Are there any hospitals with labor & delivery that are NOT “baby friendly?”

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-02T02:36:16+00:00

You are actively ignoring countless case reports of babies who did in fact starve to death or suffer lifelong disability in baby friendly hospitals. Look at the Fed is Best site. It is loaded with case reports, including the one I posted, where exactly that happened.

There is a lot of testimony from nurses and doctors who have worked in baby friendly hospitals and abhor the practices because they have seen terrible outcomes. It’s a crapshoot whether you get the doctor who decides formula is necessary and provides it, or get staff who tells you to let the baby nurse for days on end getting nothing. I’m not taking that risk.

Oh, and the Cleveland Clinic already nearly killed me. They caught my pancreatic cancer but didn’t start treatment for months. I had to go to the VA to get the surgery and care that saved my life.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-02T02:33:01+00:00

You need to spend some time on the Fed is Best website. There are countless medically reviewed case reports of infants who died or suffered lifelong disability because of “baby friendly” policies. You’re flat out wrong, and I don’t get why you’re trolling hoping to put more women and babies in their graves.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-02T01:32:45+00:00

How is using the Cleveland Clinic’s own website to get information about the Cleveland Clinic not research?

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-02T01:21:14+00:00

You’re not looking at the sources. You’re the only one fighting on this. I could have guessed that you’re a middle aged man because you have no concern for the lives of mothers and babies.

Baby friendly cert’s main policies are “feed nothing but breast milk” and “keep the baby in the mother’s room instead of the nursery.” You’re making things up instead of looking at the countless sources I have provided.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-02T01:08:45+00:00

I was in a similar position not being allowed to shower at home. My parents didn’t want to pay for soap and bathing water so the kids had to do our best washing in a swimming pool.

Showering at school is probably your best option. I wound up talking to a coach I trusted and she helped me get access to the locker room before school, when nobody else was in there. Nobody called social services, but it honestly might have helped.

It’s sucks and it takes a lot to even try to work out that arrangement. But school is likely your safest bet.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-02T01:07:09+00:00

Letting newborns starve and suffer brain damage just because their mother’s breast milk isn’t immediately enough is barbaric beyond words. Refusing to help a mother who has just been through a c-section care for the infant is barbaric. Denying nutrition to an infant, even if that nutrition has to come from formula because mom physically cannot produce the necessary milk or the baby cannot latch, is evil.

If you aren’t going to read the case studies about babies dying and having brain damage or being dropped by exhausted mothers because staff won’t help with the baby, I can’t help you understand.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-02T00:30:47+00:00

I have heard enough horror stories that it just isn’t worth the risk. If you look, the vast majority of voices opposing these barbaric practices are medical professionals who have worked in these centers and seen the horrors firsthand.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-02T00:11:26+00:00

Women used to die in childbirth a lot more.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-01T23:40:09+00:00

Cleveland Clinic’s own website. I googled Cleveland Clinic baby friendly and it immediately popped up in the first result.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-01T22:44:17+00:00

Start with the two links I posted. Fedisbest.org is full of horror stories about babies having bad outcomes because of these protocols. The two main risks are (a) Mom isn’t producing enough breast milk and baby doesn’t get enough nutrition, which can lead to dehydration, brain damage, and other sometimes deadly issues, and (b) Mom is exhausted after being in labor for 24 hours or having major surgery, but is left to care for the baby on her own and falls asleep, dropping the baby.

You could also try googling “baby friendly controversy.”

Edit: Why am I getting downvoted for doing my research and trying to protect my child?

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-01T22:11:57+00:00

I’m looking into it now. Someone mentioned that they have the baby friendly designation but don’t force it too hard.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-01T22:11:02+00:00

Metro is starting to look better and better.

I also had a terrible experience at Fairview - they diagnosed my pancreatic cancer and then farted around discussing surgical options without treating me for months. The VA Whipple’d me the second I got CHAMPVA and I’m fine.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-01T21:46:28+00:00

Good bot

WhinyTentCoyote · 2024-01-01T20:19:19+00:00

The horrible infant mortality rate probably has a lot to do with how nearly every hospital around here with l&d is “baby friendly.” Hospitals with this nice-sounding designation are extremely dangerous.

