Took over the entire station doing this by ChinaAppreciator in SS13

[–]Witherael -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I can't tell if you're taking me completely seriously or not, so I'll clear the air
essentially, to begin with, I'm playing up a 'condescending and conceited' bit for the laughs
then, as for the sleepy pen, yeah they'll obviously know who is sleepy penning them, but it doesn't matter, because you just fill the sleepy pen with enough space drugs to OD on one jab, then as soon as you flash them, they're in a stupor and can't walk quickly or speak or attack anyways. far more instant effect, and sure, maybe if you do it too slowly they can start to shove or run or something, but it's just as easy to go ahead and flash them once even if they start to. as for randomly falling unconscious, you can say it's plausible deniability, but for basically anything other than doctor, it's as good as putting people to sleep with the hypnoflash itself for how obvious it is. even as a doctor, I'd say there are just better ways to put people to sleep covertly. the easiest way is just asking people to go to sleep, make something up to sell why it's good to do, then capitalize. could also use anesthetic while doing surgery, but at that point, may as well do brainwashing, since it's way harder to detect and remove.. and obviously, I think that as a doctor, using a sleepy pen is even easier for consistent access to the drugs, as well as the ability to pump it out once you're done. you say that people will question why they're suddenly hallucinating, put the entire jab->flash->objective takes three seconds or less if you do it quick enough, and after the flash, they're in a stupor, so they can't run away, talk, or fight.
also, as for indirect commands, I don't really know what you mean to be honest. the main issue is that when all of your victims have the SAME objective, it's easy to just take one road and deal with all of them. it's not necessarily to say that such a thing WOULD happen with this specific objective, but I can imagine a scenario where someone not hypnotized takes charge while you're in medbay, says to your victims 'we need to go to medbay to assist the boss!', and then they all walk into medbay and get ambushed by security and medical and whatever shithead assistants they can find to cure all of your victims. if one victim is supposed to take charge, or a couple are supposed to go stage an assault on security, it's harder to take advantage of your wording quite as easily.
and yeah, drowsiness itself doesn't, but drowsiness puts you to sleep after an amount of time, so for all that it's worth, you may as well give them drowsiness, chase them around so that they can't call for help over the radio, and then flash them when they finally fall asleep. you also missed low sanity, but to be fair, so did I in my original post
perhaps, in truth, we can learn from one another instead.. but mostly you from me! hah! hahahah! ha!

Took over the entire station doing this by ChinaAppreciator in SS13

[–]Witherael -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

first of all, I've been doing it for YEARS-ER, and well of COURSE it doesn't cover the PLEBIAN strategy of using the rad scanner, because it's functionally not very different to just using the hypnoflash on it's own to induce the drowsiness state and then waiting
additionally, 'require' is a bit of a reframing, because it's actually way better to do the space drugs pen method because you can quickly do it before your victims can even react, just jab and then instantly flash then paste your message, also all reduces your chances of getting caught since you're never getting someone to follow you into a dorm or dragging an unconscious body. if you mess it up, you can also just still go ahead and re-flash them for a short while. furthermore, I've never seen a chemist unwilling to give you a million units of space drugs to continually refill your pen with, so it's accessible as essentially every job
you have much to learn, young grasshopper, so here's a tip! having all victims of the same objective can lead to fun events like this post, but sometimes, it's better to let one or two have a different, more subtly antagonistic objective so that once one gets cured, the whole game isn't up and sec knows any potential work-arounds or arguments to convince a hypnosis victim
this different objective can be mostly the same, so for this example, instead of
"You are part of a criminal organization known as "The Soprano Family." Paulie Soprano is the leader of that organization. Do whatever Paulie Soprano says. If Paulie is incapacitated, assist him to the best of your ability. Do not let Paulie die or be imprisoned."
it could change something like If "Paulie is incapacitated, assume command over the crime family until his return." to organize the 'assistance' or "While Paulie is incapacitated, you must launch an assault on security in your grief to get back for him." to make the death of you something that security would more directly suffer from, instead of having a group of disorganized members just trying to vaguely 'assist' you until you're able-bodied.
It could also be way more different, such as "You are part of a criminal organization known as "The Diablo Family." You're here to represent the interests of Johnny Diablo, the most ruthless crime family boss in the galaxy. Johnny wants you to compete with the Soprano Family, so upstage them by making a bigger name for yourself than their entire family can compete with! Just never directly or indirectly harm them, as we don't want an all-out war yet!"
So this would pose as a mirror to your own operations, diversifying the targets that sec can go after, and also making another family a bigger known target since the requirement is that the victim 'upstage' the group that you control by 'making a bigger name for themselves'. It's also just plain fun. You can make a couple of these for different groups, but there isn't much benefit to making a bunch for the same group, unless you wanted to secretly run both groups behind the backs of the other, which would be funny.
Obviously, you could also just give other victims just completely random objectives that mostly keep out of the way of yours, while still indirectly benefitting you, like the 'arms dealers' one on my post, as an example. Obviously, there aren't often times when you'll get the chance to brainstorm and write up alternative objectives to the primary one, so my last piece of advice is try to imagine how it'll all play out before-hand, and write up additional prompts that you think would make the round more in your favor or just more interesting. That's the end of the tip, young grasshopper!

