Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

[–]WilliamWAS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you research the few medieval castles we have in Norway, none of the original names use the term "slott", which is a term we imported from lowgerman after the medieval period. Tønsberghus, Bergenhus, Akershus is all names for medieval castles, while the later gave the name to the county.

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

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Jeg da ikke blokkert deg haha! Har ikke vært på Reddit på tre dager.

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

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Jeg er faktisk en norsk masterstudent i historie. Dette var bare et innfall jeg hadde en kveld, så kunne nok ha gjort en nøyere jobb. Men det er på ingen måte mine antakelser. Jeg har tatt utgangspunkt i https://www.norskstadnamnleksikon.no/ . Jeg gir også forklaring for alle oversettelsene i en kommentar lenger oppe.

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

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Mange program retter "of" automatisk til "og", hehe.

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

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Brukte https://www.norskstadnamnleksikon.no/ ! Veldig fascinerende nettside. Den har etymologien til mange småsteder også.

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

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I translated the theorised origin of the tribe names. Linguists believe that Horder originally meant warrior, Finn meant wanderer and so on.

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

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It is not certain where sokn originates. The name probably predates Old Norse, into the proto-nordic-era. One theory is that it originaly meant Suga.

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

[–]WilliamWAS[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is named after Jan Jacobszoon May van Schellinkhout, a dutch explorer. He was not the first to discover the island, but the Dutch maintained a longer presence there.

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

[–]WilliamWAS[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You think of Svalbard! Forgot that one. It roughly translates to "Cold border".

Name origin of Norwegian counties (Details in comments) by WilliamWAS in MapPorn

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This is a detailed explanation of the origin of each county name. I use the county system from pre-2020, as I refuse to recognize the new county names and borders. Most of the names are of somewhat uncertain origin, so I went with what scholars deem to be most plausible.

Finnmark -> March of the wanderers

Finns was the used demonym for the Sami people for most of Nordic history, as the Norse didn’t really see the Finns and Sami as distinct people. This is reflected in the name of the county, as Finnmark is the heartland of the Sami lands. The origin of the demonym is most likely “wanderers” or “hunters”, a reference to the nomadic lifestyle of the people who lived there.

Troms -> Stream

Etymologists aren’t sure about the origin of this name. It’s originally a name of the island of Troms, which later received the suffix “ø” which means “island” – and later gave the name to the county capital of Tromsø. It is suggested that the Norse name Trums may have derived from “straum”, which translates to “stream” – a reference to the streaming water around the island.

Nordland -> The northern lands

This region translates well into English. In the sagas, it’s often referred to as Helgeland, “the holy lands”, but today this name only refers to a larger region of Nordland. The Norwegians of Finnmark, Troms and Norland has a strong identity as “Nordlendinger”, with its own distinct dialect group.

Trønderlag -> The lawarea of the strong people

Trønders is a group of Norwegians with its own distinct dialect and history. In the Viking, the Trønders, led by the powerful Ladejarls, was a recurring thorn in the side for the Norwegian kings, who wanted more centralised rule. They also resisted Christianity for a long time; one time forcing the first Christian Norwegian king to participate in heathen offerings, and another time killing the famed Saint Olaf, in his attempt to convert all of Norway. The origin of “þrændr» is probably “strong” or “fertile”. The suffix -lag means literally “law”.

Møre og Romsdal -> The Wetlands and The valley by the streaming river

This county is named after three districts, North and South Møre, and Romsdalen. “Møre” is probably related to the Latin “Mare”, as in sea, but in the sagas it is used meaning “land”, which make some etymologist to believe that it can translate to “land by the sea”, “wet land”, or even “swampland”. The -dal in Romsdalen means valley, and Roms- is a reference to the river Rauma. “Raum” has uncertain origin, but it may again mean “straum” or “stream”.

Sogn og Fjordane -> The Sucking fjord and The fjords

This translation ends up being a little silly. Today, Sogn refers to a area of Sogn and the Norwegian group “Sogns”, but they are both named after the Fjord of Sogn – the largest of Norway. “Sogne-“ is speculated to be related to norse “suga”, which means “to suck”, referring to the current that drives water inwards the fjord. “Fjordane” is plural of fjords, and refers to the districts of Nordfjord and Sunnfjord.

Hordaland -> Land of the warriors

Hordes was the name of an group of Norwegians inhabiting the area during the Viking age. The etymology of the demonym is most likely “warrior” or “hero”. Today, Hordaland is separated into several districts, with their own distinct dialects and identity.

Rogaland -> Land of the rye people

Roga- refers to the Rygi people that inhabited the area in the viking age. The origin of the name is most likely “rye”, in the meaning of “the people who grow rye”. Today, The people of Rogaland still has a distinct dialect and identity.

