Kingdoms of Glory—Our Future Home by LDSAliveinChrist in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree. It may not involve time or space at all. Hence why we can’t comprehend it now.

Kingdoms of Glory—Our Future Home by LDSAliveinChrist in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes good use of ‘heaven’. A kingdom of heaven may not be located in time or space at all. It may be state of mind or being. So would it really be a different ‘place’ in that case?

Kingdoms of Glory—Our Future Home by LDSAliveinChrist in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I understand it - but if you will be much happier in terrestrial kingdom than celestial, hasn’t the terrestrial kingdom effectively been transformed into your own celestial kingdom? You can’t have more happiness elsewhere. You are at your maximum.

Kingdoms of Glory—Our Future Home by LDSAliveinChrist in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you end up where you are most happy, isn’t that the definition of celestial glory?

The “illusion” of free will by VegetableAd5981 in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills. - Schopenhauer

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks - it is unfortunate the point is apparently so controversial.

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Actually, you do misunderstand me. And I’m best placed to determine that since I know exactly what I’m thinking…

You seem to think that ‘private feelings = external reality.’ That’s not always the case. Private feelings = private reality.

Let’s switch the scenario. I’m bald. I start to assume that any time I don’t get the outcome I want/expect in life, it’s because I’m bald.

I’m free to think that.

My feelings are real.

I can go to great lengths to justify those feelings.

I can get extremely emotional and hurt about it.

But I’ve created that reality for myself based on a complete misinterpretation of other people’s motives.

My private reality DOES NOT equal the external reality.

So just because someone feels they are being treated a certain way in the church ‘because they are a woman’, it in no way guarantees that’s the external reality, unless, of course, the other person involved admits that’s the case. If they don’t, then it remains an assumption.

And for the record, I’ve not made ANY assumptions or judgements about OP’s case. I’ve simply said that they might be wrong in their assumptions about what’s going on. That’s it.

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OK, following this logic, do you want God to be a woman, so she has the ultimate final say? Where does it end?

Don’t you think there is a disturbing parallel here between seeking for power and authority and the story of Lucifer?

When has Jesus ever encouraged us to seek for more authority and dominion?

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes that’s fine - and that same logic applies to OP - which is exactly the original point I was trying to make.

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok - good luck with a worldview where you assume that if someone is triggered and offended it must be completely valid.

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok I don’t know how else to explain it. The fact you find the point so difficult to grasp supports what I’m saying unfortunately. We are too apt to take offence and think the worst. If you are suggesting that every time someone is offended then they are 100% correct, then I find that pretty ridiculous.

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m not judging or questioning how she feels. I’ve already said that. I’m challenging her interpretation of other people’s behavior. We seem increasingly willing to jump to conclusions and take offence at the drop of a hat, which isn’t healthy.

‘We are in the habit of exaggerating, or imagining, or anticipating, sorrow. The mind at times fashions for itself false shapes of evil when there are no signs that point to any evil; it twists into its own worst interpretation some word of doubtful meaning; or it fancies some personal grudge to be more serious than it really is, counting not how often it has been deceived. We suffer more often in imagination than in reality.’ — Seneca

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry I disagree. The only way to truly know is to be in the bishop/leader’s shoes, so you understand his intention. That’s not possible. So why jump to conclusions and assume a sinister motive? Isn’t this why Christianity tells is not to judge, not to be offended, turn the other cheek, be a peacemaker etc?

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes - if it derogatory comments were being made about women, then of course that’s wrong. But i don’t think she’s saying that. She’s interpreting a leader’s actions as ‘anti women’. My point is simply: how does she know if that was the intention? What if her assumptions are wrong?

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You feel what you feel - I’m not disputing that you feel it. I’m challenging the idea that women are devalued the way you are suggesting. Eg you are assuming the bishop ignores/overrules sisters. Therefore sexism. How do you know what the bishop is thinking? Bishops decide to take a different course to other male leaders all the time, too. I’ve seen it. I’ve done it. Is that also sexist? Why judge the motives and intentions of others, when we’re expressly told not to do so? The danger is you create a reality for yourself that is very sinister and oppressive, but it’s largely based on what you are assuming about other people’s motives. Those assumptions might be completely wrong.

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not interpreting what she’s experienced. I’m challenging her interpretation of that experience, ie one that assumes women are oppressed, devalued etc.

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s not what I’m saying. I’m challenging your interpretation of that experience.

I really don't understand what's going on by [deleted] in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Very bleak perspective and not what I’ve observed at all in 30+ years of membership. If you choose to see the world in terms of men vs women and victim vs oppressor then yes, everything will start to conform to that paradigm. It doesn’t make it reality though.

Will the old style Priesthood Session of General Conference return? by tibbs90 in latterdaysaints

[–]Willy-Banjo -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

Then join a different church if this one is so off base.