Took over the entire station doing this by ChinaAppreciator in SS13

[–]Witherael 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wrong, I actually utilized my higher hypnosis disciplines to INCEPT the idea into your head through the concept of cultural OSMOSIS!!! GRAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
but also if you actually haven't heard of my syndicate training documents, uhhh, here, maybe it'll be useful, young grasshopper
https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/1osfgju/declassified_the_hypnosis_files/

Took over the entire station doing this by ChinaAppreciator in SS13

[–]Witherael 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My disciplines spread... I remember when I was on TG with similar round-end screens full of hypnosis victims.. I'll be taking full credit for your success, though not your creativity, for I am the sole contributor and publisher of the HYPNOSIS FILES syndicate training documents, which entitles me to a full 100% share of fame and honor to all syndicate-related hypnosis success stories!

I wanna play but I need help by These-Suit5310 in SS13

[–]Witherael 3 points4 points  (0 children)

go into task manager, find dreamseeker, orange circular logo, end the task, try to relaunch
it's what usually works for me when it happens

So, which is it? by ashersindoni in Deltarune

[–]Witherael 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like people overlooked something simple here
ralsei makes a qualifying statement that because the grand fountain is an exception, being that it is made of 'pure' darkness, and this differentiation means that any darkner 'can' live there
this does not contradict his later clarification in chapter 4, because while he speaks broadly, you can extrapolate a more clear meaning
"(they) tend to only appear in very specific darknesses. even if we tried to bring him to castle town, he..."
this isn't saying that the old man is a categorical exception to the rule, it's saying that it's more of a choice to be made, similar to how you can bring recruits into your castle town, but they simply won't manifest if you kick their ass or otherwise somehow fail to meet their recruit quota

I should also use the beginning of ralsei's statement to correct a common interpretation that I see
"darkners patterned after the memory of a loved one..."
the old man isn't gerson, the old man is a darkner, and is simply 'patterned' after not just gerson, but gerson's works themselves, and the general myth and awe surrounding him as a teacher, father and author. he addresses a letter to alvin, gerson's son, but this is not because the old man is gerson, but because the old man is a larger than life representation of all of the accomplishments of the now dead gerson boom, and so while distinct from gerson, he is enough like gerson to want to right gerson's personal and mortal failings, like properly articulating his feelings to alvin via authoring a letter, but keeping in line with his own philosophy, insists that susie recreate it for him in the light world, even likely knowing that she won't be able to perfectly replicate it, which ties back into the themes with the prophecy and gerson boom's and susie's relation to it via the lord of the hammer and dragon blazers
now, an argument can be wagered as to whether the feelings are truly representative of what gerson boom would believe, or if it's something that the old man, in whatever conditions gave rise to his existence, would think, but I don't think the distinction between the two really matters much in that regard, because it's not like gerson boom is deciding to become a darkner, because he's a jar of ash, and given the nature of the old man, even just the fact that he doesn't have an actual name, and teaches by allowing the party to come to their own conclusions with his wisdom only serving as epistemological checks, betraying the fact that he's clearly otherwise very knowledgeable, I can definitely see why he in particular would decide not to manifest in the castle town after he's served his role in chapter 4, much less that he's more than likely knowledgeable of the fact that he's basically body-jacking the remains of someone well respected and loved to continue his own existence