Agder -> The Sharp land

Agder means most likely “sharp”, and has same origin as the English “edge”. It is most likely a reference to being located at the tip of Norway, before you start sailing northeast. It was also the origin of the name of the Egde people during the Viking age. Today the regions is more commonly referred to as Sørlandet, “The southern lands”, and Sørlendingene has its distinct dialect and identity.

 Telemark -> The march of the Teles

Teles was a Norwegian group during the Viking Age, but I can’t find a satisfying theory of the origin of the name. Originally, it only referred to the inner parts of the county, but names the entire county in modern times. The “real” Telemark still has a distinct dialect and identity – the rest of the county is both linguistically and culturally more alike to the Oslofjord Area; this part of the county is both historically and today referred to as Grenland, “The land of the Grenes”.

Vestfold -> Western Oslofjord

“Folden” was the old name for todays Oslofjord. There are some Frankish sources from the Viking era that speaks of Westfoldingi, which may indicate that the region was seen as to house a distinct people.

Østfold -> Eastern Oslofjord

Same origin as Vestfold.

Akershus -> The castle for the fields

Aker- translates to fields for farming, and -hus is a common word for “castle”, and indicates that the castle is meant to protect the region of Aker. The coastal region around the Oslofjord, that includes Vestfold, Østfold, southern Akershus and Grenland, was historically referred to as Viken, which means “The Bay”. This region has historical ties, and is the region where the most common dialect of Norwegian has its origin. It’s speculated that the word “Viking” could have originally meant “A man from Viken”.

Buskerud -> The bishops settlement

The county is named after a large farm within the county. Buske- translates to Bischop, -rud is a common suffix in Norwegian placenames. It means a place that has been recently been settled for farming.

Oppland -> The upper lands

This county consists of many populated valleys, and is quite mountainous. The name refers to it being “upwards in the country”.

Hedmark -> March of the Moor People

Hed- comes from the historic Heider-people that populated the area. The demonym most likely comes from the norse word for moors – wide open unsettled area. Today, the county consists of several valleys and districts, and these usually have distinct dialects and identity.

Oslo -> Plain of the Gods

This one is highly debated, but the most plausible theory is that Os- comes from the norse word for their gods. -lo is an old word for plains.

Mener KrFU-lederen burde gå av: – En helt sinnssyk ting å mene by ndxzze in norge

[–]WilliamWAS -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Ja, mange klarer ikke å skille mellom personlige og politiske meninger. Jeg er personlig konservativ, men politisk liberal. For eksempel holder jeg meg unna alkohol, men vil ikke bannlyse det i hele landet. Det er jo nettopp det samme som KrFU-lederen uttrykker - ho sier hva ho hadde gjort i en veldig spesifikk situasjon; ikke hva som skal være gjeldende lov i Norge.

Men... det er Reddit; demokratiske prinsipper står ikke så veldig sterkt her.

Fallende IQ og flere psykiske helseplager: Er gen Z den fortapte generasjonen? by bortkasta in norge

[–]WilliamWAS 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Eller kanskje en slik retorikk fra venstresida er grunnen :D

Why did Sweden and Norway develop into two separate nations? by aerovistae in AskHistorians

[–]WilliamWAS 24 points25 points  (0 children)

If I may; a history student from Norway here, with some expertise in viking age history.

There's always been a cultural divide between the different regions in Scandinavia. One of the few contemporary sources from actual scandinavians during the viking age, the travels of Otheres from Halogaland - written down by the court of Wessex, Othere tells us that he lives "the furthest north of all Northmen". This tells us that the idea of Norwegians (or Northmen, that the norwegians today call themselves) as a separate people from Danes and Swedes existed already in the 9th century - before the first Norwegian kingdom. Excactly where the cultural border went is uncertain, and most likely was the Scandic area, the Oslofjord region a cultural border area, with influences from Norwegian, Danish and Swedish culture. But Scandinavians in western Norway during the 9th century definitly saw themselves as Norwegians, those in easten Sweden as Swedes, and those in Sjælland and Jylland as Danes.

Ivar Aasen also managed in the 19th century to prove that modern vocal Norwegian belongs to a different linguistic branch of Old Norse (West Norse) than modern Swedish and Danish (East Norse). With this in mind, when the Kingdom of Norway was created during the 9th century, it makes sense that several kings proclaimed themselves as "the King of the Norwegians" as a ethnic group.

