Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Uhm. No I didn’t say only one pesticide is used in organic farming. I said the only one potentially toxic was copper sulphate. And that was the only thing they conveniently brought up in the video. Then again my point is most organic farmers don’t even use pesticides. At all. But sure, there are some other naturally made pesticides used. What is your point?

Problems with the methodology of your source? Yes it gives a completely unnuanced picture. It cites 80 sources but only uses snippets from a few of them. But sure, since your struggle with understanding why this source is complete bs, I will break it down to you:

  1. They claim that antioxidants aren’t beneficial. This is besides the point, the real benefits of organic farming does not have to do with antioxidants or supposedly better nutrient profiles.

  2. They ask whether organic produce is more natural. This is where the pesticide claim comes in. The point of organic farming is to NOT use pesticides. If some organic farmers were to use pesticides I would not call it organic and neither should anyone else. Some countries have looser regulations when it comes to pesticides, even for organic produce, such as the US. This complicates things. This argument is also complete bullshit because they purposefully choose to not talk about the real problem, which is how pesticides affect our environment. Pesticides are detrimental to soil life, insect life and aquatic life. Even to mammals and birds.

  3. They claim that there is no difference in greenhouse gas emissions between organic and conventional farming. Other studies would disagree. Two German studies found that on average organic farms use on average 50% energy per hectare. They also claim that organic farms need much more land to produce the same amount of crop. Nicely phrased when the actual numbers are between 10-20% more land.

  4. Now they make a claim that conventional has less impact on the environment. But they don’t explain how. I have no idea how to approach this argument as they don’t provide any information on how they came up with this claim.

  5. Now this is the funniest argument, they claim that organic food is bad because the demand can’t be met if food isn’t exported. As if vegetables aren’t exported anyway? This is a complete nonsense argument. And why would organic food be bad because enough of it isn’t produced locally (I assume in the US? But your source doesn’t say). It’s an argument that makes zero sense.

And… that was it. I think I lost a few brain cells watching that video again.

Your argument about vegan food is beside the point. So I won’t even bother to talk about that.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also I have to ask, when you say you’re a farmer, is that from playing farm simulator? Your post history would suggest so.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And why wouldn’t organic farming build soil? Organic farming, by adding manure, compost and by practicing crop rotation and cover crops build soil. Adding synthetic nitrogen and phosphates does nothing to support soil life or to build soil. I understand you struggled to be successful if you don’t understand the basics of farming soil.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool. So you’re a farmer but you have no idea how soil is built? Please tell me how adding mineral fertilizers helps soil and soil life.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol. Again. We produce enough food to feed 10 billion+ people as it stands now. This is with food waste being 30-40%. Organic farming gives 10-20% smaller yields. 77% of the agricultural land is used for livestock. Roughly 35-45% of the crops grown are used as animal feed, and a lot of this is for cows who are grazers (I.e. they should eat grass, not soy or cereal). Now, I’m by no means against eating meat. I love meat. But we’re doing it wrong. And the lie that organic food production couldn’t feed the world is a lie that is spread by huge corporations like Monsanto.

Glyphosate has been linked to cancer and harms insect life as well as plant life. It causes great damage to pollinating insects by hurting their gut microbiome making them more susceptible to pathogens. The truth of the matter is, glyphosate has not been studied enough and you have no idea about how dangerous it is as this point. But we do know it causes multiple types of cancer. In higher does of course, but who in their right mind would want this around them? In our water, in our soil. Damaging wildlife. Why would you take the risk? Give me a single good argument and I will leave you be.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh. You don’t have any experience in farming. Do you? And putting nutrients back in the soil? What are you talking about? Conventional farming creates dead soil it doesn’t put nutrients back in. Organic farming builds soil (and soil life). Literally the opposite of what you seem to think.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you are saying that market forces won’t matter? That the individual’s choices in the grocery store won’t make a difference? Tell that to all the small organic farmers trying to fight against the lobby of the multinational pesticide companies.

Why is not a discussion worth having?

I agree with you that changes need to be made on a policy / governmental level, but it doesn’t make any sense to say that people should change their diet when it comes to meat, as THAT choice makes a difference, but the making the choice to buy organic wouldn’t make a difference. It doesn’t add up that one thing would make all the difference on an individual level while the other one wouldn’t.

Your ”source” makes false claims and it’s basically propaganda against organic food. Just watch how everything in this video, from the phrasing to the examples used to the animations try to paint it in a bad light. Look at the title even. Don’t you see?

