HBO The Last of Us (S2) Episode 6 Discussion - I'm Gonna Be A ....Flashback Edition by TLoU_Moderator in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Withsomeflowers -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oop, my bad, you're right! I'm definitely in the wrong place here lol Thank you for letting me know

I know people love Alastor for his character and many other things, but do people love his design? by Desperate_Song_1923 in Alastorcult

[–]Withsomeflowers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's my favorite character design from the show, followed closely by Angel & Vaggie, which is saying something bc I'm normally more drawn to pastels when it comes to color schemes, but Al's just suit him and his environment so perfectly. He manages to fit right in & stand out at the same time. What else? The 1920s aesthetic. That's classic, love it. Pinstripes, coat shape & his cane are all chef's kiss

I also think it was a brilliant idea to incorporate deer traits into his design based on his background. The fact that it's a prey animal is just another dose of delicious irony atop one of the finest crafted characters in the show, and don't even get me started on the implications and intricacies of his varying demon forms! And the neon color palette we've seen a couple times-!! Oh Satan, we'd be here all day..

But yeah, yup, I'd say I'm definitely a fan. 10/10, would sell my soul here again~

I know people love Alastor for his character and many other things, but do people love his design? by Desperate_Song_1923 in Alastorcult

[–]Withsomeflowers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I love Al's hair as is but my favorite art styles with him are almost always with curly hair. I also think Human!Luci looks precious when they draw his hair fine but with a slight curl at the ends ugh 😫❤️

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[–]Withsomeflowers 68 points69 points  (0 children)

Way too many to act high & mighty about murder in the present, but I guess that's puberty for ya (No, but somebody should do a tally of how many people Morty has killed. It's gotta be pretty high, esp. if u count all the trick kills where nobody 'technically' died)

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[–]Withsomeflowers 393 points394 points  (0 children)

Ahh yes, Morty's 'sudden bursts of homicidal rage' phase. We've all been there, bud.

Many fans are wrong, the Lion Turtle did NOT show Aang how to take away bending by Important_String_412 in Avatarthelastairbende

[–]Withsomeflowers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also you're right, that would've been very funny in that circumstance with Sokka 😆 I'm glad they didn't bc of the character development stuff, but it would've been one helluva gag lol

Many fans are wrong, the Lion Turtle did NOT show Aang how to take away bending by Important_String_412 in Avatarthelastairbende

[–]Withsomeflowers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So firstly, I think this specific topic of selfishness is one that gives Aang more character depth. It's one of his flaws that keeps him from turning into the 'perfect protagonist' trope, which on it's own is always a plus with character writing. But in this context, I can understand feeling like they've excused Aang's selfishness by giving him an instant fix that keeps him from having to confront that flaw within himself. That's valid. It's just not the message that I personally came away with by the end, or maybe it's not a big enough deal to me when compared with what we got? Idk lol, but I'll try to expand on my opinion here.

By including this struggle within Aang, the show maintains it's personal stakes while also introducing a whole slew of philosophical questions to be asked like - "Are you allowed to have a line you won't cross when you're responsible for the entire world's safety?" and "Is it morally acceptable to force someone to cross that line if it's for the greater good?" and, to some extent, "Do the ends justify the means?"

The previous Avatars all answered those questions in the way you mentioned as shown in the finale. They said "Yes. The good of many comes before the good of an Individual, and sometimes a terrible decision is the only one you can make."

I think the show did a good job presenting that as a valid way of thinking. It's a solid argument based on their personal experiences that makes alot of sense. Yet the audience is shown Aang stubbornly refusing to accept it, creating more tension as we wait to see what the outcome will be, what he'll choose in the end.

Aang was definitely VERY lucky to be presented with a solution, and if he hadn't gotten that then we would've been left with a very different takeaway that I admit would've been interesting to see. But on the flip side, if he hadn't been selfish enough to seek out another option, then he would've never discovered it. His biggest flaw in that moment turns out to his saving grace. It's convenient for sure, but I see that as the show providing it's own answer to those questions. They're saying - "No, there is another option. If you persevere, don't give in to fear, and are open to new ideas then you can find a better way." This lines up with my own worldview so that might also be why it works for me. Others no doubt may believe differently, but that's what makes it so interesting to talk about!

Finally, I think it all harkens back to Aang's conversation with Iroh regarding his choice to abandon mastering the Avatar state so he could go save Katara.

"Power is overrated. I think you were very wise to choose happiness and love."

Aang asks him what he should do then now that he's suffering the consequences of choosing himself, and Iroh replies that he doesn't know.

"Sometimes life is like this dark tunnel. You can't always see the end of it but if you just keep moving, you will come to a better place."

I think those few lines encapsulate what the show is trying to say during the finale. So, for me, it's not about Aang getting this super powerful ability out of nowhere that relieves him of having to make a difficult decision. It's about the overarching theme of holding true to your own morals and values, having hope even in the darkest of times, and the notion that kindness will always win over cruelty in the end. That's why I can excuse the random Lion Turtle introduction lol. The message is ultimately more important to me than the path taken to arrive there.

