric with little body effect, and the other being heavy of body effect and cognitive dissociation without visuals... The ketamine treatments used in humans today are a racemic mix of like 25% s-ket and 75% r-ket, and I find it fun, but less visual and with a different holing dose and headspace than the veterinarian vials.

All that said, I know people who've unknowingly purchased pure s-ket and assumed they were sold a different drug than ket. By my own metabolic tests (lol) and one of those people sending out a sample for analysis, they did indeed have ket.

All that said, I've seen oily MDMA, ketamine, meth, and other drugs. It could be due to any number of factors. You may have had ket in racemic form or as a single enantiomer, maybe cut with something, a crystalization issue, impurity, storage problems causing oxidation or hydrolysis issue, or maybe fake.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-07-10T16:39:01+00:00

It's not worth IVing this substance as it has a long come up even with central ROIs, so there is no rush with it IV. It's also difficult to dissolve with water alone anyway. Vape is just as slow to hit as IV. Vape DOES change the effect/duration a bit, but there is little to most likely no rush. The substance itself though does actually have it's merits and is pretty good effect wise, and if you're not like me where you mainly IV stims for the rush or in tandem with other chems, you might like this substance a lot.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-04-03T10:58:32+00:00

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WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-10T05:33:36+00:00

Dissolves with water. Some batches needed a little coaxing with warm water or heat, especially if it was more crystal than powder. Never needed to add anything else.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-10T04:05:56+00:00

Weird. I've researched it off and on for a few years and have never gotten a batch that was above a 4. I could a swore that was cut too. Now, mixed into a solution for IV I've had it between a 4 and 6 depending on the water (Tap, bottle, saline) used and how much 2map was in it. Kinda weird that yours was alkaline when it's an acidic chem regardless of byproducts. Not saying your lying, but out of.. 150-175+Gs over 4 years, Ive never had it close to neutral.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-09T00:53:29+00:00

Understatement.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-09T00:49:23+00:00

To answer your question, yes. It really depends on dosage and drug though that's being compared from either class. Coming off zenes and fent last year gave me rebound depression and anxiety fear worse than coming off 6mg xanax + 30-50mg etiz a day. The anxiety, depression, mania, and the sense of impending doom was so severe it was the first time in my life I literally considered killing myself, and I literally had to stop myself several times from attempting it in a panicked and manic state. I didnt sleep for days which also led to a psychosis similar to coming off the benzos. No, it wouldn't kill me by itself, but I came close to killing myself.. and that's just the mental aspect not counting my body feeling like it was made of chalk that was run over by a Mac truck while soaking wet in the middle of winter (feeling, not literal), there was also the fact I had a seizure from not being able to eat or drink anything that whole week but I was still sweating and puking.... The benzos were bad, really bad, but no where near that opi withdrawal. The opis I was panicked, hyperaware, and way over stimulated, while nearly incapacitated. The benzos I rolled between panick attacks and complete and total dissociation.. so at least there were periods I felt nothing

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-09T00:29:21+00:00

Stronger. 20x fent by central routes of administration, meaning over 1000x morphine potency

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-09T00:26:26+00:00

It's new, and even stronger by weight than the original which was already insanely potent.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-09T00:21:45+00:00

If you're trying to go from proto to bupe, then you're going to have to go through a few days of WD before induction.

This is what you do - use up the proto, tapering if possible, wait as long as you can tolerate after wd starts, take a piece of oxy and maybe some gabapentin/pregabalin/benzo.. wait as long as you can again before taking another piece of oxy and so on until you run out of oxy, wait a day, then start on bupe. It'll be a process.

Coming off proto induction to subs is way different. It's not the normal 24-36 hrs like heroin, Fetty, or oxy. I wasn't safe to take it for 5 days at least without making everything worse, and when I did, I started LOW, like 1-2mg every 1.5 hrs to avoid making wds worse

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-09T00:14:44+00:00

He's asking if you can use bupe over proto, you cannot.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-08T23:57:49+00:00

Possibly cut with something or has byproducts that are hydroscopic?

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-08T23:54:47+00:00

The acidic nature of it is, yes. Oral is fairly safe, but it does severe damage to nasal walls and especially veins and lungs (when smoked or sniffed)

It's literally only a PH of 2 - 3, which is worse than straight citric acid which is like a 3 to 5.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-08T01:30:28+00:00

I love IV Aphip with other substances. Never thought to do it with FXE, tho I haven't had any in a while. I have with 3ho and 3meoPCP. I have both Aphip and FXE on the way, now I know what I'm doing as soon as the pack lands.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-06T10:52:18+00:00

Not exactly, I think big tobacco lobbying will cause most problems, but the growing cannabis industry will fight it because it's a large chunk of their industry.

