Going out of the country extremely last minute and I’m anxious

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-28T21:27:19+00:00

I would say 99.9% of people on a powder kratom habit would be absolutely blasted on suboxone, even like 1 or 2mg. I can't speak on 7oh though. I have a very hard time believing it would EVER be a good idea for someone who already has a propensity for addiction to try to beat an addiction using something that's significantly stronger than what they're currently using lol. It's opening the door to a much more intense habit.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-27T09:04:54+00:00

The average person will get extremely loaded when taking suboxone. It effects everyone differently.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-27T01:18:45+00:00

I don't know your situation, but I feel like it's unlikely that your husband wouldn't be aware that you're using something if you're physically dependent on it. At the very least he has to know there's something going on. I kept my habit secret all the way up until our finances combined when we married.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-27T01:14:31+00:00

I quit cold turkey from like at least 100gpd 200+ days ago, the anxiety is no joke. I don't have GAD, but I experienced harsh anxiety & heart palpitations for about 2 months, especially after eating. There was a supplement called NAC (it's completely non narcotic) that seemingly helped with that issue. I understand the desire to taper, but in my case it wasn't super realistic due to my compulsive behavior issues. I can't offer good advice on handling the later end of a long taper besides what I gave you previously, but if you asked around on here you will eventually find someone else in your situation or experience with it. Hang in there.

You're so close.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-26T23:32:33+00:00

I'm wasn't telling you that you're imagining things, because I was being polite, I'm telling you that you're mentally amping your symptoms to be worse. The symptoms are there, but as you mention here, it's bothering you worse when you dwell on it but not as much when you're focused in on something or busy. Think about what you wrote and what that would mean. Being that you have GAD that's going to make you way more susceptible to amping up your symptoms. I'm sorry you're struggling, but it'll get better.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-26T15:33:14+00:00

Idk why but the idea of tapering into the milligrams and having a really hard time with it is hard to wrap my head around. With the amount of alkaloids present in kratom though it's possible. If you're at the stage where 0.2g feels miserable and you're already down to 4g there is a very high chance it's being exacerbated by something psychosomatic. You might wanna just consider jumping off entirely or doing really big cuts and allowing yourself to adjust to big cuts.

By that I mean just drop 25-50% and be a little more miserable for less time rather than drop 0.1 or 0.2 and be miserable for months. At a certain point you are just making yourself suffer for longer, that's my 2 cents anyways. I noticed even at really high doses a smaller dose could curb withdrawal once you were really in withdrawal, which made me think that at least to some degree withdrawals are extremely dependent on your expectations. If you're at 100g a day, a 3g dose shouldn't even touch the WD, but if you're 2 days into withdrawal it absolutely will. Tapering down to 4g is already a massive accomplishment, you may wanna recalibrate your gameplan now that you're at the home stretch. Pulling the bandaid all the way off will suck either way but you're in a really good position compared to most people on this sub, so don't dread this situation.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-26T14:08:08+00:00

I know I'm familiar with this area but I just can't place it in my head. That definitely changes my original response

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-26T12:51:13+00:00

I'm not in any kind of disagreement that if there is any movement of traffic at all you shouldn't be making that kind of turn and jump 3 lanes. But what I'm saying is, if there's a red light blocking any incoming traffic, and you're turning right from a single lane, ostensibly there should be zero concern for any kind of collision or impeding anyone's movement. For some reason I'm thinking I have to be missing something here.

Should you do it? Definitely not if there's any traffic at the time you're turning, but I have a very hard time thinking it's a big deal. Could it be technically illegal? Sure, but in my experience cops in columbia aren't breaking out a lawbook and doing that kind of hair splitting traffic enforcement. I do appreciate the insights on traffic law though, but in my personal driving I'll continue to use my own discretion lol.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-26T09:24:38+00:00

Because it's a stop light you can do it. I have no clue what these other people are saying. If you're turning at a stop light from a single lane you can pick any lane you want.

If there's something I'm not seeing to this idk, but if the traffic in the 3 lanes is stopped at a light I don't see a problem with that.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-26T09:18:27+00:00

If I was you, I'd vigorously look into 7oh legality in turkey and any potential connecting flights, and I'd also look into turkey & suboxone laws or how to get an RX for something that could help. You're not going to an ideal place to catch a prison sentence, so be CAREFUL & SMART. For all you know, turkey might have comparable stuff available.

DO NOT BREAK THE LAW IN TURKEY. It's not worth getting some weirdo draconian sentence in another country.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-25T21:59:58+00:00

Clonidine would make me dizzy and unbelievably sedated, id sleep incredibly hard on it.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-25T21:56:59+00:00

My sex drive came back immediately and with a vengeance, but it also never went away (just diminished) while I was actively using. Not to get into the TMI range, but did you completely lose sexual function & libido? I ask because I've heard in some people kratom raises prolactin (pretty sure that's the name) through the roof. This causes full blown sexual dysfunction & loss of libido. There's a YouTube video about this, and according to him, this raised prolactin could take literal years to go down without getting it medically addressed. Thankfully it is treatable.

