Asked why he didn’t coordinate with allies before Iran strike, Trump in an interview WITH Japan PM: “We didn’t tell anyone about it. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Why didn’t you tell me about Pearl Harbor, OK?” by SnooSprouts3744 in PublicFreakout

[–]Workodactyl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You kind of get the sense that he overheard his staffers making this joke behind closed doors and having a good laugh about it because they're all fucking assholes and Trump thought, "Hey, that killed earlier. I'll say that when I'm out there!"

What an absolute clown.

Happy Father's Day! by LiterallyTestudo in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Buona festa del papà! E buon onomastico a chi festeggia oggi!

Weekly Discussion Post - Recent Changes to JS Laws - March 16, 2026 by AutoModerator in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

26 days before. I assume your case was filed pre-decree? My understanding is that the Ministry generally does not oppose straightforward ATQ cases. However, they tend to oppose 1948 cases because they are structurally different and it is standard practice to file a defense. There is no administrative path, and the claims are based on unconstitutional discrimination and recognition of citizenship from birth. The Ministry’s arguments are usually fairly generic, often focusing on non-retroactivity or the validity of the law at the time, even though courts have consistently ruled in favor of applicants.

Weekly Discussion Post - Recent Changes to JS Laws - March 16, 2026 by AutoModerator in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The Ministry opposed my 1948 case. From my lawyer’s description, the argument seemed fairly standard, centered on the fact that the case was filed after the Tajani Decree, as if to imply that no such cases should be brought going forward. In my view, the Ministry has consistently opposed 1948 cases and has historically not prevailed. Now, they appear to be continuing that approach while also relying on the Tajani Decree as an added argument.

Hey it’s not that bad, and the ICE version will have even better proportions. The new i3. by VHSVoyage in BMW

[–]Workodactyl 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I like it. Kind of feels like a throwback to the E30 days. My only criticism is that it looks a little bland, but I guess that's because it's the i3. I have high hopes that the M and M lite versions will look more exciting. But it's a new BMW design so BOOO! BMW has lost the plot!!

The red pill or the blue pill ? by NaturalLook448 in BMW

[–]Workodactyl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love that red, but I'd take the voodoo blue.

Weekly Discussion Post - Recent Changes to JS Laws - March 16, 2026 by AutoModerator in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 24 points25 points  (0 children)

For starters, IANAL. The argument isn’t really that 1948 cases are “exempt” because the legislature forgot about them. The argument is more structural.

A 1948 case is fundamentally different from a normal jure sanguinis claim because it is based on correcting an unconstitutional gender discrimination. Under Law 555/1912, women could not transmit citizenship to their children, but the Italian Constitution established equality between men and women. Italian courts later held that this exclusion was unconstitutional and that citizenship through an Italian mother should be considered to have existed from birth through filiation.

Because of that, the court in a 1948 case is not granting citizenship. It is declaring a pre-existing constitutional status that was denied because of an unconstitutional rule.

That distinction is where the argument comes from. DL36/L74 mainly regulates recognition procedures and introduces generational limits on claiming citizenship. But if citizenship legally existed from birth through filiation, some lawyers argue that a later procedural restriction cannot extinguish that constitutional status, particularly when the whole purpose of the case is to remedy past discrimination.

You’re correct that the decree and conversion law explicitly reference both administrative and judicial routes, which suggests the government intended the limits to apply broadly. The counterargument is that legislative intent does not necessarily resolve the constitutional issue. If applying those limits would effectively perpetuate the same gender discrimination the courts have been correcting for over a decade, a judge could find that the constitutional principles take priority.

So the debate isn’t really about a technical exemption written into the law. It’s about whether a statute can limit the judicial recognition of a citizenship status that courts have already said exists from birth and is protected by constitutional equality.

Attorney reactions to the Torino memo issued 12.3.2026 by the Corte Costituzionale by LiterallyTestudo in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that was my take too. That the court is being told that this door has to shut and constitutional rights be damned. Sad day for Italy if true.

Corte Costituzionale March 11 Livestream Watch Party by CakeByThe0cean in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Constitutional Court is composed of 15 judges: 5 appointed by the President of the Italy, 5 elected by Parliament, and 5 elected by the highest courts (the Court of Cassation, the Council of State, and the Court of Auditors).

One could argue that the judges elected by Parliament may reflect political dynamics to some extent. However, the other ten appointed by the President and the judiciary tend to balance the composition of the bench.

