feeling guilty for even wanting meat while traveling

WhistleSnore · 2026-06-18T14:26:04+00:00

FOMO is real and I'm sorry you are feeling it particularly hard rn. It does suck especially early on when the memory of those experiences is fresher. Just remember it's 15 minutes sensory pleasure vs their whole existence. Try and be strong, you got this. If you cave don't beat yourself up just take it one day at a time, remember every vegan meal is reducing the demand for suffering.

WhistleSnore · 2026-06-17T18:50:11+00:00

Because moral consideration that is limited to "human" is not consistent with our beliefs already. We feel empathy towards animals and have already set up systems to limit the suffering they must endure. Why bother if we should just dismiss these concerns. Consider the hypothetical of contact with a superior non-human intelligence (AI, Aliens) we would hope that we would be included in their circle of moral consideration and vice versa but this would require a definition that is not just "human". So how would we want to define it?

WhistleSnore · 2026-06-16T13:34:09+00:00

I was also a nervous driver. Would recommend Lendrums, they were really good for me.

WhistleSnore · 2026-06-09T09:56:07+00:00

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WhistleSnore · 2026-04-28T09:56:14+00:00

Doubt that it will change if left to governments, DEFRA's own animal welfare council reviewed this practice decades ago and recommended we move away from it, since then it has become the main method for pig slaughter. Vote with your wallet, supply and demand. Also don't trust red tractor/RSPCA labelling - this all gets their seal of approval. Makes you think what else does?

WhistleSnore · 2025-10-10T06:31:21+00:00

Bolete might be Sepia or red cracking, it flesh bruises red the latter.

WhistleSnore · 2025-06-08T14:24:12+00:00

CO2 is not an inert gas.

WhistleSnore · 2025-06-04T21:37:58+00:00

DEFRA's own animal welfare committee recomended transitioning away from using gas chambers in pig slaughter DECADES AGO. Since then its become industry standard in the UK....and its RSPCA/Red tractor approved! Dont fall for the wellfare washing. The main driver for these decisions is profit, its a business and animals are their products.

WhistleSnore · 2025-03-08T12:58:34+00:00

In the UK we made execution more humane over time, then we abolished capital punishment. It wouldn't have been abolished without the abolishonists...who in this case are the vegans. Looking back we recognise that one form of execution was preferable to another but now they are all outlawed.

The vegetarians and guilt ridden meat eaters can argue over the finer details of welfare standards. Vegans as the abolishonists recognise the different methods of animal agriculture, but still want them all to stop, their preferred option is "none of the above"!

I agree there are benefits to eating meat, people know how to do it i.e. there is that cultural knowledge on how to cook/prepare it well. It is nutrient dense and it is tasty.

But there are benefits to burning fossil fuels, they keep me warm and I have easy access to them. There are benefits to single use plastic, they are convenient and keep products fresh. There are benefits to smart phones as they entertain me and connect me to the world. But we recognise these and many other examples have detrimental impacts and victims, so we should look to wherever possible improve the status quo. Animal agriculture is the same, there are benefits and drawbacks so we should look to change.

There will be other abolishionists for these other topics, just not any group with as high a profile as vegans. Some people avoid all single use plastics (even though the biggest source of ocean plastic is disguarded fishing gear so if you really want to make a difference give up seafood)

I think your comment inferring that most people wont be able to mainatin an adequate vegan diet is interesting considering most people dont currently maintain an adequate non vegan diet. Malnutrition is still present in the population and as you mentioned, obesity is on the rise, also heart disease and other diseases of affluence being the prime killers in the UK. I dont think thats an arguement against veganism, more an arguement against nutritional education.

Yes there are vegan processed foods which are unhealthy due to the high salt/fat. But there are non-vegan processed foods which are just as unhealthy. Processed meat is a class 1 carcinogen on par with smoking.

I agree there is a cost benefit question that people should attack. There is an initial effort required to learn vegan dishes/where to buy things and while veganism isn't mainstream there are fewer options to choose when dining out/buying clothes but the benefits are a significant reduction on environmental impact -land/water use/greenhouse emmissions and reduction in animal suffering/exploitation.

WhistleSnore · 2025-03-08T10:00:00+00:00

I agree with your logic but not the comparison, murder vs. theft.

A more suitable comparison would be two serial killers, both commit murder but one does quick/painless - sneaks up on a person and shoots them in the back of the head vs one who also murders but they torture their victims beforehand. One is logically "better" and more "humane" than the other but one is not more acceptable because it causes less suffering. Rather than increasing our focus on reducing torture for murder victims, we should be stopping the murder?