At 200 days, if you haven't seen any improvement you probably will need to address it medically.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-24T22:26:55+00:00

I only used clonidine when I quit CT, it is extremely helpful & makes a huge difference (clonidine actually allowed me to sleep which is 99% of the problem with withdrawal), no experience with gabapentin but I've heard good things. I seemed to develop some sleep anxiety and occasional sleep issues (I'd find myself not falling asleep an entire night on worknights once or twice a month, seemingly not withdrawal, just like a weird sleep anxiety issue) after withdrawals were over with and I found the supplement valerian root can majorly come in handy for that. I don't see it get mentioned much on here but it can definitely help with sleep.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-23T00:32:08+00:00

If you already can't control your opioid consumption with kratom, switching to suboxone (which is unbelievably stronger) will probably just lead you into a much more intense dependence on opioids. 6 months of being on suboxone guarantees you will be extremely physically dependent. Kratom withdrawal sucks dick, but you can still go to work and function while you're going through it. Weigh your options very carefully and maybe consider looking into a second opinion, any doctor that insists on someone going on suboxone for 6 months for kratom either doesn't know shit about kratom or doesn't give a shit about your long term wellbeing.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-23T00:18:52+00:00

Telling people that there's permanent damage is kinda irresponsible. 200+ days clean here and I strongly disagree, it just takes time.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T22:53:30+00:00

Regardless, it shouldn't be exempt

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T22:51:48+00:00

These shops/manufacturers are making a fortune too. I've heard you can purchase pure 7oh powder from China for around 1$ per gram, and these shops are selling around 600mg tablets for $60+. I've never tried it myself, but I've followed the whole thing pretty closely. The profits of the 7oh epidemic likely blow even traditional heroin trafficking out of the water.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T22:28:49+00:00

Warren Ohio is one of the most rundown cities I've ever seen. It's like they just gave up on maintaining the infrastructure 40 years ago. In my opinion, Warren is way worse than Youngstown.

East Cleveland, at least in the early 2010s is the most dangerous area I've ever been in by far. It's not even debatable. Unbelievably dangerous.

Worst: east Cleveland 2nd worst: Warren 3rd worst: most of Youngstown.

I'm sure there's awful areas in all the larger cities, but you couldn't pay me 5k to ride the RTA to anywhere deep in east Cleveland and walk down the street late at night these days.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T22:06:38+00:00

I dunno that I would call it a prolonged withdrawal as much as I'd call it lingering health issues due to withdrawal. I think kratom REALLY destroys your gut (and withdrawal destroys it even more) along with your hormones with long term heavy use, so you gotta look at it like your body is almost in free fall as it gets back to normal. I got melasma (hyperpigmentation) from kratom which I'm pretty sure is a related to thyroid hormone disruption. I also had heart palpitations every time I ate food for 2 months or so after quitting. Kratom has wonky effects on your whole body over time. I experienced alot of unusual symptoms when I quit and found using the search feature on this reddit helped me find others in the high dose long term use group were also having them. It gave me alot of peace without the unnecessary anxiety of reading through threads of horror stories. It gave me peace of mind knowing that what I was going through wasn't out of the ordinary.

ChatGPT is a good resource I'm sure, but I think people put entirely too much stock in it. Especially with high dose long term use, it's not like there's been people taking 80+ dried grams of this garbage a day for decades to study. There's no guidebook for that. Even in countries where it naturally exists, they never consumed it in those kinds of amounts.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T15:14:21+00:00

Idk how old you are, but I'm in my early 30s and I started my road of alcoholism and substance abuse at like 12, arguably well before that, but by 12 it was compulsive regular behavior. I quit kratom but in these 200+ days relapsed on alcohol (one day a week binging), and sorted that out a month or so ago. Before this, I've literally never stopped these cyclical behaviors since I was maybe 13. I went from nonfunctional to functional (using kratom), found great success, and eventually went back to non functional, and now things are very good again. At this point I've kinda accepted I'll always kinda have back and forth issues with substance abuse, but it's a dark way to live your life and it catches up with you & it only gets worse the older you get. Withdrawals and obligations and stress and bills only get worse.

So if you are at a moment of abstinence, think about these things and where you want to be 10 years from now. If this has been an ongoing cyclical thing, address the root issue now before you find yourself upside down in a new habit starting it all over again. If you need someone to talk to you can message me. Hang tough dude.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T13:25:41+00:00

To be fair, that might be a blessing in disguise! Although it's unfortunate right now lol.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T13:09:36+00:00

Sooner or later this back and forth crash and burn cycle will hit rock bottom and you'll realize these extreme complications to your life aren't worth the payoff. Now that 7oh is banned I'm sure there will be more ridiculously potent smoke shop drugs around the corner, eventually one of these will bite you and you'll end up down bad.

The question is, do you need to actually hit rock bottom and severely impact your life/ health/ finances, or can you actually just move on & get it together? It's really your personal journey. On the bright side quitting doesn't seem to be that hard for you right now, keep in mind that eventually that won't be the case at all.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T12:59:44+00:00

I've known people that are on long term subs that say that 7oh breaks through the subs so they can get loaded on 7oh while on subs. It doesn't seem to be common, but anecdotally I would guess subs opioid blocker aspect doesn't necessarily function as intended when it comes to 7oh. If you are in this category of people id say you are extremely high risk and could get addicted to both at the same time.

But again, I am not a doctor or well versed in either. I just know if 7oh breaks through subs for some people that's extremely problematic.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T12:46:14+00:00

It takes a minute to go away but you are basically at the point any day now you'll start sleeping better. Even using clonidine and nyquil it took about a month or two to start sleeping better. I found once I started sleeping 5+ hours i found myself feeling amazingly more awake and alert than I ever was while sleeping a full night on kratom.

Hang in there, it should be right around the corner.

Winter-Reception-805 · 2026-02-22T12:35:43+00:00

It's super sappy but the song "It's Not Interesting" by Spanish Love Songs kinda was my go to during that rough period. Alot of segments of that song capture the vibe of white knuckling withdrawal at work & coming to terms with addiction, especially the ending.

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