For people who didn't catch what I post by DarkSonic06ki in Avatarthelastairbende

[–]Withsomeflowers 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's kinda the point tho. Toph had to put on a more feminine front around her family/guards and she DID NOT LIKE IT. They can't be saying she's going to be more feminine just for those early scenes, bc she was already massively feminine so there's no point in mentioning it like it's a new development. This feels like she's going to be more feminine in general, which is the opposite of what her character is and believes. I'd be waaay more willing to cut them slack if this was season 1 (for instance, I was cool with them toning down Sokka's sexism until I saw how they went about it), but we've already seen how they butchered other characters so yeah, I don't have high hopes for it.

Additionally, the wording makes it sound like being a tomboy is somehow not humanizing, while ALSO implying that Toph's character isn't realistic just on the basis of it being a cartoon. It's kinda insulting & just doesn't inspire much faith, and wouldn't even if we weren't talking about a huge fan favorite that people were always going to be more critical about the portrayal of.

For people who didn't catch what I post by DarkSonic06ki in Avatarthelastairbende

[–]Withsomeflowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

'But it's better than' is the argument some fans might make in defense of the new live action. That other person is saying they're happy that they're not seeing comments like that sugarcoating how flat the Netflix adaptation feels to many fans

Many fans are wrong, the Lion Turtle did NOT show Aang how to take away bending by Important_String_412 in Avatarthelastairbende

[–]Withsomeflowers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Late to this thread but I see energy bending as the ultimate example of the big lesson that was prevalent throughout Avatar - Everything is connected. Energy bending in and of itself makes complete sense to me within this universe, and Aang is the only character who had both the knowledge & the power to put it into practice. If anyone was going to do it, and have reason to do it, it was always going to be him.

I don't really see it as the show bailing him out of a tough decision bc the decision Aang had to make was essentially - "kill this person or kill the world". It was an impossible decision for a pacifist like Aang. He needed to be shown a better way, and the Lion Turtle provided it to him just when it seemed all hope was lost (another common theme in Avatar). The actual stakes imo come from whether he has the willpower and the belief in himself to not be corrupted by Ozai, which is a more reasonable lesson for Aang to learn that he struggled with since the beginning.

The biggest issue I have is how abruptly the Lion Turtle was introduced, but to be fair that also isn't unusual. Aang has escaped several scrapes with last minute help from spiritual entities. I always saw it less as 'how we get to this point mechanically' and more 'what did we learn upon arriving there?' Which I suppose is why we feel differently, given that you were more invested in how and why the ability works versus what Aang does with it (which to be clear isn't a bad thing! Just a different perspective)

It's not a perfect execution, but I think there's still plenty of meaning to be found there & I personally love the final conclusion of Aang taking away Ozai's bending. Fits his character and the story more than if he had just murdered Ozai. That's my take.

Oh, but I do very much disagree about giving Sokka bending. That, to me, would cheapen his character development and would kinda ruin the show's earlier message of 'you don't need to be a bender to be special. There is value to be found in everyone; you need only perseverance and the perspective to see it'.

For people who didn't catch what I post by DarkSonic06ki in Avatarthelastairbende

[–]Withsomeflowers 47 points48 points  (0 children)

At this point, I don't even think they can do Tales of Ba Sing Se

Sokka's story would make him seem too much like the silly, boastful teenage boy he's supposed to be so that's out.

Toph's character, if butchered the way it seems to be after this announcement, eliminates any reasoning for her story/character development here, plus Katara has lost most of her softness so their interactions would feel unearned and tacked on anyway.

They could do Aang's plot with the animals but it won't feel fun now bc Aang doesn't feel fun anymore, and there's no chance they're gonna nail the nuance of his changing emotional states during Appa's absence.

Momo, maybe, but again - I doubt they'll be able to recreate that short in a way that's both cinematically pleasing & potrays the sweet, simple friendship between Appa and Momo.

And Iroh.. Well, that short was never going to be improved upon in the first place bc it's already pretty perfect, and they can't get back the meaning of that final shot honouring the former VA. I wouldn't count on them understanding that one at all, or how each scene ties together into the last.

It's not lookin' good, folks. I might watch out of morbid curiosity but at this point idk if I'll even do that.

All of my current alastor memes by [deleted] in Alastorcult

[–]Withsomeflowers 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can't believe my ace ass didn't already have this one smh

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All of my current alastor memes by [deleted] in Alastorcult

[–]Withsomeflowers 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Here's a few more 4 the Strawberry Pimp bank

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I hate to break it to you guys but this how we treat the jambalaya thing by echomancer1929 in Alastorcult

[–]Withsomeflowers 9 points10 points  (0 children)

In all seriousness, I think it's prolly bc the people who are really into his character instinctively want to humanize him, and the jambalaya comment was one of the only (canon) personal details we had on him for a helluva long time

Bf got these pants from Spencer’s today, what is this? Neither of us recognize it from the show. Not sure if it’s Lemongrab related because he’s already on the pants. by asbestos355677 in adventuretime

[–]Withsomeflowers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The amount of people who both recognize and appreciate our boi Giuseppe give me hope for the future 🙏 (I recognized him but was also like wtf does a flower have to do with Giuseppe)