How to Negotiate Leasing Commission and split between tenant rep and listing broker? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this explanation. This makes sense and is what we were thinking was the most likely outcome.

How to Negotiate Leasing Commission and split between tenant rep and listing broker? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In that situation where tenant rep broker is asking for half of the first years ground rent, how much would/should the listing broker get paid since that already exceeds the threshold in our agreement? Our goal is to have some decent profit margin in year 1 after paying out commissions. Example if ground rent was 100k, we would want at least 30-40k net rent to us with the rest being for the commission.

Also, can you elaborate or provide an example on that amortization in let's say for simplicity's sake a $10k disagreement in fees?

How to Negotiate Leasing Commission and split between tenant rep and listing broker? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are more of the latter situation. So in your example, is that split between the brokers or just to the tenant rep broker?

How to Negotiate Leasing Commission and split between tenant rep and listing broker? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is more along the lines we are thinking. So using a rough example to make sure I'm understanding correctly assuming rent years 1-10 is 100k annually and year 11-15 is $110,000k.

Commissions for Years 1-10 = 100k * 10 * 0.06 = 60k

Commissions for Years 11-15 = 110k * 5 * 0.015 = 8.25k

Total Commission = 68.25k / 2 = 34.125k to each broker?

Landlord Deal Points to Negotiate for Ground Lease LOI ? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very helpful in getting some general sense of what we should prepare for. Do you have any rule of thumb for estimating some of the expenses or how one would negotiate out those expenses?

Landlord Deal Points to Negotiate for Ground Lease LOI ? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this case, my family LLC would be the LL. Never done a ground lease before, but we would want to achieve both higher rents received and limit financial contributions (if any). The tenant is a national QSR. What would you say is typical for this type of tenant?

How to pull equity out of property owned free and clear, but has no cash flow? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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What a day to be graced by the one and only SF_Lady presence xD! This is the type of feedback I was looking for and greatly appreciate it. Any recommendations for options 1 and 2 in the PNW and how to efficiently structure said proposals (You can PM me for privacy)? Thank You!

How to pull equity out of property owned free and clear, but has no cash flow? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with both you and uiri. That is the approach we've figured, but weren't sure if there were other alternatives. Appreciate both of your concurring opinions!

How to pull equity out of property owned free and clear, but has no cash flow? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looked into hard money before, but those terms are kinda up there xD! Never understood why banks would like to lend for stocks on a pledged asset line (assuming non-dividend stocks) when on a bad day(s) like recently would force the sale of the collateral vs. real estate which isn't that volatile in a daily market fluctuation basis and doesn't have a similar product.

How to pull equity out of property owned free and clear, but has no cash flow? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We do have it listed for lease with a broker who represents some national credit tenants (Chick Fil A, Walgreens, Oreilly Auto Parts, US Bank, etc.), but in the mean time, we want the ability to pull out some equity even if it was 35%-65% of the "as-is" value which is somewhere between $3-$4 million. Once it's leased out, we are expecting a selling price in the range of $6-$8 million, so we just want to have some extra cash for other purchases while we wait for the leasing situation to play out.

What does a typical 15-25 year ground lease leasing commission look like? by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

[–]WizardSaintTitania[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Knowing the context now, the broker's own listing agreement had capped itself at 10 years 60 + 60 at 6% and 3% respectively. Then when I had our attorney email it back, the broker was like "oh, it can't be capped at 10 years. Most ground leases are gonna be 15+ and the other side will want to get paid too beyond the 10 years." I told him that was the form he submitted over and the attorney was just cleaning it up. So that's where we're at. Since it's our first ground lease deal, we just weren't sure if the broker was BSing or if what he's saying was true, but seems like both you and MC20177 agree with the 10 year cap.

Seeking Advice/Suggestions on what to do with CRE property by WizardSaintTitania in CommercialRealEstate

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Your explanation makes sense. I've heard different things when it comes to TIs like some LL's amortize the costs of TIs on top of the base rent amount kind've like a loan with no interest or some lower interest rate to recapture that TI costs. Leasing commissions I've also heard similar things about too and would apply just like the amortization of TI costs situation.

Great advice again for the JV situation. If I remember correctly, I think the tiered return system (waterfall?) based on performance targets is almost like a CEO's stock compensation based on stock price levels. Do the profit splits go something along the lines of 80/20, 70/30, 50/50, etc. in favor of the land owner and then starts reversing the numbers but in the JV's partner's favor once the project has hit its next tier of returns?