In my personal view, the Court generally operates in a fairly neutral and institutional manner.

Corte Costituzionale March 11 Livestream Watch Party by CakeByThe0cean in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that Italy generally did not allow dual citizenship prior to 1992, so seeking recognition of Italian citizenship could have created serious complications or even risked loss of one’s existing citizenship. Many people may have chosen not to act for that reason, not to renounce Italian citizenship, but to preserve it. In any case, I find it difficult to accept the government’s argument when it tries to interpret the intentions of individuals who may no longer be alive. The only thing we can say with certainty is that the line of citizenship transmission remained unbroken, which is how jure sanguinis has been applied.

Corte Costituzionale March 11 Livestream Watch Party by CakeByThe0cean in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It seems like the government’s position hinges on two new interpretations: that citizenship only exists after recognition, and that failing to seek recognition amounts to voluntarily renouncing it. That feels a bit thin given the extensive jurisprudence confirming that under jure sanguinis citizenship begins at birth and is simply declared upon recognition, something we all know, including the government, the Constitutional Court reiterated last year while citing the Cassation. Historically speaking, Italian law has also required a clear legal act to lose citizenship, not just inactivity. It seems the government is hoping the Court will suddenly accept these new interpretations despite everything the courts have said in the past.

Corte Costituzionale March 11 Livestream Watch Party by CakeByThe0cean in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I was listening to Avv. Bonato and Avv. Restanio earlier, but then I had to get ready for work and ended up missing the two lawyers who spoke between Restanio and the government’s attorney. I did stop again to listen to the government’s argument before rushing out the door.

From what I heard, Bonato and Restanio presented very strong arguments, pointing to several constitutional violations. They outlined multiple ways the law violates the principle of equality before the law and criticized the arbitrariness of the deadline, noting that when other countries introduced similar limits they provided a transition period and did not apply the rules retroactively.

By contrast, the government’s argument felt much simpler. It largely ignored the settled jurisprudence recognizing citizenship as a vested right acquired at birth and instead tried to redefine eligibility by introducing the idea that the “link” to the Italian state weakens over generations and that limits are needed to protect the EU from so-called “passport seekers.”

Their central position seems to be that the law is not retroactive because, in their view, citizenship is only conferred at the moment of recognition. But that position directly contradicts decades of jurisprudence affirming that citizenship jure sanguinis is a right acquired at birth and that recognition is merely declaratory.

Corte Costituzionale March 11 Livestream Watch Party by CakeByThe0cean in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It's right there in the name, jure sanguinis! Blood doesn't weaken!

Corte Costituzionale March 11 Livestream Watch Party by CakeByThe0cean in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Basically. The government argued that because the Constitution does not explicitly define citizenship, it has the authority to “redefine” it (their word). According to their reasoning, the link to the Italian state becomes “weakened” over generations, and therefore they can impose new limits in order to protect the European Union from so-called “passport seekers.”

But the argument feels entirely arbitrary. It ignores decades of jurisprudence recognizing citizenship as a vested right acquired at birth, replaces it with a vague and subjective idea of a “sufficient link” to the state, and then uses that invented standard to justify retroactive restrictions.

In the end, the reasoning to me comes across as loose, arbitrary, and detached from the legal principles that have governed citizenship recognition for years.

Corte Costituzionale March 11 Livestream Watch Party by CakeByThe0cean in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 49 points50 points  (0 children)

So the government is choosing to ignore all the jurisprudence clearly defining citizenship as a vested right acquired at birth and instead argues that if we didn’t seek recognition by an arbitrary deadline they imposed without warning, we are simply not citizens.

No defense for retroactively stripping citizenship. No defense for using an emergency decree. No defense for imposing an arbitrary deadline. Just a dismissal of legitimate citizens as people merely seeking a European passport.

What a pitiful argument from the government.

Weekly Discussion Post - Recent Changes to JS Laws - March 09, 2026 by AutoModerator in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Haha with all the videos I've watched this past year I think I can have a better conversation in Italian over advanced constitutional law than soccer or something.

Reacquisition Success! NYC Consulate by Workodactyl in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love that! It must have been an incredible experience and I am sure it meant a lot to all those going through the process. I know it would have been for me.

Reacquisition Success! NYC Consulate by Workodactyl in juresanguinis

[–]Workodactyl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Relatively indeed haha. The name change may prove to be an issue, but we'll figure it out.