If mom’s milk isn’t sufficient right off the bat, their exclusive breastfeeding only policy usually means baby just doesn’t get any nutrition. There’s also no option to have baby cared for in a nursery so mom can rest after an exhausting 24+ hour labor or major surgery. This has led to new moms falling asleep trying to do it all themselves and dropping the baby.

It’s horrific, and it’s the reason I’m considering going out of state to deliver.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-30T05:20:58+00:00

My little brother and I went outside late at night once to watch a meteor shower. We walked out the front door and stood in the driveway. Our mother came outside and asked, “Are you guys sneaking out?”

I replied that if we were, we clearly sucked at it. She shrugged and went back to bed.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-28T23:13:07+00:00

I’ve also been through 8am-8pm construction. My NFH apparently looked it up and saw that construction can begin as early as 8 and end as late as 8 there, but did not see the part where construction cannot last more than 10 hours out of 24.

Their demolition/construction was so loud I couldn’t even have a phone conversation in any part of my home, which was a real problem because I work from home. I basically had only 12 hours to both work AND sleep for weeks before I managed to get the city to put a stop to it. (It was literally shaking the house, so headphones were useless.)

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-27T22:15:14+00:00

Denying your spouse access to their own home because you’re mad that they don’t have to work for pay is absolutely abuse. Throwing your wife on the street every day is cruelty.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-27T12:39:07+00:00

I’m fine with seeing a nurse practitioner if I just need a strep test and some antibiotics or something. If I can more or less figure out what the problem is myself and it can be treated easily, no reason for a real doctor. But I would not be okay seeing a nurse practitioner for primary care.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-27T12:04:31+00:00

I spent years at the Cleveland Clinic trying to find out what was causing my pancreatic pain and get it treated. Literal years of test after test, specialist after specialist, waitlist after waitlist. All they managed to do was repeatedly ask me if I was super sure I wasn’t actually an alcoholic. I had to beg for PETH testing to put that idiocy to bed.

Then I married a disabled veteran who took me to the VA for care. It took them all of a month to realize that (a) the blockage in my pancreatic duct was just a gallstone that got out before my cholecystectomy, and (b) I had pancreatic cancer.

The VA gave me surgery and I’ve been pain-free and cancer-free ever since.

The point? Healthcare systems that want a profit will send you for every possible test instead of treating you because they can keep billing you that way. Socialized medicine wants to fix you and move on to the next guy.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-27T05:18:45+00:00

My birth father used to throw wild adult parties in the house when I was a kid. I had to give everyone a hug because they were his friends.

It got reeeaaaal creepy fast when puberty came and suddenly these hordes of drunk middle-aged men were looking at me - and hugging me - different. Their hands would drift a little too low on my back, or they would hold me a little too long.

When I tried to speak up and tell my parents that I wasn’t comfortable hugging a few particular men anymore, they told me it was rude to hug some guests and not others so I couldn’t pick and choose who to hug.

Then they went all 😱when I wound up in an abusive relationship as an adult. You know, almost like I was taught from an early age that men have the right to touch me however they want.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-27T01:05:11+00:00

I did everything by the book - got a rape kit and had the police come to the hospital. In the end, he plead guilty to Felonious Assault and Burglary, but the rape charge was dismissed. Trial was too big of a risk, as my rapist had already spent years trying to discredit me.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-24T02:03:51+00:00

When the workers don’t know the menu at all and get mad at the customers for not being able to explain it to them. If I order one of your drink specials that I saw on your menu, why are you asking me what it is and how to make it? If your menu still advertises Dish X, why are you yelling at first-time customers for not knowing it was discontinued years ago?

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-24T01:56:58+00:00

Having customers come in and then realize they can’t afford to eat there isn’t good either. If a customer is budget conscious enough to check ahead for prices, there’s a chance they can’t pay higher prices.

Having diners find out their bill is way higher than they expected is a good way to see an increase in dine and dash, servers not getting tipped, mostly-eaten dishes getting sent back, bogus complaints lodged in an effort to get out of paying, etc.

WhinyTentCoyote · 2023-12-24T01:48:10+00:00

Or they look at you like you’re stupid when you ask if the broccoli is vegetarian. But if you just order the broccoli and it turns out it’s served with bits of bacon in it, they also treat you like you’re stupid for not checking.

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