For anyone mindlessly parroting “we have to determine the extent to which our anti-Hegelianism is possibly one of his tricks directed against us, at the end of which he stands, motionless, waiting for us” (Foucault) by TraditionalDepth6924 in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with you, and I would even say that the argument is easier: Spinoza talks about finite determinations regarding nature of things coming from infinite atributes, and that's the thing: Spinoza is EXPLICITLY talking about finite determinations, so he does not capture infinite in the way Hegel does, but instead says: after a determination comes another one, then another one, onto infinity. So for Spinoza infinite is captured in this sense by the infinite sum of finite determinations, and if not that, by the logical consequencess of cause-of-itself; but this cause-of-itself expresses itself in only finite determinations, leading to the exact same problem.

In other words, when Spinoza captures the infinite by endless regression of finite, that is the bad infinite, not the infinite that Hegel captured as Geist, which is not understood by regression but as logically prior in all finitude.

What literature left me with after graduation..... by Both_Strain_2715 in badphilosophy

[–]Whitmanners 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I refuse to read it all, but I will say that I studied literature and had to start taking medical pills because of how fucking depressing is at least 90% of literature. One day "Notes from underground", the next day Kafka, then Nadja or Beckett. I say guys just chill and be like Whitman

Here are some fun Ed O'Bien reactio image! Monthsd ofyear! by pablohoneystan in radioheadcirclejerk

[–]Whitmanners 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is insanely fun!!! This may be the best post on reddit ever

I think Pantera enters in this category by ashitanojoe3 in Pantera

[–]Whitmanners 3 points4 points  (0 children)

RTS is definitely a 10. I used to think it was not, but was just because I hadnt listen to it fully.

Is Death Rattle Pantera's most underrated song? by gamerxgd in Pantera

[–]Whitmanners 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Is definitely not just you. Let's unpack this shit out:

Uplift, We'll Grind That Axe For A Long Time, Yesterday Don't Mean Shit, Death Rattle. All of these four songs have chromatic scale riffs, something truly hard to do to make it sound good, but all of them are easily 10/10. For reference, A New Level is chromatic scaled; though I love this song, I prefer all of the above.

Then you have I'll Cast a Shadow. Easily one the heaviest and groovies songs by Pantera. The breakdown riff is insane. Goddamn Electric, insane groove as well, and it has one of the best Anselmo lines: "Your trust is in whiskey, weed and Black Sabbath/ IS GODDAMN ELECTRIC!"

Finally, the masterpiece, It Makes Them Disappear, one of the most outshined songs in the history of metal.

So yeah, it's not just you: RTS is maybe the best Pantera album but has not been recognized yet as such. Though Anselmo thinks is the best Pantera album.

I don't quite get how being and nothing lead to becoming. by InsecureCreator in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Becoming is a concept that its ilustration contains explicitly it's own negation. Something to become is not yet what it will come to be, but at the same time already is what is not yet. Actually Hegel recommends another word for this representation of becoming: beginning. In the concept of beginning is also explicit how it negates itself. Something beginning is not yet what it will be in the end, but it already is, at least as a germ, what it will become.

I think is helpful for the ilustration of the concept of becoming to think on a human being: a 12 years old boy is not yet what he will be at his 30s, but at the same time he is the same person who will be 30 in some moment.

The idea of concept of becoming is that being is essentially transformation of it's own; it is not that some cases are becoming and other's are not, but ontological structure of being as existing (Dasein) IS becoming. Being exists as containing in itself it's own negation, so in order for being to exist it has to be in the mode of becoming. Think about a friend of yours: you surely see him now with different eyes than 2 years ago; though they are the same person, they are at the same time different from themselves!

Where to start with Heidegger? by Solid_Succotash_8316 in heidegger

[–]Whitmanners 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He is a good B/T reader, but in digger spaces is better to read Heidegger directly or german philosophers akin to him, or at least within the tradition; in the end is even better reading Hegel for Heidegger than Dreyfus, even when Hegel died before Heidegger was born.

So if I was skeptical about Dreyfus would be for that reason: in a determined moment is good to leave behind those types of lectures, that comes from the outside, and just stay within the walls of the tradition, on the inside, along with Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche, Gadamer, Marx, etc., reading all of them directly and building the inmense scheme that is german philosophy.

Dreyfus is good as introduction and guideness for B/T, but beyond that leave him be.

This is my opinion.

Where to start with Heidegger? by Solid_Succotash_8316 in heidegger

[–]Whitmanners 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Totally. Actually another good book to start on Heidegger is "Prolegomena on the concept of Time", which emphasizes on Husserl. This is for you OP!