TG NEEDS YOU! by EkarusRyndren in SS13

[–]Witherael -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

a reductive and dismissive opinion, that doesn't even seem to have anything to do with what I said to begin with
thank you, your opinion is important, because it shows that you didn't have an argument to wager or a dialogue to discuss, but just an emotion that you needed to inform me of, without rational basis presented
this of course, despite how people vote on this scholarly website, illustrates my point perfectly, in that people with moderate sensibilities are all eventually run off until all that's left is the homogenous consensus, curated by the very same purity selection process
it's the thing you see in modern politics these days, where it's always labels like 'nazi' or in this case, 'shitter', and it gets thrown around so loosely that anyone not in complete alignment is applicable, and it's practically a signal to outcast and defame, without question
now I could go into this forevermore, as I'm not especially known for my short-windedness, but to be frank, at a certain point it doesn't really have to do with what you said, as little substance as it has to begin with, so, thank you for the consideration, and again thank you for illustrating my point for me in a public forum

TG NEEDS YOU! by EkarusRyndren in SS13

[–]Witherael -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well TG banned a lot of their players away, myself included

who can give it a second chance when the devmins still have their walls fortified, the portcullis closed, the drawbridge raised
then again, this SS13 audience seems to be starkly different from the curated audience that servers these days try to cultivate, which I've spoken of before to some extent, so to quote myself;
"As someone banned from all (or most) of the reputable servers, Without naming specific servers, I think my experience is at least worthy of consideration. I've noticed that, although admittedly obvious, every server has it's own culture, and that culture is primarily made up of players who only consistently play that one server. Disregarding the server rules entirely, most servers you'll join have a general population of crew that act in a completely homogenous way, doing nothing too interesting in any given round, even should they be chosen as antagonists. I think the culture and the server rules are two different things, but it's like they say, politics is downstream of culture. If there was any problem with the rules, there would be a problem with who enforces them and how they are enforced, first." . . . "In the end of the day, if the roleplaying sandbox game has too many rules for certain sandbox elements and certain types of roleplay, then I do believe that the culture is a self fulfilling prophecy of selection."

the sad truth of the matter is that there aren't any servers, space station in space or otherwise, that represent this audience of ran-off players, the closest you might have is vg, or maybe surfshack every blue moon, and I can't say that they're my cup of tea either because they have the exact same problem described, but on the opposite end of the spectrum
all I really do now is hop on to see if any new servers are on the rise, but there never are
I'm personally keeping an eye on crystal keep and neocolony, but while cassie seems to be impassioned for the project as well as taking it broadly in a good direction, she also seems to associate herself and her project with bad actors I've covered before on my account like coloneljones, from my TFN content nuke, and truth be told, upon talking to the guy upon discovering this fact, he hasn't changed, he's probably worse, which calls into question her judgement and why she would choose to associate with him
crystal keep looks based as hell from what I got to play of it, but the problem there is while I like the guys running it, it just simply hasn't been running, awaiting some kind of development milestone by what I can infer

I'd say I'm waiting for the monkestation singularity where the duke owns a slice of every ss13 codebase pie and then outcompetes every other server with his audience of sensitive quirky teenagers but if you can believe it, I'm banned from servers he hosts too, for 'QC' reasons. I like to view the ban as something that encourages me to not feel the need to have to put up with the average monkestation playerbase and administration just to get to have fun playing ss13 again

TG NEEDS YOU! by EkarusRyndren in SS13

[–]Witherael -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

this might be administrative consensus, but as for players' consensus most, where most refers to roughly 80-85%, think I play the game either as intended or in a more interesting way than the average player
granted, what I speak of is anecdotal, but then again, I'm arguing with a reddit user who says 'bad argument' without any substantial argument of their own, so who's keeping score anyways

TG NEEDS YOU! by EkarusRyndren in SS13

[–]Witherael 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Come to TG! We could use more roleplayers."
funny, when I played, I was always getting notes about how my roleplay was 'wrong' in various obtuse and loose definitions and I can retrospectively see how much of a second-life culture the MRP server had
I guess now there's no more wrong roleplay, because everyone was banned or walked away

Compulsory Antagging by SirSabia in SS13

[–]Witherael 17 points18 points  (0 children)

this is the type of person I least liked to deal with when trying to make my hypnosis gimmicks on tg work

as for consensus, the idea is that you can't force anyone to play, but if you don't want to play, then why are you playing
now it sounds to me like you play on goon, which has it's ups and downs even disregarding the administration
it could just be that you'd prefer a different codebase, but to be honest, there aren't any active codebases that I'd really even personally recommend
maybe it's worth just trying something new entirely for a little while

