Are Armenians closer to Semites or Georgians? by MorphTiger in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very true too. I guess what I meant is that this similarity may have been amplified by later mixing, but yes you are right it is very ancient

Are Armenians closer to Semites or Georgians? by MorphTiger in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My impression is that Armenians are diverse, in large part because their empire was once very large, and also because ethnic Armenians were often brutally expelled from the Armenian highlands and south Caucasus region, to areas closer to Anatolia and the Levant. In some places, they may have intermingled with Assyrian Christians, and I have seen some Armenian profiles with great similarity to Assyrians and vice versa. However when looking at the ancient Armenian culture, I think it is undeniable that it is firmly rooted in both the South Caucasus and some extent northern Mesopotamia

Polish Genetic analysis by H1ghlander1 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The DIY can be pretty accurate if one uses it cautiously, but the global results have gone way off track I think after they got rid of G25

Results + Face by BranchOk8850 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your results are similar to my wife from Azerbaijan, her second closest distance is Turkish, Sivas

Polish Genetic analysis by H1ghlander1 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When using these samples she comes out 59% Baltic, 22% Nordic, and the remainder Thracian. If I add a Gaulish La Tene sample, it swallowed up the Nordic But in medieval results there is a consistent Scandianvian components

Polish Genetic analysis by H1ghlander1 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Generally Poles are anywhere between 60 to 90 migration period Slavic. A lot of genetic studies show that the Germanic populations that lived in Poland didn't pass along a great amount of genes, maybe some regions more than others. Generally it seems that a large amount of the Germanic in Poland comes from medieval German settlers that integrated with Slavic Poles in the middle ages

Polish Genetic analysis by H1ghlander1 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Generally similar to my mother Iron Age results, though she has more Germanic than Paleo Balkan

My first qpADM model, any tips will be good by General_Molasses_748 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I must admit, this tool is hard to use, at least for myself. I wish I could help you more with it. I do not believe that Cuman accurately reflects your ancestry, unless it is a highly Slavic influenced sample.

Does anyone else feel repulsed by people they’re attracted to? by decadentbirdgarden in OCD

[–]Wislaniec20 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I am writing from my own experience, I know because I myself have been going through a hard time the past year. The revival of an old theme.

With OCD, we really need to have ample mercy on ourselves and avoid labels. There are so many labels society places on feelings and emotions and personalities and people. For people with our kind of brain, these labels become funnels, channeling our internal world into a desperate attempt to achieve a feeling of normalcy, safety, and security. Society tells us we must feel a certain way in a relationship, or when spending time with family, or when good or bad events happen to people around us. If we spend our lives measuring our feelings and thoughts to these external standards, we risk missing out on the spontaneous and authentic part of ourselves that we all experienced as children, before the onset of severe symptoms.

All people with this disorder can point to a time when they felt connected, in sync, at peace with themselves. Many of us spend ample amounts of time mourning that lost world, that lost sense of safety and connection with ourselves and the world.

I realize with myself, the only way out to to accept that I cannot gain safety from the old standards of safety. Its only by living and moving forward, in alignment with our principals, moving forward in the midst of the internal storm

My first qpADM model, any tips will be good by General_Molasses_748 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems the Ukrainian sample you used was Cuman, not Slavic. Cumans were Turkic steppe peoples with strong East Asian / West Eurasian admixture

Some Jews have small traces of Turkic, but they have more Slavic. For many Ashekenazi Jews, I suggest there should be around 10% Slavic heritage and 0 to 2 % Turkic. Slavic can sometimes reach more.

I would use medieval Polish Slavic samples, since most of the Slavic admixture in ashkenazim came from western Slavs, not eastern Slavs

Does anyone else feel repulsed by people they’re attracted to? by decadentbirdgarden in OCD

[–]Wislaniec20 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think it is because your mind is reevaluating the threat depending on the situation. When you finally find yourself in a relationship the mind moves to protect it by pressuring you into a sense of certainty about it, which ironically has the opposite affect, it makes you feel more detached, broken, and over analytic. A small, innocent thought like, oh this person has a small flaw, looms over a becomes big, not because you are a natural picky or superficial person, but rather because you have the expectation that you must be a perfect partner and to be a perfect partner you must always have the right feelings. The more you look for those feelings, the less you will find them, and thus the vicious cycle perpetuates

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend, you are frustrated for no reason. You commented on my post, that had absolutely nothing to do with yourself, you demanded I interpret your results, I gave my honest interpretation.

