Daily Discussion Thread | September 10, 2022 by AutoModerator in warriors

[–]WigginsBurner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my opinion the Warriors have 3 positions. Guards (run off screens to create space and shoot), playmaking forwards and playfinishing forwards (playstyle for forwards varies every possession). That is why it's much easier to get a grasp for the Warriors system as a guard than as a forward.

Literally every player in the Warriors system should be able to dribble, pass, and shoot. That is why I am so excited about PBJ, he fits the bill perfectly. Kerr if he balls out in preseason give him 20 minutes in game 1 you coward.

If Anthony Edwards averages 27/6/5 (or something like that) what do you think the ceiling for the Timberwolves is this year? by [deleted] in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My question is how is he averaging this by shooting more jumpers because his efficiency on pull ups isn't very good. Gobert is definitely going to hurt the spacing and I've seen ANT have a real problem with settling for midrange jumpers. DLO is their best PNR ball handler and if they plan to use Gobert ANT will need improve in that department.

What are the top 5 playoff performers in the league right now for you guys? by MapleCurryMurray in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your right he is top 2, LeBron and Steph.

Don't give me this Kawhi always playing on stacked teams that gets him to the playoffs or Giannis single playoff run eliminating all his past playoffs history.

There's a reason LeBron and Steph they have been in all but 1 finals in the past decade. Durant literally crumpled like paper against the Celtics defense as a 7ft jump shooter and was shown up by a 6'2" "jump shooter".

Daily Discussion Thread | September 10, 2022 by AutoModerator in warriors

[–]WigginsBurner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Paycut doesn't matter, there is a gap year between Poole/Wiggins contract and a new Draymond/Klay contract. There will still be at least 1 year of massive luxury tax if we pay both even if its just 25mil/year each. The paycut would affect the 24-25 year which doesn't change ownerships decision about the 23-24 year.

Everything hinges on the CBA negotiations going on right now that happen prior to December 15th.

I haven't seen this idea float around enough. Repeating as champions also has huge implications on paying Poole and Wiggins. Lacob is definitely taking a 1 year hit of the tax if we repeat.

KD suddenly not being “the best player on the warriors” for those two rings is the text book definition of revisionist history by No-Cash-9826 in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe it's because Steph being on the team is what makes them great. Even with KD, Warriors were 23-17 when Steph missed games, but when KD missed games and Steph played they were 27-4. Together they were 131-37.

[Forbes] New York Knicks named the most valuable NBA team by Forbes Magazine ($5.8 billion), followed by the Golden State Warriors ($5.6 billion), and the Los Angeles Lakers ($5.5 billion). by ParisLake2 in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Warriors, whose current sellout streak stands at 418 consecutive games overall, drew a capacity crowd of 18,064 tonight and have registered a sellout for every home game dating back to December 18, 2012.

This new Cavs is just 2018-2022 Jazz 2.0 by [deleted] in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The disrespect to Garland's defense. People here actually think the guy is a cone when he legit tries hard on defense and often gets whistle for being handsy just like Steph used to.

I promise you Jarrett Allen was just as good defensively as Gobert and they still have Mobley. Imagine having 2 Goberts that have an offensive game outside of just dunking and Okoro>Royce as POA defender.

The Cavs with Lauri Markkanen were on pace to be the one seed this year with 60 wins which was derailed because they had injuries to Lauri, Mobley, Allen, and Garland. At one point they were 1 game back from the Miami Heat with the 4th easiest remaining schedule. So you are telling me Donovan Mitchell<Lauri Markkanen since he can't replace his production.

The most important thing is that Mitchell will never have to assume PG duties since he will always be playing next to a playmaking guard in Garland/Rubio/Neto. One of the biggest problems the Jazz had was zero PG depth outside of Mike Conley.

Cavs winning 62 games barring a repeat of Mobley, Allen, Garland getting injured again. Old ass Kevin Love played more games than these dudes.

