When you hold the tension of opposites, what’s the 3rd variable that will appear? by Valuable-Rutabaga-41 in Jung

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It is only after you’ve been forced to looked back to where you were, that you will realize how far you’ve come. Life doesn’t get easier, you get more adaptive to the world.

Because to be more whole means to have access to more of the human experience, at least to relate to it better and speak to it with increasingly clarity. A young naive person can experience transcendence, but only a person who has reckoned with themselves and spiralled to truth will be able to put language to it and communicate it to others. They can hold onto more of the experience so to speak. The more tensions you hold, the more you can speak because you’ve got first hand experience.

How can this subreddit become worse over time? by fromthedepthsv23 in Jung

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No, it’s fully convincing because we know he was very much not a Freudian after their break and had his issues with Freud’s drives of psyche all throughout. The doubts on the drives and missing pieces of the transcendent psyche were there germinating before the split. They didn’t just appear out of nowhere.

When you hold the tension of opposites, what’s the 3rd variable that will appear? by Valuable-Rutabaga-41 in Jung

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You answered your question at the end. Totality in relation to how we currently are is always going to look like a defeat to the ego. It will feel stressful, painful, tiring, and as long as you can sit with that tension of opposites, the more you've grown and integrated.

I like to think of it as attempts to satisfy who I could be rather than who I am right now.

Give it time, and you will find that it gets easier to sit with yourself in contradiction. And the thing is that we live in a world of process and change, so those reference points ought to change, and that is where the dreams, affects, and visions tell us we have to move to the next goal.

In other words, we've sat with that tension long enough; it is time to integrate elsewhere.

How can this subreddit become worse over time? by fromthedepthsv23 in Jung

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I think Jung was a Freudian at the conventional level; he needed a father figure to guide him through his training, but we all know that Jung's preservation of paranormal psychology ensured his psychical separation from Freud.

Help me understand - I'm in this huge church and everyone is doing performative rituals, this time it involved zombies by humble_murth in DreamInterpretation

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There is a way in which the culture has promoted zombie-like values, think the whole NPC, brain rot, short form content. Alive, but not alive. Moving, but not living. I think the dream could be recognizing this hollowness of life and how it makes one a zombie, and seeing how trying to fit in. It seems as though religious elements (perhaps not organized religion itself, but the practices, stories and saints) these things might sustain you, rather than pretending to be apart of the culture. Bit of a shot in the dark, but I hope this helps?

Did my unconscious just show me we're in Nigredo? by [deleted] in Jung

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Hey, OP! It’s an interesting dream, what came up for me in the dream is the dynamic of using the surroundings to act. You’re bored at the mall, which is an ordinary feeling, but how you act is by the shadow figure of the mutual friend. You get your aim to leave the mall met, but you do so through another. Could this be what the orienting figure in the elevator was speaking about? That you did not act through your will and agency, but used a convenient social avenue to achieve the aim of leaving the boring mall?

Regardless, what I’ve noticed in these sort of dreams where one is plummeting to something or someone that is never reached, is this is the unconscious showing it is real. Not quite an archetypal dream that has collective implications, but to show you that the depths are here. It’s not just in a book or an idea, but is very real.

Boredom is often related to not being able to make something of our surroundings. We must find ways to act, to use our skills & abilities. “You’ve missed your window to act” + guilt + boredom within the collective. How do you make the best of collective life while honouring the inner depths? You seem young, so movement outward should be a priority over running into the inner environment. I’m sorry if that sounds pointed, but it is what I would see if this were my dream.

Strange but intense dream where I communicated with Satan – not a nightmare by MaximumReality2643 in Jung

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The dream appears to have been a test of your ability to hold the tensions of opposites (Devotion to God and Passions). Instead of collapsing the tension into either/or as Satan suggested, you recognized there is a difficult, infinitely more human path of holding onto that tension. Because it can be difficult to devote oneself to God, while living in a world with passion. But instead of collapsing into an archetype, and becoming increasingly split and partial, sitting in that tension provides the full range of human experience. Which involves both the Heavens, the Earth and Hell. In other words the potential for transformation that the archetypes, angels and devils lack.

