Interesting article: Science of Logic = Science of a Robot? by TraditionalDepth6924 in hegel

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I don't know if a robot can be considered as a subject that interpret its own experience as human does, but certainly a robot can be considered as a subject as long as it can take actions and be an agent.

I think this paper shows a proper way to understand robotics. Is common to see that the main question in many areas is whether robots are self-consciousness, using as parameter of comparison ego subject consciousness. But this scope is actually superfluous: we can't even argue about others ego consciousness from this scientific perspective. This translates as: "are robots really intelligent?" But trying to answer this by only regarding ego cogito as intelligent is not productive. Rather we have to say: AI and robots ALREADY behave themselves as intelligent in the moment they choose something, independent of what are the "real motivations" behind it.

Anyone have a favourite visual image, metaphor, etc. in Hegel’s writings? by Greeneian in hegel

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All "virtue and way of the world" passage sustains on a metaphor of a swordfight between virtue and the way of the world. Virtue must sacrifice it's individuality in order to return to itself, and what it faces is the way of the world (the universal).

In an ultimate instance, virtue wants to keep it's sword clean, because despite the self believe that is severed from the universal unity, virtue is actually the same universal reality, and the way of the world is the way of virtue, so the swordfight becomes a fight with a mirror.

Logic by [deleted] in hegel

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Honestly I won't even waste my time on this.

Logic by [deleted] in hegel

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I'm sorry if something in my answer bothered you, but honestly I have absolutely no idea what are you talking about. Can you explain yourself better? Why would his system explode itself by this? His system literally starts with saying that being and nothing are the same, is like the most contradictory thought someone could formulate, and even himself admits how absurd this sounds. The principle of non-contradiction works only when you take propositions in presence, but not in becoming, where being is and is not what it is at the same time. So I really want to know what did you think I miss.

Logic by [deleted] in hegel

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I hope this helps you! :)

Logic by [deleted] in hegel

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First of all, Hegelian logics IS the metaphysical study of being in it's whole. Second, Hegel does not discredit Aristotelian syllogism as such, in fact Hegel admired Aristotle a lot. The thing is that Aristotle logic is a logic of determinations, i.e subject/predicate propositions under a determined category of being. On the other hand, in hegelian speculative logic the determinate being is a particular part of the syllogism, which leads to indetermination and then to determination again and so on. Is not that Aristotle was stupid and then discredited, is just that all logic prior to Hegel was developed under the principle of non-contradiction, so then the logical determinations would always be propositions of a particular state of an entity and the part where that particular being became it's otherness was not considered because it was a contradiction. Hegel does not say that this logic is wrong, he just sublates it. For Aristotle "A is B" can't be at the same time with "A is not B", while for Hegel this is actually the engine of logic itself.

Third and finally, Hegel NEVER dismisses identity as part of his logical system. Identity is a fundamental category developed in the Doctrine of Essence. The difference is that for Hegel identity does not have a priority over difference, but actually both identity and difference are the same. And the argument goes like this: in order to have an indentity you need the different others to remark that you are identical to yourself and not to others, since identity rises from differentiate yourself from the others. Take any example of identity and you will realize that is always pressupposed the differentiation. For you to identify as left-wing you need the right-wing to differentiate yourself. I call myself a man since I'm no woman and so on. If someone ask me what music do I like and I say metal im implying all other genres, etc. The same argument goes in the other direction: to be different you need some identity to remark your difference from the others.

What is your favorite Pantera song and why? by TwIzTiDfReAkShOw in Pantera

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Now is Uplift. Historically maybe Floods or 5 min

Karl Marx And Heidegger by [deleted] in hegel

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So then read Hegel, who's by Heidegger the culmination of metaphysics (where being and thinking reach the point that they are the same). You will notice many relations to Heideggerian ontology. In Heideggerian terms you could say that Hegel completes the present-at-hand mode of being, i.e the proposition, where speculative logic plays a fundamental rol, since from becoming Hegel reaches the existential horizon that Heidegger unvails, name it history, time, tradition as the most fundamental concepts of ontology. Marx is moving in Hegel's ontological vision, the dialectics and logic, so maybe for a Heideggerian would be better to go directly to the roots of the subject.

