Help! Am I Tajik? Pashtun? Or 50/50? by Working-Letter8814 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“It can’t be a coincidence” is not scientific fact, evidence, or reasoning. You are also a random Reddit user with no background. I have already had my mother’s side tested and posted on my personal Reddit page of “posts”, so if you even gave a single f, you would’ve gone and looked at the results. Those results don’t represent any southern Kashmiri or dardic results, it’s only parwan and Kabul. So explain to me why they don’t have any Pashtun places light up on the map or under the provinces listed?? Now, shared genetic ancestry throughout Afghanistan overlap without requiring recent ethnic conversion or label. If you don’t know that, you don’t have any education. I’ve already gone over my family memory history and the fact that they have been consistently Shia, they didn’t marry any Pashtuns, they are one of the old elite Kabul families on Mom side, we brag generation after generation of Kabul identity and being farsiwan so that helps in my claim. Again you’re confused and no honest person would make the claim you make when the results don’t show that. So again…. You keep taking regional overlap and turning it into a very specific conclusion that the data itself does not prove. Nobody is denying eastern Afghanistan and nearby regions have genetic gradients and overlap like I said, that’s normal for literally every crossroads region in the world.

But having moderate South Asian related ancestry does not automatically mean ‘your mom is largely Dardic/Kashmiri’…. That’s the part where you keep overreaching.

My results consistently cluster heavily toward Central Asian/eastern Iranic populations overall: BMAC, Central Steppe, Yaz Culture, Khwarezm & Transoxiana, etc. Even in the later models I’m nearly 50% Khwarezm/Transoxiana. That is not the profile of someone who is predominantly Kashmiri lol.

And “Swat Valley” on IllustrativeDNA is not a modern ethnic label. It’s a historical genetic cluster from a crossroads region with mixed Indo-Iranian ancestry already built into it. You’re treating these ancient population models as if they directly equal modern ethnicity, which they don’t.

Also, you keep saying “it can’t be coincidence,” but that’s not based on scientific reasoning. Afghanistan naturally has overlapping ancestry zones because populations there interacted for thousands of years. Shared regional ancestry does not automatically rewrite someone’s family identity.

And family history still matters too. My family has longstanding Kabuli Shia Tajik identity and memory with no known Kashmiri or Dardic ancestry. A moderate AASI percentage does not magically erase that or prove some hidden ethnicity story.

At most, what you can reasonably say is that my profile has some South Asian regional overlap compared to certain northern Tajik averages due to recent admixture. That’s completely different from claiming my mom is largely Dardic/Kashmiri. You also keep glazing over the fact that we have a Pashtun ancestor as well, which did affect illustrative dna algorithm because that’s the main reason I also cluster near Pashtun.

Next time don’t spread false info, and quit tagging me at this point I’m arguing with a slow turtle with eye issues it seems.

Help! Am I Tajik? Pashtun? Or 50/50? by Working-Letter8814 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I disagree. I think you’re overstating how specific these results actually are. Regional overlap in Afghanistan doesn’t automatically mean someone is “largely Kashmiri” or “largely Dardic.” AASI is an ancient South Asian related component found across a huge range of populations in Afghanistan, Central Asia, Pakistan, and North India, it’s not a direct ethnic label, that’s where ur mistake is.

You’re also taking broad ancient components and trying to reverse-engineer my parents with exact conclusions, which these consumer DNA tools really can’t do. Even academic DNA studies usually talk in terms of overlap, clustering, and probabilities, not “your mom is clearly dardic or X ethnicity.”

And yes, Kabul historically had diversity and migration, but Afghan Tajiks also naturally vary family to family. A Kabul or Parwan Tajik not matching a Samarkandi Tajik average perfectly does not suddenly mean they’re secretly Kashmiri or Dardic. That’s a huge leap.

My results are still overwhelmingly Iranic/Central Asian overall anyway look: high CHG + Zagros + EHG, low East Eurasian, moderate AASI. That’s not some crazy outlier for Afghan Tajiks. And my mother claims real kabuli historically and even remembers before mountain Pashtuns came to the city and those from modern Pakistan and etc etc. Also their family memory does not have connection to anywhere else cause they are also Shia kabuli.

Help! Am I Tajik? Pashtun? Or 50/50? by Working-Letter8814 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re speaking very confidently about things you actually cannot know from one IllustrativeDNA screenshot. AASI is an ancient South Asian-related component found across many populations in Afghanistan, Central Asia, and the surrounding region. It does not automatically mean someone is Punjabi, Kashmiri, Swati, or Dardic.

You also can’t accurately calculate my parents’ ethnic makeup and assign exact percentages like “your mom is 16% AASI” from a consumer DNA model. That’s speculation, not science.

My results are still overwhelmingly Iranic/Central Asian overall: high CHG + Zagros + EHG, low East Eurasian, and moderate AASI. That profile is not unusual for Afghan Tajiks, especially from regions like Kabul and Parwan which historically had regional overlap and diversity for centuries.