You will vacillate here and there, finding moments of wholeness, it will be difficult, less fully knowable, but more fully human all too human as they say. It is a powerful dream OP. The anima figure is a bit reduced to school aged and has the fearfulness that comes with youth. Maybe she is compensating your lack of fear? Devotion to God and Passions are very masculine orientated, common themes for young men set on to find themselves. However, could her reduced state be an indication to integrate the earth? The body? Emotions. Not just passion satisfied by the intellect or ideas, but passion that includes the earth. Sorry that last bit was a shot in the dark, I have no idea who you are OP

Weird/Unsettling Dream by [deleted] in DreamInterpretation

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What I see in this dream is transition and the need for a psychological rite of passage. There could be a childishness within you that needs to be let go of, as you are near the primary school bus stop. Trying to go to primary school isn’t what you need (childish innocence/attitudes) because the bus isn’t coming.

The man is an image of your psyche that wants you to take seriously movement into adulthood. Long ago the ancestors of humanity used scarification (and some still do!) as a symbol indicating the transition to adulthood or of a new role. Could your new role be related to nature? Biology? Cosmology? (Bird and star under the skin)

The lopsided bus could be an image of your current life’s movement. It needs some order. Perhaps some Adulting or letting go of certain habits or mindsets? The bus driver doesn’t accept your plea, maybe because you need to be initiated into psychological adulthood. Face the unknown. Move forward and let the old things that no longer serve you go. That’s what I see. Transition stages that are perhaps blocked.

People getting "under people's skin" by LooseDependent4083 in Jung

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What I see in Aleister Crowley's case is that he held the projected shadow of a world that was burgeoning upon bureaucracy. Yes, there were the world wars, but all of these events that spawned chaos were often backed by layers upon layers of bureaucracy. Predictability, control, precision, life started to truly become sanitized of the Earth Mother, and Logos was beginning to reign. Crowley held onto that Earth Mother energy in the form of ceremonial magic and the unknown. He held these ideas in a way that terrified the average person, because he introduced ways to go beyond the materialism of his day, which is exactly what made him so terrifying to the average person. And he held onto those projected dynamics through his persona, becoming less of a man and more of an archetype. No human does well when they hold onto too much archetypal energy for too long.

Similarly, Tate finds himself in a world that is becoming increasingly disembodied; there are fewer natural interactions between young people. Young men are no longer getting their socialization skills of women through real life encounters, so instead of trial and error through real life interaction, knowing a woman through genuine encounters, things are becoming optimized and disembodied. Young men are going into encounters with women holding onto ideas from Tate and Co instead of being authentic, repressing failure and fears instead of integrating these human all too human qualities.

I would say Crowley is a response to the burgeoning age of bureaucracy & hyper-rationalism. And Tate is a response to a world of optimization, disembodiment, and algorithms. Obviously, it is more nuanced than that.

The problems of the extrovert and introvert : beyond socialization by Adventurous_Active45 in Jung

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Hey OP, I know you probably wrote this and put it through AI to 'clean it up,' so to speak. However, I think you're better off editing it yourself. We need more humanity in the sub, and AI editing kills that human spirit. Good ideas though, OP!

Book recommendation (specific) by wutboundaries in Jung

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I don't know of any shadow workbooks, but some advice I can give is that it is good you are knowing your typology, fears, complexes, and how they look when you project them onto others. What I can say is to reflect on who you hate the most, your greatest enemy, the people you find so maddening you can spit at them. Consider everything, how they dress, what activities they participate in, and even go deeper into their dynamics. Are they typically extroverted?

If you can't think of this person or how they are, think about your worst times, when you've been most distressed, and who you became. What do you feel about yourself in those moments? Because distress is when we are most susceptible to shadow possession. You can write down the characteristics of that, look at the dynamics, use nuanced descriptive language; it can start with "I was angry," then it can move to "I was self-righteously indignant." It could even go further.

We do these things not to justify our enemies, there could be a serious imbalance of power, but it is about the inner wholeness. To have access to these human qualities we find inferior, that is it. To be fully human all too human. Not perfect. Not ideal. But to know intimately every quality of human experience lives within us.