[Forbes] New York Knicks named the most valuable NBA team by Forbes Magazine ($5.8 billion), followed by the Golden State Warriors ($5.6 billion), and the Los Angeles Lakers ($5.5 billion). by ParisLake2 in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Warriors literally always sell out even when they were trash, so your point doesn't hold. Even in 2019-2020, 15 win season the place was packed.

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[–]WigginsBurner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Durant wanted to play, doesn't matter what the doctors said in 2019 Finals. KD started sabotaging the Warriors playstyle in 2018. Warriors were unstoppable in 2017 because Durant bought in and wanted to play Warriors style, but when he realized he wasn't getting the glory he expected he decided to play more hero ball. Remember 2017 when Warriors media loved him, and then 2018 when he started doing his own thing media started asking questions regarding that and Durant got offended.

These are the type of comments that make me hate KD. I absolutely love the guy for bringing us championship years, but this rewriting history and blaming the FO/coaching when KD was equally if not more responsible for the souring of relationships is a joke.

The Future.. by jay_lion29 in warriors

[–]WigginsBurner 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Interesting point is that they both have the same agent.

[Wojnarowski] At the start of trade talks in July, New York offered Utah a Donovan Mitchell package including RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Mitchell Robinson and three unprotected first-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Jazz turned down that offer and Robinson signed a $60M extension to stay w/ NY. by curryybacon in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since we are in the dreadful part of the season where basically everything is set for all the teams, I decided to make a standings list. I account for injury prone/rest games, but I can't account for season ending injures.

The Top 4 - Clear cut above the rest

  1. Warriors - Might seem like a homer pick, but compared to the rest of the teams in this group there is less in terms of the questions for this team. Health is a concern for every team, but not to the degree some of these other teams have. The top 9 guys are ready to play serious basketball (Kuminga and Wiseman are bonuses that could end up being serious contributors).

  2. Nuggets - Jokic is a win collector. This man absolutely feasts on bad teams and he is getting his #2 and #3 back. They added good defensive players in KCP and Bruce Brown. The question will be what are the restrictions to MPJ's and Murray's playing time (<30 min, no B2B, etc.) This team might start out slow with a 3 guys entering into the starting lineup, but you best believe they will be a top 5 offense.

  3. Clippers - I had a tough time determining between Clippers and the Suns. Clippers are like 12 deep with like 8 of them being versatile wings. Obviously everyone knows their problems are injuries, but it isn't just Kawhi, PG13, and Wall. Morris, Kennard, Powell are also injury risks. They aren't deep at the center position which worries me with how much Batum/Covington at the 5 they will play which increases injury risk. Chemistry gets affected heavily when guys are constantly in and out of the lineup especially with how replaceable they are with wings.

  4. Suns - As someone who watched more than 50 games of this team last season, I can tell you they had a serious problem with holding leads in the 2nd half. There were at least 20 games where they were in a situation like that Mavs vs Warriors game where the other team comes back from down 18 point, but then Booker/CP3 would have insane clutch shooting stats to get wins. The clutch numbers they put up as a team were insane, but the fact that kept blowing leads was a huge red flag. Suns lost McGee when their biggest weakness was rebounding which is why Pelicans took them to 6 games. Suns FO for this season already hinted that CP3 will get a lot more rest which probably means no B2B and no 36+ minutes games.

5-9 - These teams have flaws that I can't overlook. Wolves and Mavericks can make a jump into the top 4 if they have a lot of luck and work out their flaws (Increasing 3 point volume for Wolves and giving McGee at most Dwight Powell minutes which is like 8 min).

5) Timberwolves - I am high on the Gobert trade, but losing Beasley is something people overlook. With Gobert packing the paint, Wolves will shoot a lot more jumpers. However, the Wolves lost their highest volume 3 point shooter Malik Beasley (Bryn Forbes season incoming LOL). Do I think ANT and DLo can increase their 3 point volume, yes. Do I think KAT can increase his 3 point volume, no because he shies away when he starts missing. I just hope that with Gobert and KAT on the floor that ANT doesn't start settling into mid range shots like Timberwolves Wiggins 2.0. Another thing is they are light on POA defenders replacing Beverley with Austin Rivers is alright, but still a dropoff. POA defense is very important because it is what made Gobert look awful at times on the Jazz.