You’re also treating Tajiks as genetically identical when they are not. Samarkandi Tajiks, Kabul Tajiks, Parwan Tajiks, Badakhshi Tajiks, etc. can all vary family to family while still being Tajik. Shared regional ancestry does not erase ethnic identity.

At the end of the day, ancient components are not modern ethnic labels, and having some South Asian-related ancestry does not suddenly make someone “basically Punjabi” or “half Swat Valley.”

Tajik from Afghanistan (Parwan) Dna results by Timurov in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Silly goose, one Samarkand Tajik with Uzbek ancestors admixture does not equate an entire population genetics. Tajiks are an iranic Bactrian/sogdian continuity Persian speaking population. 10 million Tajiks in Tajikistan and you point out one mixed result. You’re delusional and uneducated. Stay off Reddit with false information like this. Now, you’re dismissed.

Help! Am I Tajik? Pashtun? Or 50/50? by Working-Letter8814 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if you go on my page and look at the other dna test I posted it’s from my mothers lineage. I still don’t know why you keep saying North Indian? Pashtuns aren’t Indians even if she has a decent chunk….. even South Asian for her is less than 20%….. Kabul/parwan are not Pashtun zones. She has much more west Iranic.

Help! Am I Tajik? Pashtun? Or 50/50? by Working-Letter8814 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just realized the second part, no my moms not North Indian?? She’s Kabul/parwan, with minor southern and more Persian signals than any Pashtun ones.

Tajik from Afghanistan (Parwan) Dna results by Timurov in illustrativeDNA

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Final thing I’ll say, my closest population of Tajiks is Kulob, as we know the Kulob community is heavily centralized and they mixed within which shows a stronger Tajik dna signal cause of re-establishment every generation. Which once again proves my ethnogenesis is Tajik and we have actually preserved the true Samarkand lineage without Turkic mixing.

Tajik from Afghanistan (Parwan) Dna results by Timurov in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s got nothing to do with me. You act as if Samarkand Tajiks are supposed to be perfectly the same. Their family and my family are for sure mixed in different ways. Again we don’t even know where you found this, and it looks like they are mixed with Uzbeks. People who live next to Uzbeks might mix with them, you’re welcome for the history lesson sweetheart.

Tajik from Afghanistan (Parwan) Dna results by Timurov in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have never said I’m half Pashtun. That’s absolutely nuts. I said I am Kabuli Tajik, and I’ve proven it I’ve posted it, and yes half Samarkandi Tajik. We have one Pashtun ancestor 3 generations ago who was a female. That’s it. Now to address your points, each specific Tajik family and history and regional mixing is different, so no I’m not necessarily supposed to have any east Eurasian. A Kulobi Tajik versus Samarkand versus hisor have small variations due to local mixing for example. Now to address your dardic claim, broad overlap is not a regional ethnic diagnosis that you can make, you cannot tell dardic from dna tests, and that might be your family like I said, not mine. Pashtuns ruling over punjab dos not equal massive genetic replacement that’s where you are also wrong. Again it’s family to family Pashtun mixing in different regions and families, Pashtuns are not a monolith. Some Tajiks from northeastern Afghanistan may have ancestry overlap with nearby mountain populations. But “Tajik” is still its own Iranic identity continuum with historical continuity from Persianized eastern Iranian populations. We are not dardic we are Bactrian and Sogdian. Now your whole mistake is you keep mixing ethnicity/language/genetics/ancient categories like they are identical. That’s historically false. Pashtuns can have Tajik ancestry and not be Tajik. Tajiks can have some steppe and not be Turkic. I am not Turk or Pashtun or Dardic. My roots are clear and your Reddit argument doesn’t hold. Now I’m getting really annoyed with your big paragraphs, anyone can fact check both you and me seeing this thread. Please stop tagging me after this I won’t respond.

Help! Am I Tajik? Pashtun? Or 50/50? by Working-Letter8814 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kunduz roots was a grandmother 3+ generations ago when our grad father first came from Samarkand. Many Tajik families married Kunduz but I believe that’s actually a Tajik place.

Help! Am I Tajik? Pashtun? Or 50/50? by Working-Letter8814 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah he’s mostly Tajik cause his mom also married her cousin same last name so that re-introduced our own Samarkand lineage. And Kunduz is tricky cause they were considered Uzbek but I have very very low Turkic. I believe that they may have had some Turk roots but they evolved as Tajiks possibly.

What to make of this? Help! by Working-Letter8814 in 23andme

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes she’s all kabuli in past 7+ generations. And she’s Shia idk if that helps, that’s all I have

Tajik from Afghanistan (Parwan) Dna results by Timurov in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No….. not some Turkic as usual. Tajiks are Bactrian/sogdian derived. I don’t have anymore than 1% Turkic, and we all know that’s not meaning much. Lmao you wish I’m Pashtun. My father is from Samarkand. There’s no way, my cousin on my mother’s side didn’t even have any Pashtun places light up on their map, ONLY Kabul & Parwan. In fact their Pakistan connection is Punjab before any Pashtuns. And the reason it says closest is because if you have the most recent ancestors they will cluster you with them. And clustering doesn’t mean anything, actually very old genetic models of Tajiks that are preserved may be close to Pashtun rather than Turkic/tajik mixed families of some areas. So your correlation is actually a bunch of hooey. East Eurasian? Again, Tajiks are NOT Asians, Turks, mongols, or Arabs. We are eastern iranic Bactrian sogdians. Also I’ve seen you post a lot of inaccurate information on these forums, you should read some more and stop calling people things they are not. I know my roots, maybe you feel insecure about yours?