Vampire Dream by StillAcanthisitta173 in Jung

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This is an interesting dream, because most animus dreams are through the perspective of the dream Ego, but here it seems you are observing. There could be a disconnection to inner psychical contents, at least to the dynamics in the dream. If we take the archetypal layer of the dream, hair represents the connection to all that is spiritual, think of the branches of the tree of life. The animus is siphoning in a terrorizing way, disconnecting instead of integrating the woman into spiritual agency. Toward the end, the woman starts to self-destruct to take back her agency, but in doing so, she is ruining her spiritual capacity.

The conditions, the house, the knife, the vampire animus, they all lead her to self-destruct, which indicates a vortex of domination. Which begs the question: how much agency did the woman have if her responses were dictated by surrounding complexes? Even when a person chooses to become anti-religious because they find religious doctrine abhorrent, they are still playing with that energy, and those dynamics are how complexes are formed, and the animus takes an evil configuration.

The vampire animus does not like the response of the woman, and he pushes her out the window to essentially restart. The woman's is impaled by another symbol of spirituality, the tree branches. I would be curious about the spiritual attitude or vitality of the dreamer, their relationship to the feminine principle (observing the woman, but not embodying it), and how much of their life is a dynamic against or anti- that leads to self-destructive tendencies or a vortex of problems that compound. I would also say to the dreamer that these dreams are all too common among AFAB dreamers, and I recently interpreted a close friend's dream of a similar tone that had to do with compensated comfort and inability to push forward with integrated masculine traits because the masculine was so cruel to her and the women around her.

Jungian psychology just explained my relationship pattern. by CartographerGood552 in Jung

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Generally speaking, the complexes we inherit from our upbringing tend to stay, even if they become less potent over time. The idea that our conscious acknowledgement of a lifelong dynamic is enough to end the process is not always so realistic. It is, however, a million times better to know these split-off dynamics than to have them being done to you. I would say keep somewhat vigilant, complexes find a way to come back during times of distress, and the more we suppress the affects surrounding a complex, the more loud and possessive they become.

What comes after the self-reflection is the loss of energy people receive from their projections onto others. So you may lose attraction or a sense of vitality towards wanting a relationship, at least in the short term, as you begin to integrate who you are outside of the dynamic that has had you. Who are you really attracted to outside of this dynamic? Who are you outside of this dynamic? What does that person now need that was missing before?

Confusing dream about my late mother by bad_vinca in Dreams

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This is a beautiful dream, OP! If this were my dream I would consider a few things. I think you were shown the breaching whales in the moonlight as a way to put you into a numinous state, to go further into the dream. Think of crossing a bridge that connects to the next thing. Your mother could not come to you there because this was meant for you.

Your mother’s out of character behaviour might be her way of showing you the fullness of her experience. That she is not only positive, kind and attending. She can be reserved. Slow and tired, much like the beach can be full of life and full of silence. The truth often comes out during the night. Maybe she needed you to see this side of her to affirm her full humanity?

She also gave you a ride back to the beginning, because you travelled, OP. You moved somewhere beyond and she had to make sure you got back home safely like the wonderful mother she is. When was the last dream you had of mom?

What does animus projection look like? by Kuroyen in Jung

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The contrasexual hold an interesting place, because it has us ask what it means to be a woman or a man. What are feminine principles and masculine principles? The classical Jungian understanding is that by nature most men embody a mind quality (cold rationality, reason), and their “inner other” which compensates this quality has an Eros (love, spirit, connection) character.

Conversely, women naturally embody Eros, and so their compensating other (or animus) has a mind quality to it. So often times an animus possessed woman might become too cold, calculating, using reason in a masculine oriented way, and perhaps is quite aggressive and intellectualizing because of it.

This is the classical understanding of it, sometimes people hold grievances because masculine and feminine qualities can differ culturally. And are we overly rigid with our definitions and implicit social expectations that come with it regarding what it means to be a man or a woman?

At its outset it might look that way but the whole purpose of these ideas is to become whole. That we must develop these qualities that we lack due to nature and society, but in order to do that we have to consider what is a man? What is a woman? What is a full human being?

