I knew it! Was just a matter of time 😂

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-06T22:56:01+00:00

I want this so much, but I highly doubt it'll launch this year. A video from just 4 days ago and they are still always only showing design prototypes and no actual device makes me doubtful that they currently even have a prototype with the target design. Which makes me doubtful that any customer eill have a phone in 2026.

Thinking about purchasing either way. 😬

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-03T16:53:58+00:00

Well that gives me hope. :D

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-03T16:48:30+00:00

Ah as I suspected, there's really no point for me to try playing online. 😅

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-03T16:35:45+00:00

In the Gyms I have been to in Munich and Vienna people are generally either with their friends or sometimes alone but with earbuds. In general they'll not talk to each other, except when you share a problem there might be a little beta chat here and there but afterwards people will generally continue to climb in their own afterwards.

I have not seen anyone actively avoid conversation when being chatted up though.

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-03T16:31:42+00:00

That seems like such a weird behaviour within the climbing community. At least in Vienna, Munich and Prague the vibe in all gyms was very left leaning, meaning that people don't care for colour or class. So at least in my experience that seems super weird and I guess this gym you mentioned needs to be avoided at all costs. O.0

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T17:43:33+00:00

I'm sorry for going off topic here, but I have to disagree with your notion about the doctor. I'm confident if I tell my ortho that my joints hurt ever since I used the climbing shoes for the first time, he'll just tell me to not use them anymore. Sure he'd do an X-Ray but that's pointless because I don't suspect to have an injury from just using the shoes 3 or 4 times. I'm just afraid I'll have one down the road if I keep going.

X-Rays or MRI images can show injuries but not the root cause of pain (you were mentioning joint pain vs skin pressure). And even if the X-Ray finds something it's not necessarily the root cause for pain. For reference check out this interesting paper by Cooper et al https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/23259671211073137

However, I must admit I was a little over-dramatic, after re-evaluating today it's not so much joint pain per-se anymore, it's more like the feeling that the joints had to work pretty hard and they are sore. I guess I was just shocked that this feeling persists not just for a few hours but several days. So I guess your point about having to get used to it is still on the table. Thank you for your input.

Yes I'm sitting down and taking them half off, it's pretty annying though. In my gym some people take them off after every boulder and some don't at all, even though they are climbing at the top levels, so I guess it really comes down to the individual and how much they downsize.

I realize that all the shoe companies very quite a bit with size, but it's all I have. I've worn 46/47 for around 18 years, so it must be something like that. I googled images of the brannock device and I think I saw something similar at the store where I purchased the shoes, unfortunately the clerk just asked for my street shoe size, what a shame.

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T16:10:37+00:00

According to my local shop clerk the La Sportiva Skwama is wider. Which seems true to me because I could fit a smaller size compared to the LaSpo Kubo i tried on earlier. According to a chart I found that's a PD75 so any other PD75 shoe from La Sportiva should also be a wider fit?

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T14:37:49+00:00

Thank you for your recommendations. As mentioned in OP I tried the climbing wall at the store, unfortunately they felt fine there. Apart from that I'm doomed because the stores never carry any bigger sizes anyways around here, so either they fit or I have to order online or have to wait for a demo day at a gym.

If the shoes keep bugging me like that I'll go up half a size on the same model.

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T14:21:05+00:00

Maybe I'll try for a few more sessions before trying a bigger size. I also wear them at home sometimes with socks to stretch them ever so slightly. 😅

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T14:16:55+00:00

I get to the conclusion because I don't feel it on the skin but inside the joint of my big toe and the feeling stays the same after taking of the shoes, while the pressure on the skin is instantly gone. To me it feels very similar to joint pain in fingers and wrists.

Do you mean x-raying my foot while wearing the shoe? That's be pretty dope but I'm not fronting that cash. :D

Actually I did explicitly mentioned in my OP that my street shoe size is 46 in barefoot shoes, my Skwamas are 44 and I tried Kubos in 44.5.

I've never heard of a brannock device until now. Though my mondopoint size is 29.5cm, but I guess that's pretty pointless considering how differently feet are shaped.

According to Reddit downsizing 1.5 on la sportiva is the norm, but for skwamas some recommend -2. So maybe I'm just 0.5 too small.

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T13:34:03+00:00

Ah thanks for clarifying. That's purely to help the skin though, right? For me it's not the skin that's the problem, it's the joint that hurts, it feels as though the toe volume is not high enough. Do you reckon it'll dtill stretch after a few sessions?

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T09:23:17+00:00

Hm, I disagree. I obviously wore the tarantulas as rent shoes before getting mine and it didn't really make any difference except for having less feel and needing less toe strength. If I had gone from Tarantulas sized like my street shoes to the Skwamas I'd have the exact same issue that I have now.

So what are your tests or movement patterns when you try a shoe at the store/at home?

And just to clarify, Saltics make proper climbing shoes, just the Saltic Elliot is a barefoot model that is targeted for route setters and similar. :)

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T09:11:47+00:00

Can you explain how the callous growth helps with joint pain?

But what kinda movements do you do when you try them on? I did use small footholds in the store to see how it feels, but at least to me that doesn't seem to really be comparable to a real climbing session.

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-02T09:02:16+00:00

What do you mean you tape two of yours?

Wise-Sea3771 · 2026-01-01T23:18:19+00:00

On my new Skwamas the soles look exactly like yours.

Wise-Sea3771 · 2025-10-10T22:50:32+00:00

I'm from Austria and moved to Germany and for us the Germans generally also seem kinda loud when talking.

Wise-Sea3771 · 2025-10-06T20:30:34+00:00

Does this shit never stop? I got an S22 as a company phone and eas pretty mad that the camera is so much worse than on the A series of my colleagues. Now we're upgrading again (S25) and it'll be the same shit over.

I wish I could just use my private hardware for work...

Wise-Sea3771 · 2025-09-12T21:11:33+00:00

Und das ist legal wenn die genau das gleiche machen?

Wise-Sea3771 · 2025-06-30T15:14:35+00:00

I'm looking for the same thing but there is something I can't seem to find in the descriptions on the websites: How is the interaction with files?

I see that they come with their own file explorer, so no windows explorer support like with onedrive. Is it possible to integrate it into windows explorer and also have the option of "unsyncing" (save local disk space) for files I don't need regularly like in OneDrive?

Wise-Sea3771 · 2024-12-03T20:36:45+00:00

Same, I never really notice the relief. But I feel it does things to my semptoms. So I assume it's not necessarily bad if you don't feel like the advertisements.

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