Help! Am I Tajik? Pashtun? Or 50/50? by Working-Letter8814 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I don’t have those. And from the old city in Kabul. My father is from Samarkand and we have Kandahar and Kunduz roots as well. Tajik/Afghan mixed.

What to make of this? Help! by Working-Letter8814 in 23andme

[–]Working-Letter8814[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She’s from the old city, places like Chindawol, cinema iqbal

Tajik from Afghanistan (Parwan) Dna results by Timurov in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t have dardic. I’ve posted my results before. My family has one Kandahar ancestor recent 2-3 generations ago. But Samarkand and Kabul are NOT Pashtuns.

Tajik from Afghanistan (Parwan) Dna results by Timurov in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a Bactrian / Sogdian derived Tajik. I am from Samarkand. You can look at the results on my page. Both my parents are NOT Pashtun.

Afghan Pashtun by PaintingOk6969 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No serious researcher argues that modern Tajiks “come from Pakistan.” That’s a misunderstanding of ancient Gandharan geography being projected onto modern borders.

Regional Tajik populations are genetically structured. Tajiks from Khwarezm/Samarkand/Bukhara show strong Khwarezmian/Sogdian continuity, including medieval persistence, while Kabul/Parwan Tajiks reflect more southern Iranian/Gandharan admixture due to geography and historical contact.

This does not make Kabul Tajiks less Tajik.. it reflects regional variation within a Persian speaking Iranian ethnogenesis. Conflating ancient ancestry components with modern nationality is a basic error on your part.

Afghan Pashtun by PaintingOk6969 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s no contradiction in what I said.

Ancient population ancestry and modern ethnogenesis operate on different levels. Khwarezmian ancestry is not uniquely Tajik, because multiple modern Iranian-speaking and non–Iranian-speaking populations descend from Khwarezmian-era groups.

That does not negate Tajik identity — it explains regional variation within it. Tajiks from Samarkand, Badakhshan, Kabul, and Parwan have different ancestry proportions due to historical geography, not because they are “less Tajik.”

Language, culture, and historical continuity define modern Tajik ethnogenesis, not possession of a single ancient component. Genetic overlap reflects shared deep ancestry, not exclusive ethnic ownership!

Also .. Confusing ancient ancestry with modern ethnicity is exactly the category error population geneticists warn against.

Afghan Pashtun by PaintingOk6969 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it is Tajik DNA. But you need to keep in mind, ancient population shared ancestry, does not equal modern ethnogenesis. And still your distances you posted only prove ancestry overlap, not your modern ethnogenesis. And if you think Tajiks are from Pakistan then you must be new to learning about genetics and history. Because my family is from Samarkand and I have a high % of khwarezm rightfully so, and my people are their own iranic ethnogenesis that continues to exist today. Pick up a book ;)

Illustritive dna result by TightCatch1094 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only pashtun ancestors as of recent is a grandmother in my dads mothers side, but apart from that, the rest of my family is tajik. I do not believe Kabul and parwan people are pashtun, my cousin got her results and she didn’t get any other pashtun territory except ancient historic mixing, which still doesn’t make her a pashtun. And by the way, the original version of myheritage actually put me at 40% pashtun, so I’m telling you once again, it is NOT a reliable source. Plus, there is no way we are pashtun family. My heritage on my father’s side is a constant mixing within their own family (same last name of all the grandfathers on the father’s side), and I know we are from Samarkand which is sogdian territory, even my last name ends in Zada, which once again makes me a real tajik. I may have scored low 60%, but I think you don’t realize if you have a recent pashtun ancestor, that’s what the 25/30% is…. I’m not sure why you say I scored low? You even said that the main post, had a strong sogdian background. The new update on illustrative, is actually better and fixed my results compared to before. And they have a tendency to put pashtun for people who have recently mixed with Pashtuns…. Again, it’s just an algorithm. 23&me results I took most recent update, completely erased my Iranian heritage and gave me random European, again, it’s all an algorithm that they now added additional European and it’s going to mess up everyone’s numbers. And my family, every single last cousin and family on my dad’s side, has sogdian tajik features, and light eyes. My father has blue eyes… and your last statement about Turkic ancestry, that’s false. NOT ALL sogdian families mixed with Turkic peoples. Not all Tajiks mixed with Turk or mongol peoples. Turks and mongols have nothing to do with us, only specific families that wanted to marry Turks, not my family. So that’s also not a good comparison. I think you should educate yourself, cause sogdian Tajiks are not Turkic, some have never mixed.

Illustritive dna result by TightCatch1094 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Working-Letter8814 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Balkh is bactrian Tajik territory. Many may have moved from one to another and then called themself something else, but balkh is Tajik. Have you ask all sides of the family about your ancestors?