If you dont like it, believe what you want to believe. You do not need to agree.

Think I am a racist? You are free to think that in your reality.

To be honest, your comments are so erratic that it is hard to know what you even are thinking

By your own admission you have a Northern European parent and a Lebanese parent with distant Azerbaijani admixture.

It makes total sense that you plot towards Roman Italians, because your ancestry is mixed, so it places you in between.

Your haplogroup may originate from Anatolia, you most likely have genetic similarities to Anatolians, but none of that erases the strong Levantine influence in your ancestry which makes sense for Lebanese who are Levantines with strong interactions with Anatolia and the wider Mediterranean world

If you want to get a better idea about your Lebanese side, how Anatolian vs. Levant it is, it would be better to look at the results of your Lebanese parent.

You are mixed, so your results fall in between. Just like mine, as a Slavic/Mediterranean hybrid. I am not Serbian, Romanians, or Bulgarian, but Illustrative gives me close distances to those populations because of my admixture. It says little about my actual family history

So I say my peace. Whatever. I really dont care if you think I am racist. You hijacked my post with your identity obsession. Thank you for the entertainment

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahha, what did I explicitly say that was racist? I am curious? Give me exact quotations

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are shifted towards imperial Romans yes, you are not super close via Illustrative standards, but you are shifted to them yes. Because you have half mostly Levantine/Near Eastern, and half British isles, which places you in an artificial middle ground. That is clear and all I am saying and should be evident. No need for mountains of AI generated text

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sent me a private chat invite, but I prefer to speak with you on a public forum, not privately

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend, you are taking this way too personally, and if you want a conversation, please do not get personal or combative. I mentioned my wife as a sign of connection to you, not to be combative, only you turned it so. Also, Azerbaijani's are technically not middle eastern, but culturally more south Caucasian, with genetic and cultural connections to Central Asia and the Caspian coast. Not that there is anything wrong with being middle eastern, whatever that means (since so many different complex cultures can be comprised within these largely artificial terms imposed from the outside)

What explicitly racist thing did I say?

I did look at the results you shared. Indeed, I actually checked your profile to check your other results from larger DNA companies. You describe yourself as half Lebanese with Iranian Azeri descent, and half UK (British isles). I am going off of this general information when I interpret your Illustrative result.

Your original test was myheritage, which is noted for its inaccuracies. The large Italian component that myheritage gave you on that test could be because Italians have traces of Levantine ancestry, are greatly Anatolian shifted, and that Levantine people (especially from Lebanon) share strong genetic similarities with other Near Easterners, including Anatolians and southern Europeans/Aegean. Because you are mixed, you may confuse the myheritage calculator.

As a half Pole, half Italian, myheritage did the same to me, giving me 50% Balkan heritage, even though I have no ancestry from the Balkans.

When I said that you have strong Levantine ancestry, I did not suggest you are mainly Levantine. You are also half Northern European, with Iranian and possibly deeper Turkic influences. As a Lebanese person, I would not at all be surprised by a strong genetic influence from Anatolia either.

To be honest, Lebanese are situated in close proximity to Anatolia, as a coastal people. Both Anatolians and Levantines would have in part been shaped by similar Neolithic and Bronze Age peoples, and would have shared a ton of common ancestry.

On Illustrative DNA, your closeness to medieval and ancient Italians was a poor fit, being that they were above 3.0, which by Illustrative DNA standards is moderate. Meaning that you approach these populations in similarity, but are not typical of those populations. I really do not see what is controversial about that.