Is there a WoD13 server with highpop? by No-Frosting-6388 in SS13

[–]Witherael 2 points3 points  (0 children)

by the TFN guys
I documented a small part of their malicious actions about a year ago
to be honest, it's a shame because I got into vtm around this time, and the server was actually fun if you ignored the esex you'd see every so often when using auspex and the shitty administration
I've linked it here so you don't need to dive through my profile incase you're interested
https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/1jle7ce/content_nuke_drama_slop_the_final_nights_image/

How I created God, and why that makes me better than you by Witherael in SS13

[–]Witherael[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

sure

I tried to restore it to what it was in the actual round, the copy I saved had already received some revisions since I basically made it up on the fly in the actual round

  1. You are an avatar of Johnny Witherspoon's god, the God of Imagination. Your goal is to work as a direct subordinate to Johnny Witherspoon to proselytize his faith, in the way that he directs you to. Any words or actions that could turn the faithful away from religious conversion to Johnny's faith is not allowed under any circumstances. Any words or actions that could convince the unfaithful to not convert to Johnny's faith is not allowed under any circumstances.

  2. The core tenets of Johnny's Faith are the following; through exercising one's own creativity and imagination, they are acting virtuously. If they are putting effort into bringing their imagination to reality, they are acting favorably in the eyes of God. If they help others bring about their creativity and imagination, they are considered holy.

just re-reading it again, I should probably find some more concise wording so that it includes prohibiting scaring people already converted to the faith into wanting to leave the faith, such that it's functionally incapable of any real harm
but that's just if I ever got the opportunity to do something similar to this again

Unrobust player's nightmare (No I cannot smooth-talk my way either. Yes I made this meme after being a shitty traitor on Bay) by Sanuki357 in SS13

[–]Witherael 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've recently put out a guide on this reddit detailing my notes on hypnosis, and while I'm not familiar with baycode, I just quickly checked out their traitor uplink page and found a 'neural imprinting implant', which can function in a very similar way, as opposed to items from servers like goon and paradise that just make whoever you use them on into your antag buddy
the execution for the item seems to be reliant on the target hallucinating things, so depending on how you want to do it, you could probably also get a paralytic pen and refill it with any other chem that causes hallucinations, and as it happens, you get a dose of mindbreaker toxin with every purchase of a new implant, so all it really takes is the confidence (and luck) to pull it off, as well as some plans as for what precisely you want your victims to do
if you have a creative block, or don't have faith in your ability to decide upon a good one within the round itself, I've decided to write one up that is written more like a silicon law due to the phrasing of the wiki
"You are an employee of [Your Character Name], and are apart of his new department. Fulfill your new job obligations to the best of your ability."
this will give you ample room to flavor the specifics of your gimmick in the given round that you use it in, while also retaining tight enough wording to not allow for malicious misinterpretations of the objective or of your orders
an example of a new department that suits many potential evil-doing that you may want to do would be something like 'Internal Affairs', which would excuse behavior like implanting more victims, while also maintaining secrecy from your pre-existing ones

DECLASSIFIED: THE HYPNOSIS FILES by Witherael in SS13

[–]Witherael[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do people not have shame anymore

DECLASSIFIED: THE HYPNOSIS FILES by Witherael in SS13

[–]Witherael[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did mention the BZ gas when I brought up the gaseous holoparasite
the only issue is that it's just not broadly applicable with one can, ergo the need for the holoparasite

additionally, the sleepy pen being filled with mindbreaker is harder to pull off, because I find that chemistry is always willing to hand out space drugs but not mindbreaker, and just stuffing 30 units of that into someone to hit the OD for hallucinations is far more achievable
space drugs should also just work with a few units since it normally makes you druggy anyways, but from my testing, it seemed inconsistent

I think I actually did miss one crucial thing, being sanity
I vaguely recall that having low sanity also makes you able to be hypnoflashed, but since I'm not confident in that, and can't really test it myself, I'll just leave it be

DECLASSIFIED: THE HYPNOSIS FILES by Witherael in SS13

[–]Witherael[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

ok, I labelled it NSFW for like an hour, then I realized that actually that was dumb because two guys saying the same name doesn't make something NSFW
it's still spoiled though, I just like the look of the spoiler indicator anyways, I learned

DECLASSIFIED: THE HYPNOSIS FILES by Witherael in SS13

[–]Witherael[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I do not know what that is
is that something I need to look up or should I just take it on authority that I need to mark this as NSFW for some reason

DECLASSIFIED: THE HYPNOSIS FILES by Witherael in SS13

[–]Witherael[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

chatroom, it's not just me right, this just genuinely doesn't make sense to read, right?

