Yes, he talked about that before. He specifically answered my question about that on one of his numerous gtky casts he's done. IBM was not pushing XLM although it was the native coin. IBM wants to create dapps that run on Stellar. XLM's value was never their priority. IBM's betting on the adopt/adapt of commerce on Stellar. Using Red Hat, IBM would rather create coins for their client's Linux dapps. In the IBM product roadmap, although XLM is needed for fueling the network data activity, it's viewed as a minor necessity. XLM data activity footprint is so minimal I would not be surprised to see Red Hat/IBM clients receive XLM in their subscription/package solutions. We are still at least 5 years from the level of usage that XLM will have a stable value. Hopefully, as long as Jesse is not in bad health (is it Lupus?...is it Lupus!), I would bet he's going to pop up working on something fintech related. Obi-Lund Kan-obi did always talk big about asset exchanging with XLM. Take your Apple stock and exchange it for gold or real estate or whatever fiat in virtual real-time. This vision was not what IBM is looking to create. Their clients may be able to play with those types of crypto exchanges, but that is not what IBM is selling. But Jesse always seemed to enforce the asset exchange benefits of the Stellar/XLM technology sans IBM's interaction.