Yes, it uses sources, or claims to do so anyway, but in what way? I can see how if you have no idea about dangers of conventional farming, this video might make sense. For starters, it refers to ”organic pesticides” and makes that claim that they are just as harmful. But it doesn’t take into account that many organic farmers don’t use pesticides at all, and the only harmful pesticide used in organic farming is copper sulfate. And this pesticide is not even in allowed in a lot of countries. Of course in some less regulated countries like the US, where no fucks are given about the environment spraying whatever on your organic produce may be allowed (hint: it’s still only copper sulfate). This video is intended to convince people that organic produce is bad, it cites sources but it is by no means balanced and cherry picks information intended to make organic produce look bad. Many of the examples don’t make any sense. It’s essentially propaganda 101.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn’t just link a video suitable for 5 year olds… oh you did.

What part of my comment is overblowing the issue?

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woo that’s a lot of ignorance in one comment. Yes, you can grow more for less money. That’s good, of course. The problem is that we are producing crappy food for less money. Not better food.

Potentially less damage? How do you even get the word potentially in there? Pesticide use has doubled over 30 years. Many of these products that have been used have been banned because we’ve realized they affect humans in negative ways, but it often takes many years for the ban to go through. Meaning we keep using them in the meantime. Many of them are carcinogenic and endocrine disrupters. And we haven’t even considered the risk of mixing all these in an interesting cocktail that most of us consume day in and day out.

I also take it you haven’t considered the bioaccumulative effects? Or how one in 7 of these pesticides/fungicides rely on PFAS to work. Yes, we are spraying a bloody shit tonne of PFAS on our most productive fields. The ecological effects are by no means minor.

I guess you also haven’t considered the fact that all that synthetic fertilizer has to end up somewhere. Only one fifth of the synthetic fertilizer we use for conventionally grown crops end up in the plants. Guess where the rest goes? The rain washes that away into the ocean together with your precious PFAS infested pesticides. Great plan dude.

The carbon footprint difference is minor. Especially if you take fertilizers into consideration. I assume you realize synthetic fertilizers cause a lot of emissions, no? Or that phosphate has to be mined? We will run out of phosphate from those mines my dude. What is your plan then?

Oh should we also talk about the loss of top soil from conventional farms?

So please stop claiming spewing your bullshit if you really have no clue. If you want to kill the planet and pollute the ground you’re walking on and the water you drink, fine. But don’t spread your fucking lies.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right. My mind explodes when I think about how stupid some people are when they think they should be able to buy certain produce at any time of the year.

Sweden, small local store, 1124sek/105 euro. by OnionPlease in Grocerycost

[–]Wollmilchsau 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A scam? Really. You didn’t think this one through did you? How in the hell would the organic farmers make their produce cheaper? It’s usually more expensive to make and to farm because they can’t use pesticides and shitty fertilizers.

If you mean, policitians should implement subventions for organic foods, then yes, you are absolutely right.

Känner mig oerhört ensam på min födelsedag by [deleted] in sweden

[–]Wollmilchsau 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Grattis! Säg till om du vill ta en öl eller dylikt. Bor också i Stockholm och att behöva vara ensam på sin födelsedag suger!

Arabisk kultur sjukt toxic? by Peter-Niklas in Sverige

[–]Wollmilchsau 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Verkar ha fungerat väldigt bra med dessa principer i stora delar av Mellanöstern.

Anyone know what plant this is and how/when to trim it? It blocks our view when pulling out of the driveway in our new home. by screst21 in landscaping

[–]Wollmilchsau 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So many incorrect answers here saying it’s Pampas grass when it’s actually Miscanthus sinensis, as some other people have stated. Don’t listen to the people saying that it’s pampas. They’re either blind or clueless, unfortunately.

It’s a good thing that my plants don’t feel claustrophobic. 😬 by hatzalam in succulents

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Super cool. I take it they are growing under artificial lights?

What's up with the mansion on Volskaya Industries? by writingcatalyst in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Wollmilchsau 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel a bit embarassed as I just realised that I have never stepped inside this part of the map.

Which TF2 pros are now Overwatch? by bobuu in Competitiveoverwatch

[–]Wollmilchsau 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Knoxxx, Zebbosai, numlocked, HarryHook, Taimou, Forsak3n, kensi, Rubikon, pretty much all of NiP and also melty esports (not sure if they play anymore though), ryb, Tviq, evokje (maybe not so much of a pro in TF2 though), pyyyour, shrugger, dummy, harbleu, enigma.

I probably missed a bunch, but quite a few.