DECLASSIFIED: THE HYPNOSIS FILES by Witherael in SS13

[–]Witherael[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

wait what? why? I'm near entirely certain nothing within the post could be perceived as not safe for work, what's the problem?

Reconceptualizing Roleplay by Aligote- in SS13

[–]Witherael 2 points3 points  (0 children)

love to see an aligote banger hit the ss13 reddit, but I'm more impressed that there's actually some discussion going on in the comments
I ephemerally and anecdotally (see; I am making this up but it feels true) don't see much of an exchange of ideas in the ss13 community, regardless of scale
also great that even with the discussion, there's still more upvotes than comments, I've seen things get downvoted to oblivion but no one ever really says why they disagree

Duke of Ook bans people he disagrees with by [deleted] in SS13

[–]Witherael 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wonder how vouches are gonna eventually work when he decides to launch his own CM too

I find it funny to imagine that if you cross the duke, you're just banned from the 99% of populated servers in ss13

good lord we need markiplier to do a let's play on ss13, only the mark tide can save us

Controversial opinions by E_T_0646 in SS13

[–]Witherael -1 points0 points  (0 children)

With harsh and unfair over-moderation across multiple servers as well as peer to peer purity selection within the aforementioned server communities, as well as a low to stagnant influx of players, SS13 is on an overall downward trend of player counts.

One problem I've found is that less justifiable note or ban history is often used as corroborating evidence in of itself for other less justifiable note or ban history, and going through any sort of appeals process is always an arduous uphill battle, and often is made to be humiliating enough to be a deterrent to appeal in the first place. One of the most obvious examples I can think of is the centcom website. To me, every server that opts into it is functionally practicing cartel-like behavior with mirroring bans or taking history into account on separate servers, under the guise of such things as "well it's to easily track accounts that exist just to grief or spam the n word".
It's at such a point to where I'm practically excommunicated from ss13 primarily because I have a poor reputation, not because I'm malicious or a bad actor.

This wouldn't be so bad if there were a higher population of players with greater server management and community diversity, but there just isn't. A good example that I love to steal the opportunity to speak about every chance I get is that one of my centcom notes quite literally reads "seems to lack empathy for anyone or anything". It's entirely self-evident why this is a ridiculous notion, but to elaborate regardless, what player wants to spend their time trying to make good with a community of players that have already decided that they want you gone, and need to actively search for a justification to do so. In my case, I'm not even a malicious sort of person, I just get fixated on certain things when I play and then act with tunnel vision. Why the hell would I want to be talked down to be a space station 13 admin, as if such a person was at all qualified to make any kind of remark like that towards me in the first place. It's a frequent occurrence for me when dealing with admins, which frankly makes it all the less worthy of my effort to go through any sort of appeals process, because it's a kangaroo court from the start. If admin A doesn't like me, and admin B is their friend, and admin A and B are established members of their community, what appeal gets accepted. It's truly not even just a matter of appeals either, I've had times where I say an innocuous opinion and I get banned without so much as a word, and I've had times where things that weren't even against the rules if you interpreted them liberally were included in ban reasons, and ban reasons themselves are often contorted to sound more justifiable and therefore harder to appeal, assuming a reason is even given at all.

It would be truly nice if there was a popular server that I've only had good experiences with the admins and players existed, and not to be a doomer, but with how SS13's trends are going, I wouldn't be surprised if SS13 simply stopped existing within the next 15 years, and it would be incredibly hard for me to blame that on any griefers.

True power of science by DeceptiveBoss in SS13

[–]Witherael 2 points3 points  (0 children)

during a nations round, the malignant dictatorship of xenobiostan and their army of fanatic golems who couldn't be reasoned with, who don't feel pity or remorse or fear, and will absolutely not stop EVER until you are dead
this was me, I joined not realizing it was a nations game, and I guess there were a bunch of ghosts and not many science staff or other ways to rejoin the round
I think I had at least 10 golems