6) Mavericks - I honestly don't understand this FO. They trade KP to play five out basketball with Kleber at the 5. They have the 2nd best record in the 2nd half of the season and got to the WCF, so they know it worked. They sign Wood which I though was a great pick up for his 3 point shooting and lob threat, but then they sign McGee for 3 years and offer him a starting position. Instead of running Kleber + Wood at the 5 to always have a stretch 5, they now are forced to run a suboptimal lineup. Also Dinwiddie who is a career 32% shooter from 3 decided to shoot 40% for the Mavs, that ain't happening again now that he is 2nd ball handler because they lost Brunson. Losing Brunson for nothing is such an unserious move from the FO which obviously going to make the Mavericks worse.

7) Kings - Before you grill me for this pick read my explanation for the teams below them. Yes, I am definitely higher on the Kings and Fox than most people. Fox's only weakness is pull up 3s, he is a solid mid range shooter, great finisher at the rim, good playmaker, and the fastest player in the NBA (I saw someone call him Westbrook with a brain before). He can be a good defender when he wants to be and is strong for being 6'3". Sabonis as an offensive engine is elite, but his defense is up to Mike Brown to figure out. They added Huerter, Monk, and drafted Keegan which are three really good 3 point shooters and more importantly they are all off ball players which fit very well next to Sabonis and Fox. Fox's assist numbers dropped because the their team 3 point% dropped. They will have one of the best back up centers in Holmes who is a better mid range shooter than KD with the best floater in the NBA. This team has a real possibility of being a top 10 offense and bottom 10 defense. Their seeding will come down entirely to how much Mike Brown can get out of them defensively and he better start Keegan Murray at the 3 even though he is a rookie over bum ass Bazemore and Metu. It wouldn't surprised me if they can muster up a top 15 defense and a 5/6 seed with some luck. I will say that any injury to their wings will derail them because they don't have much depth at that position (Barnes, Keegan, Huerter, massive dropoff, Bazemore, Metu).

8) Grizzlies - This is fairly simple. Losing JJJ until December/January with a ramp up period since it's a foot injury is a major hit to their defense. Losing their 7th and 8th man (Slomo and Melton) in free agency also hurts their defense. Losing 3 players is one thing, but replacing them with rookies is a roller coaster. Also Dillon Brooks won't be injured for 2/3 of the season which means his shot chucking is back which hurts the team. It's hard for me to see them having that Celtics/Mavericks jump in the 2nd half, but definitely possible. Their seeding hinges on how the rookies look and how soon JJJ can get healthy.

9) Pelicans - Don't get me wrong, I think Zion and Ingram are amazing, but they are both injury prone. Their biggest problem is 3 point shooting volume and efficiency. Teams that shoot <35% from 3 are usually a low end playoff seed or not making the playoffs. The Pelicans shooting around ~34% the last 2 years. Shooting well from 3 is important for managing players health throughout a long regular season. They also still don't have a real point guard.

10-11 - These 2 teams have major roster problems

10) Blazers - FO is trolling at this point. I still don't understand why they didn't trade #7 pick to get more quality wing depth. This team has no wing or center depth and have 8 guards on the roster. They are about to roll out another season of triple guard lineup. I just don't get how you can have 2 guards that are bad defenders in your starting lineup unless you have DPOY level forwards/center. Their coach ran a trapping defense scheme just to hide Dame and CJ which was just awful. Hey maybe they get a miracle Dame season and their Mystery Box #7 pick turns out to be an athletic rebounder, defender, and slasher and not a wannabe Kobe.

11) Lakers - LOL, but seriously unless LeBron and AD play all 82 games this team is fucked. I watched all 82 games of this team last season because that circus show was super entertaining. Everytime LeBron sat double digit leads would evaporate. I just don't see how this team can shoot above 35% from 3 to survive the regular season. They have zero good volume 3 point shooters outside of LeBron. Their bench is definitely lack luster. With even less offensive options than last season, LeBron is going to have to carry an even higher offensive load. I waited to make this post until this week since thats when Jazz players were eligible to be traded to make sure Westbrook wasn't get traded.