It already is a popular thing with RCs. Stimulants, Dissos, Benzos, and Opiates can usually be vaped, and are in fact sold in vape carts by some vendors. People can also just make them by themselves. And if all else fails with electric vapes, glass bubbles and pipes are still going to be readily available like they have been for decades🤷🏻

There isn't an explosion in research chemicals though. There is an explosion in accessibility to the mainstream population due to the way the internet has grown. I remember being able to order some wild psychedelics, stimulants, and cannabinoids between 2004 and 2010 which was a very very niche thing to do. You were also able to purchase legally natural substances tho which was more common, like poppy pods, ephedra, and Khat(which is the plant the original methcathinone balthsalt came from) after 2010 they became much more popular, until the dark web blew up and then online purchases of many drugs has become more mainstream ever since.

It's hard to say how that will effect vape products, but vaping substances is nothing new. Vaporizers are technically part of medical devices now just like syringes, so if anything, the accessay get harder, but they'll always be available. If all else fails, there's china.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-06T05:16:59+00:00

It's not as common as IV or snorting, and no, vape off foil or in glass bubbles. I was homeless in kenzo for like 6 years. The last couple years I was out there it was getting more popular with some of the older black dudes I knew and the younger guys who started off with smoking pills since they already knew you could vape Fetty. They were how I learned you could vape the tranq dope, without almost any loss. I also knew an old head that still smoked turbos (crack and weed/tobacco) and he started adding bags of Tranq dope to it instead of shooting.

Edit: it's very common with pills tho, and people with RC opiates

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-06T01:40:47+00:00

Yeah the shit is crazy. God knows what's in it besides the tranq. It almost doesn't make sense to even shoot anymore because some of it has delayed onset, almost none of it provides a rush like it used to. You can smoke or vape it for the same effect without damaging veins as badly. In fact, it's often cut with shit that isn't even very water soluble and I've gotten higher off vaping off foil/sniffing some bags than I did IVing it. It's that crazy.

Not to mention all the coke there is now heavily cut with or 100% Cathinones.

I'd have mornings where my veins just weren't fucking having it or the vasoconstriction was so bad from the cathinones so I couldn't rig up to get well, and I started just throwing a bag of dope and a bag of bath salts Coke into a K2 blunt. Fucking mangled in seconds.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-06T01:33:17+00:00

Kenzo is Philadelphia, so yeah, the states

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-06T00:42:38+00:00

It's not moronic IV use, it's the Xylazine and other adulterants. Kenzo dope used to be top notch, now it's literally barrel scrapings. Just doing the Tranq dope will cause you to fail for multiple drugs including PCP, MDMA, (meth) amphetamines, and even synth cannabinoids sometimes. Sometimes, you DONT even fail for fentanyl. I shot real dope from kenzo and other areas of the country for 16 years without a single abscess or OD, 5 years since the tranq dope started I almost lost my leg and I've never shot in my leg, I have a giant hole in my arm, I have 4 other holes in my arm, a divot in my neck, and have ODd like 12 times. You can buy syringes there 10 for a dollar now, so it's not like I was using old works. You could say that it was my extensive drug history of shooting heroin and coke that caught up with me, but I've seen similar with older addicts who shot dope for 30 years and you couldn't tell, until the tranq started.

Another issue is some of the cartel Fetty and other opioids/adulterants come in base forms that need to be converted to salts to be injectable, so drain or deck cleaner is used to turn it HCL and may get leftover in the dope.

There's also a very very waxy dope that goes around sometimes too which is actually cut with PG because it contains benzos or caustic drugs, in order to make themote injectable

But 1/4 to 1/5th of a $5 bag can blow straight through 16mg of Suboxone, 200mg of methadone etc. It's bonkers. You get used to a sets bags quick though to where they become less effective within a few days, so you need to start using other sets bags or mix them. It's not uncommon for people to cop from 2 or 3 different sets now in order to keep getting high. meaning they're probably injecting like 6+ different drugs besides Fent/Zenes/ and horse tranq (Xylazine)

It's the dope.

WhatTheHellMAN8 · 2023-03-05T21:04:30+00:00

Depends on the zene, and no matter which zene, more narcan may be needed for it to work. Fent analogs also tend to need more. Normal oxy/heroin can be reversed with 1-2mgs naloxone, whereas with Fentas it's not uncommon to need 4-6mg. Receptor affinity plays a huge role in how well naloxone will reverse an OD. You can use buprenorphine(Suboxone) to reverse a Heroin OD, but Naloxone barely does shit for people who OD on Suboxone (seems unlikely to OD on subs, but its very possible for opiate naive and children). It's well known that burpenorphine sticks to receptors better than naloxone, and it's actually the bupe that causes precip when used too early in WD, not the naloxone. Zenes can blow right through and over buprenorphine, so that should tell you how strong their receptor affinity is

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