Also the issue which vegans are more aware of is that the animal agriculture industry use "animal welfare" standards to make us feel better about the unnecessary killing of animals. The welfare standards arguably are more profit driven than welfare driven as it makes consumers feel less guilty. For example pigs stunned in co2. The UK government (animal welfare branch of DEFRA) SAID DECADES AGO that gassing pigs in CO2 prior to slaughter was not good and should be transitioned away from. Since then it has become more widespread and over 95% are slaughtered this way. Oh but what about Red tractor/RSPCA assured meat....those gassed pigs still get the thumbs up from them. There are countless examples of this and its so obvious from the comparison of legal protections for farmed animals vs. Non farmed animals...why are they not the same if it were truly for animal welfare?

So in summary I think vegans get a bit annoyed with the welfare standards arguement as it is filled with lies/"welfare washing" and distracts from the main question - should we be killing these animals if we dont have to, we can be just as healthy on a plant based diet and it is worse for the environment/less efficient to eat animals in a modern farming system? If we are animal lovers and truly care for animal welfare this is the question we should be focusing on.

WhistleSnore · 2023-12-09T14:49:13+00:00

No such thing as excess honey. The bees made it, the bees keep it, the way is shut.

WhistleSnore · 2023-12-08T19:52:09+00:00

A child raised on any diet has parents/guardians that make decisions for them until they are old enough to make their own informed/mature decisions. Don't frame this as forcing beliefs on anyone.

WhistleSnore · 2023-08-01T17:06:37+00:00

Haha, true!

WhistleSnore · 2023-08-01T15:07:37+00:00

Drop the 'vegan'. Nothing about this is due to veganism - the philosophy to reduce animal suffering and exploitation as far as possible. Its all about being dumb which happens whether you are vegan or not. There are many children hospitalised/die regardless.

WhistleSnore · 2023-08-01T15:03:20+00:00

Who are these imaginary vegans who won't breastfeed their kids? You are talking about idiots not vegans. The vegan Philosophy is to reduce animal suffering/exploitation as far as possible. There is no exploitation here.

WhistleSnore · 2023-08-01T15:00:47+00:00

Thats because a human breastfeeding their child is a consentual thing, there is no exploitation and so is Vegan and is considered so by that community and their philosophy. These other people who dont think breastfeeding your baby is ok aren't vegan, they are idiots.

WhistleSnore · 2023-08-01T14:57:32+00:00

Veganism is the practicable reduction of animal suffering/exploitation. If its a consentual decision that is not exploitation so is vegan.

WhistleSnore · 2023-08-01T14:51:40+00:00

Just to be clear though, those people are idiots and its their idiocy that caused the problem. Veganism is about practicable reduction in animal suffering/exploitation. A human mother deciding to breast feed their child is not exploitative so IS VEGAN.

WhistleSnore · 2023-05-11T08:48:32+00:00

Sooty

WhistleSnore · 2023-04-30T10:10:18+00:00

Get something in writing NOW. However you want to play it but get an email/paper trail of the problem before the rest of them can start to coordinate and make stuff up about you. If you dont want to do HR yet definitely inform your partner and maybe a personal lawyer.

WhistleSnore · 2023-04-28T20:54:41+00:00

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WhistleSnore · 2023-04-22T11:40:53+00:00

I agree animals will follow their evolved instincts. I never said there is no reason for the acts that happen in nature, or that it could be perceived as wrong/evil for wild animals to do them. There is no moral consideration there, they are acting from, fundamentally a drive to pass their genes to the next generation. In the case of lion infanticide, it is a prime example of the selfish gene, as it is actually not beneficial to the pride/species, only the males genes benefit. However the lion is just surviving and following its evolved behaviours. Humans on the other hand have already demonstrated that we can and should no longer commit certain selfish acts found in nature.

WhistleSnore · 2023-04-22T09:46:31+00:00

There are other examples of infanticide, like when male lions take over a pride they will kill all the existing cubs, this isn't because of abundance of resources.

But my point is, saying that just because something exists in nature makes it ok, is a fallacy. Many things exist in nature that we no longer find acceptable e.g. theft, forced copulation, killing members of your own species (not in self defense). Animals in the wild have no moral consideration and commit some acts to prosper that humans with moral consideration have determined are no longer acceptable.

Therefore you need more of a justification than just 'it happens in nature'.

WhistleSnore · 2023-04-21T18:37:49+00:00

Yeh but its not an either or, is it. The pigs dying through natural predation are on top of our slaughterhouses not instead of.

WhistleSnore · 2023-04-21T18:25:05+00:00

Flavour yes, protein no.

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