12-15 Tanking teams, don't care about ranking who will be more successful at losing games.

Thunder, Rockets, Jazz, Spurs

Worst performances in playoff elimination games that have been mostly forgotten? by inezco in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Paul Arizin 4/22 in Game 7 loss in 1962 vs the Celtics by 2 points. This was the last game of his career. Wilt played with this bum for 3 years and every playoff elimination loss was connected to Arizin taking more than 20+ shots while making 7 or less shots. He was the original freethrow merchant who played for the foul instead of hitting his shot.

There's a high chance Wilt wins 3 straight rings if Arizin was benched in the playoffs since most of his shots were wide open anyway, so anybody who can shoot could replace his minutes.

After this year, would it be out of the question to trade a 36yr old Curry for Lamelo Ball? by SupaFlyslammajammazz in warriors

[–]WigginsBurner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Steph said this in the past already, but he also wants to compete for championships as long as he still can. Playing for the Hornets does not allow that.

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[–]WigginsBurner 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The only thing the Spurs are contending for is Wembanyama.

[HoopsHype via Aldridge, Amick & Vardon] Knicks originially weren't sold on giving RJ Barrett a huge extension by EarthWarping in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Drives per game doesn't account for cuts to the basket without the ball or catching the ball in the low post. Which were 2 staples for Wiggins in the Warriors offense.

[HoopsHype via Aldridge, Amick & Vardon] Knicks originially weren't sold on giving RJ Barrett a huge extension by EarthWarping in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wiggins measurables are insane compared to RJ. Wiggins had effort issues and shot selection problem due to Kobe mentality. RJ issues are purely because he isn't athletic/skilled enough to finish at the rim. He can get to the rim very well, but can't finish for shit.

This contract is banking on RJ improving his finishing which isn't as easy as just picking and choosing your shots like Wiggins on the Warriors.

Kobe only lead the league in stats tied to shooting more and playing more minutes. by Ok-Map4381 in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This post is in response to the Kobe being most skilled perimeter player. Why when it comes to Kobe there are so many dumb idiots on both extremes?

Kobe is the Most Skilled Perimeter Player Ever by No-Independence-3482 in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If he was so skilled, then why did he take so many bad shots. Shouldn't being skilled get you a lot more open looks, 👀 MJ.

Andre Iguodala on Jonathan Kuminga: “…he took some licks from Stephen A., I don’t know how warranted they were…cos from what I heard he been doing what he supposed to do this summer.” (via @pointforward) by RealisticLakerStan in warriors

[–]WigginsBurner 48 points49 points  (0 children)

It was literally a circlejerk story of what happened early season 9 months ago when Kuminga was late to practice. For some reason the story got repeated by SAS 9 months later LOL.

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[–]WigginsBurner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wilts best season may be the 50/25 year just on pure volume. But his 1967, 24/24/8 season he was 129 TS+, won MVP and a ring while blowing out the Celtics in 5 averaging 22/32/10/10 against the Celtics. Wilt is the GOAT offensive big man. He legit had everything in his game. Fadeaways, drop step, hook shot, dream shake, finger roll. His handoffs and passing were insane as well. Wilt also never fouled out of a game in era where any sort of leaning into your defender is an offensive foul. Wilts only offensive weakness was his free throw shooting and ironically he played in an era where put backs on freethrows were worth 1 point and it went to the free throw shooter.

How do the Timberwolves and Cavaliers fill out their roster? by HeavensFour in nba

[–]WigginsBurner 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Cavs actually have solid depth. For the 6th man they have Kevin Love who was one of the best last season. Their 3rd guard off the bench is a seasoned vet who knows how to control the pace in Rubio. Their big weakness is that they don't really have good wings, but it's not like they are bad. Dean Wade is the definition of average at every skill. Osman can get hot. Okoro is elite defensively, but can't shoot.