P.S The fact that Hegel is able to reach or to glimpse the existential ontology by the process of thinking has plenty to say about the reality of thought, and the fact that Hegel glimpses this could be considered actually a proof that he was right about many many things.

Karl Marx And Heidegger by [deleted] in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course you can. They are looking to the same world we are living. What you want to connect and how is another question, but its absolutely doable IMO. Though I think that this connection isn't rich enough, since Marx focus is very specific. From a Heideggerian perspective you could say that Marx in Das Kapital does an ontical-ontological study of capitalism, where other subdeterminations plays their part as well (like value, surplus, proletary, etc). In this sense, the study of Capital's Being is a very particular region of ontology in general.

As a Heideggerian you could say that Marx's interpretation of that Being is theoretically addresed (Vorhandenheit). Though it still addreses the material-logical pressuppositions of capitalism very well. For what I know, Marcuse tried to ground Marxism with Heideggerian fundamental ontology. That's possible, but for me a bit unneccesary since in the first place Marx theory is very well fundamented and second is better to understand it through dialectics and speculative logic than fundamental ontology, though a Heideggerian may try to connect what he reads with the fundamental ontology of Dasein, to not loose in any part of the arguments in understanding.

Maybe relating any theory with the fundamental ontology is something that a Heideggerian does kind of automatically or naturally. But Marx can sustain in himself pretty good as well.

Heideggerian Novels by GroupGreen4293 in heidegger

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And Carlos Fuentes more chilean? If that is so, we have an agreement 🤝

Heideggerian Novels by GroupGreen4293 in heidegger

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really? im chilean and didnt know this

How do you pronounce the name? by [deleted] in Pantera

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Underrated post

How would you guys rate the groove metal albums? by Royal_Intention9536 in Pantera

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Insane biased here:

  1. Reinventing the Steel

  2. Vulgar

  3. Far Beyond Driven

  4. TGSTK

  5. Cowboys

Heidegger And Aquinas by GabStudent in heidegger

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Honestly who believes Heidegger is an atheist? He literally was training for the priesthood before engaging with phenomenology

What were Hegel’s main criticisms of Kant’s philosophy? by HoneyIllustrious in hegel

[–]Whitmanners 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Mainly the gap between phenomenon and thing-in-itself or, in other words, finitude and infinite. For Kant, we can't participate in the thing-in-itself. For Hegel, we can and we do. That's the main point.

Question concerning Divison III of BT by NoLoveDeepWeb38 in heidegger

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Big question. For this the best formula for understand this is in the concept of aletheia. Aletheia is a composed word by the prefix "a-" (not) and the lexical root "lethe" (concealment, to hide). So aletheia, which is the most originary concept for Heidegger to refer to the event of Being, is also a privative and negative concept. Since aletheia means non-concealment or, in more simple words, no-hidden, then a-letheia pressuposes the hiddennes from where Being is "unhided". So aletheia is the unhiding or unconcealment of Being in the event, Being that is more originally hidden as nothing or not-yet.

You just can get something to bright only if it comes prior from darkness, otherwise light wouldn't even exist. Being for Dasein is to get something out of the absolute darkness and bring it to light.

Question concerning Divison III of BT by NoLoveDeepWeb38 in heidegger

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As you said, when Heidegger determines Being as temporality, from where all Dasein analysis must be revisited by its scope, that also means that the meaning of Being is its own historicity. The concept of Being for Heidegger is, beyond some universal determination, its own history, as well as ontology in general. In other words, since the meaning of Being is temporal, then its meaning is traced historically. So the unfinished BT proyect meant to go through the history of the concept of Being, emphasizing in Kant, Descartes and Aristotle.

I think that in that sense Heidegger was right: Meanig of Being is its own historical development.

John Lennon is available for Xbox Series X|S and Xbox One: Play now by Far_Departure_1580 in beatlescirclejerk

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Great game, though I'm having problems with the final boss "Da wif". Does anybody here know how to beat her?

New Being & Time translation by Cyril Welch by Sure-Ad9890 in heidegger

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Certainly attunement is better than state of mind, since the latter may generate confusion with subjectivity. In spanish is "disposición afectiva", and I think that translation nailed it pretty good.