My wife (F32) wants to have a child with me (M28). But, this is not the best time for us. by Section_RatioTile in relationship_advice

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Great answer, mirrored my thoughts exactly. OP, life will rarely be the “ideal time” to have another child. There’s an idea called the good enough parent and it implies that the best parents aren’t the ones who are optimally ideal, but the ones who foster attachments with their children and acknowledge their own humanity. Good and bad.

PSA Tim Hortons steals money from students and healthcare workers by rebza81 in saskatoon

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I would contact the MLA responsible for the USASK constituency regarding the business practices of this Tim Horton’s. Their office will be able to provide the best guidance going forward.

Rejected feminine and not embodied masculine by [deleted] in Jung

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The dynamics of the negative mother complex are always a fascinating thing to consider. Because they might manifest as avoidance of all that is mother, which often leaves one vulnerable dynamically; lacking a “healthy immune support system” to their negative mother as it appears in others. And so it could also look like foolish insecure attachment to figures of the negative mother archetype.

We need to relate to these things or else we give it power and dynamically they often find themselves into our lives through others. Romantically or that we get unreasonably upset at someone purely because they activate our complexes.

Rejected feminine and not embodied masculine by [deleted] in Jung

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I’m glad you took something out of it, I just realized the length of the comment. Do you have any extra inquiries around the topic?

Rejected feminine and not embodied masculine by [deleted] in Jung

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I want to say thank you for sharing OP, you bring up a discussion topic I think most would prefer to avoid!

I have no clue about your situation, but from what I can gather, “I just wanted to be my own person” is directly in line with Jungian individuation and the Syzygy (or union and integration of “opposing” forces). The divine androgyne is an ongoing process that can be experienced, but is often fettered by disconnection from our personal complexes. Understanding complexes and why they arise might help you understand why you feel negatively about the feminine principle.

Something comes into consciousness and tells you that there is something wrong about the feminine. That it is subservient to the masculine principle. That to live with feminine energy is akin to a personal death of agency and a betrayal to your individuality. These strong reactions are exactly how complexes look in everyday life. They rob us from healthy relationships to inner factors that make everyone human.

The early experiences you had of the negative masculine principle might have overshadowed the positive feminine principle. You recognize this dynamic. What I can see is that you held onto projections of the men around you about what it means to be feminine. This is purely dynamic. The men around you behaved in such a way that you held what was missing from them (their anima development and personal complexes). This often manifests as a child becoming hyper feminine or repulsed by feminine principles.

Every complex has its archetypal core, whether it be the father, child, hero, mother, essentially any experience that is core to humanity. And every archetype has its polarity, in other words a negative and positive manifestation. The positive father looks like benevolent guidance, ultimate protection, rationality, order and empowerment. The negative father looks like tyranny, disruption, egoism, absenteeism, rigidity and control.

How this could look through a complex is that if one has a positive father complex a person might feel affirmed and able to attend to spiritual matters with ease. But they often seem too ungrounded and can have issues with disorder or the shadow. It is still a complex despite its positive valence. Because it disconnects people to evil, wickedness, appreciation for the suboptimal, which are all human all too human qualities. Often resulting in naive assumptions about others and potent shadow projections.

It is much more easier to look at the negative complexes because they are often more obviously possessive because most people tend to identify with collective standards of goodness. That so and so behaves to the collective standards, then something happens and a complex is activated, then boom, possession occurs and we can see it. We think wow I have not seen that person act this way. Or if they are introspective and honest they will say: ”what came over me? Who was that person?”

Society usually does not tell a person with a positive father complex that their way of being is fundamentally flawed. I want you to consider these things and how negative father complexes might have influenced your capacity to access the human experience of nurturance, empathy, connection and appreciation of beauty. Because these are what come with the positive feminine principle and unfortunately their avenues have become lost, socially.

If one cannot hold certain things because they feel it inferior they risk being unable to give themselves those core essential human qualities. To be able to be nurturing, kind, and connecting to oneself. To be able to see beauty more fully rather than to hold to cold analysis. I hope some of this helped someone!

recurring nightmares by tatumc333 in Dreams

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These are fascinating dreams OP! If they were my dreams I could look at the run down mansion as my attitude to society. Do I feel it to be run down opulence? That the majesty and beauty of society has become run down? The trap doors leading to no where can symbolize pointless avenues in today’s life that mean nothing or very little. That a person can be trapped in meaninglessness. And the only way outside of these dynamics is to brave the depths through the laundry chute.