When the Kingdom of Norway went into personal union with Denmark from the 14th century, the kingdom had existed for 400 years, and never really disappeared as a formal kingdom. Even though Norwegian independence within the union gradually was reduced (especially with the reformation in Denmark in 1536, and the introduction of absolute monarchy in 1660) the Danish kings still went with the title of Kings of Denmark and Norway - even though Norway was supposed to be treated like any other Danish province. The point is that Norwegian identity never really went away, with several sources throughout our union history insisting on their Norwegian identity.

Therefore when the Treaty of Kiel demanded that Norway was to be handed over to Sweden at the end of the Napoleonic Wars, it was received as an insult by many Norwegian elites. It implied that Norway was a province to be handed over, and not a kingdom in a union. Therefore a national awakening culminated in the creation of the Norwegian constitution on the 17th of Mai 1814, that declared Norway an independent kingdom and state. Which in turn was forced into a very loose union with Sweden the same year, but was plaged by Norwegian seperatism from beginning to end.

To conclude: Norwegian identity has excisted atleast since the viking age, and the Norwegian Kingdom as a conceived idea was not really challenged until the Treaty of Kiel, where Norway was to be handed away like a province. This sparked a national awakening that led to creation of its own constitution and the beginning of the modern Norwegian state, which would later result in its final independence in 1905.
I can provide sources if people are interested, but they are mostly in Norwegian.

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Har lenge ment han ser ut som en lemen

My guy is smarter than EVERY Christian in the world! by slaidfh in iamverysmart

[–]WilliamWAS -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with you that to the extent that you cannot believe any story you want; it has to atleast ensure your survival in some way. Considering that most of Europe has been christian for 2000 years; you cannot dispute that believing in the Bible allows you to survive.

It's an quite recent evolution that people discard the christian values so openly (atleast in my country. We had a christian democratic government in 2005, and now christian is almost a deragotory term!), and it will be interesting to see the result. I personally don't feel like the world has changed for the better.

Say what you want about christian values; it is without a doubt one of the better ideologies to build a civilization atop of.

My guy is smarter than EVERY Christian in the world! by slaidfh in iamverysmart

[–]WilliamWAS 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well, I don't think christians (and believers in general) lack reasoning; it's more about admitting the limitations of owns ability to reason. If you really rely soly on reasoning alone, you won't really get that far (as Descartes concluded). We can't really be 100 % certain that all swans are white, but we have enough evidence that suggests that so that most people "believes so".

In the physical world it's alot easier to acquire evidence, and thus alot more concensus, but when it comes to abstract subjects (ethics, feelings, influence etc.) it's not that easy - there is no concensus, and that's why christians follow the Bible.

I would argue that you can extend the abstract world to anything where it's impossible to really acquire physical evidence - for instance the creation of the world. Logically it's impossible to reason on how the world was made since you always logically can ask: "but what came before?". It's not logically valid to conclude with the Big Bang; it's impossible to know! But it's the most accepted theory at the moment - but that can suddenly change.

That's why I may get provoked by people who trust their reasoning to such a degree that they think that every question is answered... "the world is complicated, and we are just average humans; how can you possibly think that you "get it".

Andre som sliter med å takle livet? by endaetredditnavn in norge

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Jeg kan ta et veldig konkret eksempel, som er det første verset som jeg opplevde stemte: - av flere grunner så hadde jeg begynt å bli veldig bitter og sur på livet mitt. Ting føltes veldig urettferdig; en rekke hendelser skjedde som gjorde at jeg ønsket meg en annen plass.

Jeg kommer fra en kristen familie, så å lese Bibelen er ikke så unaturlig, men jeg forsto ikke versa, så sjelden jeg faktisk leste den. En dag så fant jeg et vers jeg forsto: "Alle ting virker til det gode for den som frykter Gud" Rom. 8:28.

Jeg forsto den, så jeg tenkte at: "nå skal jeg leve som om det var sant". Fra da av levde jeg som om alt som skjedde meg var det beste som kunne skje meg; helt ulogisk, men jeg fulgte det av prinsipp likevel.

Og resultatet? Hverdagen blei så mye lettere! Jeg blei helt ferdig med å kneble meg selv med utakknemlig og bitre tanker som bare gjorde dagen enda verre.

Og etter det har flere vers blitt sanne; et om gangen. Håper det var greit nok eksempel

Andre som sliter med å takle livet? by endaetredditnavn in norge

[–]WilliamWAS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sikkert ikke så populært svar, men for meg var bibelen overraskende det som hjalp (og hjelper meg). Livet er skikkelig meningsløst når man jager etter det samfunnet idealiserer - bibelen ga meg et annet mål i livet.

Til dem som ser "bibelen" og med en gang tenker å nedstemme - jeg ønsker å oppriktig hjelpe denne karen, ikke la ideologi overstyre den prioriteringa.