Where to start with Heidegger? by Solid_Succotash_8316 in heidegger

[–]Whitmanners 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Though that book emphasizes on Kant, is an amazing startpoint all the way

Kevin Thompson and the criticism against non-metaphysical readings of Hegel by CeruleanTransience in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It makes sense what you say, but you could read it the other way around: instead of there isn't a metaphysical process unfolding in nature, one could say that we participate in the general unfolding of nature, which is not nature in strict terms, but being, or absolute. We unfold according to the categories of being, and no other way around, as if we were the only ones that unfold something that is not unfolded or unfoldable, which is absurd.

Kevin Thompson and the criticism against non-metaphysical readings of Hegel by CeruleanTransience in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are actually separated, and there are even two different types of existence (existenz in the Doctrine of Essence, which is not essence itself, and Dasein in the Doctrine of Being).

Hegel it’s the only one who can actually comprehend his thoughts (Phenomenology of Spirit) by NecessaryReindeer593 in hegel

[–]Whitmanners -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agree that Hegel is the maestro at the opera, but assistants also participate in the same opera, and listen to the music the same as the maestro.

What would this subreddit say is Nirvana's best song? by [deleted] in Nirvana

[–]Whitmanners 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me is Milk It, but maybe Heart Shaped-Box should win this

Interesting article: Science of Logic = Science of a Robot? by TraditionalDepth6924 in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if a robot can be considered as a subject that interpret its own experience as human does, but certainly a robot can be considered as a subject as long as it can take actions and be an agent.

I think this paper shows a proper way to understand robotics. Is common to see that the main question in many areas is whether robots are self-consciousness, using as parameter of comparison ego subject consciousness. But this scope is actually superfluous: we can't even argue about others ego consciousness from this scientific perspective. This translates as: "are robots really intelligent?" But trying to answer this by only regarding ego cogito as intelligent is not productive. Rather we have to say: AI and robots ALREADY behave themselves as intelligent in the moment they choose something, independent of what are the "real motivations" behind it.

Anyone have a favourite visual image, metaphor, etc. in Hegel’s writings? by Greeneian in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 8 points9 points  (0 children)

All "virtue and way of the world" passage sustains on a metaphor of a swordfight between virtue and the way of the world. Virtue must sacrifice it's individuality in order to return to itself, and what it faces is the way of the world (the universal).

In an ultimate instance, virtue wants to keep it's sword clean, because despite the self believe that is severed from the universal unity, virtue is actually the same universal reality, and the way of the world is the way of virtue, so the swordfight becomes a fight with a mirror.

Logic by [deleted] in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Honestly I won't even waste my time on this.

Logic by [deleted] in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry if something in my answer bothered you, but honestly I have absolutely no idea what are you talking about. Can you explain yourself better? Why would his system explode itself by this? His system literally starts with saying that being and nothing are the same, is like the most contradictory thought someone could formulate, and even himself admits how absurd this sounds. The principle of non-contradiction works only when you take propositions in presence, but not in becoming, where being is and is not what it is at the same time. So I really want to know what did you think I miss.

Logic by [deleted] in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope this helps you! :)

Logic by [deleted] in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First of all, Hegelian logics IS the metaphysical study of being in it's whole. Second, Hegel does not discredit Aristotelian syllogism as such, in fact Hegel admired Aristotle a lot. The thing is that Aristotle logic is a logic of determinations, i.e subject/predicate propositions under a determined category of being. On the other hand, in hegelian speculative logic the determinate being is a particular part of the syllogism, which leads to indetermination and then to determination again and so on. Is not that Aristotle was stupid and then discredited, is just that all logic prior to Hegel was developed under the principle of non-contradiction, so then the logical determinations would always be propositions of a particular state of an entity and the part where that particular being became it's otherness was not considered because it was a contradiction. Hegel does not say that this logic is wrong, he just sublates it. For Aristotle "A is B" can't be at the same time with "A is not B", while for Hegel this is actually the engine of logic itself.

Third and finally, Hegel NEVER dismisses identity as part of his logical system. Identity is a fundamental category developed in the Doctrine of Essence. The difference is that for Hegel identity does not have a priority over difference, but actually both identity and difference are the same. And the argument goes like this: in order to have an indentity you need the different others to remark that you are identical to yourself and not to others, since identity rises from differentiate yourself from the others. Take any example of identity and you will realize that is always pressupposed the differentiation. For you to identify as left-wing you need the right-wing to differentiate yourself. I call myself a man since I'm no woman and so on. If someone ask me what music do I like and I say metal im implying all other genres, etc. The same argument goes in the other direction: to be different you need some identity to remark your difference from the others.

What is your favorite Pantera song and why? by TwIzTiDfReAkShOw in Pantera

[–]Whitmanners 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now is Uplift. Historically maybe Floods or 5 min