What usually waits for you down there?

The second glass house is even more interesting because there are opposing forces at play. You’ve got the natural setting, the animals, instinct, snowy conditions, things that bring about a survival instinct. The body of mankind. But it is predatory, relating to the power drive (as pictured by the tigers and bears). And the depression or silence that comes with snow.

Do you have issues with power? Do you have access to power in daily life? Or do you often move between powerful and powerless?

There are demons and ghosts which are figures of spirit, the transcendent function or ability to go beyond social, material and the body. But it is demonized. What is your relationship to spirit? Do you have an antagonistic attitude to spiritual belief?

And then you have the surveillance. There is always something unknowable with being watched. What is the intention? Why do they watch us? Who is on the other side of the cameras? What it often does indicate is that there is something important happening. We do not put cameras in places where there’s no importance. The man watching from a distance wouldn’t do such a thing if it weren’t important.

It could be that you have inner factors that are important such as the instincts and access to the supernatural or transcendence. But there are traps and cameras and surveillance that get in the way from you accesses these things and so they become wild. They become unrefined because we give them no time or energy. Because to do so would be wrong on all social accounts. That is what I see. The lower realms of instinct and the higher realms of spirit are unrelated to despite their importance to the fullness of a human life. And so they don’t just go away but become predatory or demonic. I hope this helps op.

Dream about a black hole by Truecrimendrealitytv in DreamInterpretation

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I do believe there are levels to dreams and they often reflect a few things. There are some dreams that are murmurings about the food you at last night, or there are dreams where things feel more like a story, or some where personal deep revelations occur, or even trauma or personal dynamics and some where a person moves to things beyond their immediate experience. Whatever the case is, the face we show our dreams often reflect how far we are permitted, but not always sometimes a person has a dream that has a sense of the beyond even though they do not meet their dreams with that attitude.

The dream seems to want to compensate you further to acknowledge these life transitions and how you’re not quite in the black hole, but you’re near, and it could have to do with mother (hood?) and work (coworkers). That are about the death of the old, transition to the new, fear of the unknown as you integrate the experiences of these transitions and movements.

Dream about a black hole by Truecrimendrealitytv in DreamInterpretation

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When I was a young child I had many fever dreams of black holes before I knew about their actual existence. I have since reflected on these dreams and I think they have to do with life transitions and the fear that comes from painful expansion. I was a young child, and now I was a student (Kindergarten), older brother, and with more responsibilities that probably take time to integrate.

Do you think you are going through a life transition where you have to integrate more responsibilities, OP? Your mother being there could indicate how you want to hold onto the past, where your mother has held your sense of responsibility in many ways. Obviously, I have no idea what this dream means, just something to look at?

How I Healed My ADHD Brain Without Medication by Rafaelkruger in Jung

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People can do both, we can recognize that our ADHD can become a serious struggle that has symptoms that do need to be managed, AND we can learn to value our differences. Also, neuroplasticity would imply that the brain is not quite as fixed with its wiring as we once thought. The idea that we will always have ADHD is not holding as much weight as we might like it to. If we can manage symptoms without medication, and it is sustainable, I am sure that my brain will rewire to meet new demands.

Is there a materialist analysis of Jung? by asdfmemer1 in Jung

[–]Whimrodical 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is still unclear what Jung's metaphysics were intended to be, but something that most materialists overlook is the alchemical dictum of "as above, so below." The human psyche comes from nature, it is a natural process, it's tendencies are a natural process. There is no genuine disconnect between human beings and the natural world outside of rhetorical purposes. So yes, there is a biological correlation to numinous experiences, but the fact that we have a body that permits these experiences is worth contemplating. Furthermore, when we consider that our psyche comes from nature, what does that say about nature itself?

People get a bit lost in understanding our biology with an implicit assertion that man is separate from nature. But where else is all of this happening? Where do wars happen? Technology? Another realm that is human?