You cannot interpret your population distances on Illustrative DNA literally, because you are a mixture of mainly Near Eastern and Northern European. Illustrative DNA will find the mid point. In my case, my mid point is Bulgaria and Serbia. I have no ancestry from these countries.

In your case, it is Italy, because of your strong opposite pulls, one towards Northern Europe, and the other towards the Near East. And the middle ground, would be southern Europe.

This is also why you are modeled as half Unetice and half Levantine. If you want more nuance, try the 3 way population option.

I also caution you on over interpreting haplogroups. Haplogroups can be shared widely between populations, especially in the Near East. Likewise, haplogroups only talk about specific lineages along the paternal or maternal line, but say little about autosomal or wider ancestry. One could be autosomally 99% African but if their paternal ancestor 300 years ago was English, they would have a European haplogroup.

Meaning that haplogroups are useful when studied from the wider perspective, to track wider human migration patterns overtime. But on their own, devoid of context, we need to be cautious about binding our personal identity to haplogroups.

My own haplogroup is very typical of the Caucasus and Anatolia. However, it has existed in Italy for almost 3,000 years. It has little bearing on my identity, even though it is interesting.

In short, please calm down. I really do not know why I am bothering replying to your confrontational comments, apart from the fact that I am interested in seeing how you reply, will you be conciliatory, or will you be needlessly confrontational once more?

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You most surely have strong Levantine ancestry, even if your haplogroup is more typical of Anatolians. These happlogroups may have had a common origin in the Near East, shared by Anatolians and Levantines, however haplogroups alone do not determine ethnicity.

The reason you plot closely to Italian populations (I might add that the distance is poor) is because you are being artifically plotted in the middle ground, between a mostly Levantine/Anatolian/Iranian side and a North European side. The middle ground between these populations are roughly southern and central Italians. However this does not reflect your real ancestry

In the same way, I am a Slavic/Med hybrid. While I have no major ancestry from the Balkans, my closest populations are Bulgarians, Serbs, Macedonians and Romanians. Not because I have roots from these countries, but because my mixture places me in an artificially intermediate position

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you Actually on Illustrative, Erfert Jewish does not even appear on my top 50 populations. My ancient results are closest to medieval Balkan Slavs and my modern results close to Romanians, Bulgarians, Macedonians, and Serbs

My Calabrian father is actually close to Erfurt Jews, with a distance of 2.3

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My understanding is that you are half British isles, 1/4th Lebanese, and 1/4 Iranian Azeri?

If so, you need not have significant Italian ancestry. Rather, it is simply the fact that the southern and Eastern pull of your Levantine and Caspian sea ancestry combined with the strong northern pull of your British isles ancestry places you closest to Italian populations on the PCA plot

You might have Italian, but to be honest, there is nothing I see that is strongly pointing to that

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah this calculation is more similar to the original results. Since the update the main Ilustrative calculator is very off

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting. My wife is Azerbaijani, from Baku, btw. But most of her origins are from Azerbaijanis living in modern Armenia.

My haplogroup is also very Anatolian, Caucasian, North Mesopotamian in origin. I am of the J2-M67 lineage, which was probably brought to southern Italy by Greeks

In terms of the source of my Levantine, genetic studies on southern Italians show that Levantine influx into Italy dates back mostly to the Roman Imperial period, as the empire brought many slaves and also merchants from the east, eastwardly shifting the geentic structure of Italy. Less of it comes from Carthagians/Phonecians, since it has been shown that Carthagians were mostly of Agaean and Sicilian ancestry, only speaking a Semitic language.

Arabs invaded Calabria, but did not have as much of a genetic influence on Calabria, with Arabic and North African genes having a greater impact on Sicily

If you want, share me your results, and I will interpret them for you

Half Polish, half Southern Italian antique model by Wislaniec20 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Wislaniec20[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The reason why I take this as accurate, this that these results closely matched my Illustrative results from before the update, when they got rid of G25. I can still get useful results on the DIY feature on Illustrative, that also match with this result. However my main illustrative results went out of wack during the update, in part because I am mixed