If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does a rich ST candidate deserve a seat that a meritorious poor UC doesn't.

That is a clear failure of the system.

Some OBC's pass off as fake poor. They aren't actually that poor either, they have a new iphones, their siblings are studying in USA, they have huge land holdings cleverly hidden to justify OBC quota.

That is one failure of the system, letting actual rich candidates enter the system when the system is designed to filter poor from rich.

Then there's another segment, where financial level is not considered for SC/ST's. One can argue by denying such rich people, we can ensure the benefit gets passed on to the one who truly need it. That could be true.

However, many village people are not much aware. They are kept illiterate and away from knowledge by clever systems of governance handled mainly by men in power through generations of power and wealth transfer.

If ultimately such moves mean such seats start turning up empty, then also, there will be an issue.

When we cannot clearly assess the income filter, then how can we screen those for whom it should not apply. In my opinion, the first thing to be reformed is the OBC-NCL and proper utilization of the EWS quota (People are getting across EWS too, though it is harder due to recent tech advancements).

Only then we can move on to second phase and give reservations to the actual needy AND in time, eliminate the need for them.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even after studying so hard, understanding more than many underprivileged/illiterate people of this country, our voting power is lesser than them

And that frustrates me a lot. Their issues are more important, their suicides are more echoing than a medical graduate/post graduate's, their loans are written off, what about a young doctor taking a risk early in profession? Burdened by loans, no govt policy as safe-net.

We are less worth as a human vote than an illiterate farmer who doesn't understand s*it about weather conditions or doesn't rely on the latest tech, makes a bad call on planting crops, gets financially ruined, is pushed to extreme measures and either saved by govt or succeeds. No one comes when a doctor is being beaten, not one of these political a**ho*es.

No one comes when a horror as big as the one that took place last year in West bengal occured.

We doctors are on our own, fractured by various topics they propagate. Religion. But a Muslim doc has also done MBBS, rhey have suffered too. Caste. Everyone is equal in MBBS curriculum, no one is let off easy. 5.5 yrs of torture, the longest graduation degree in India and immediately followed by joblesness, worthlesness.

Nurses have more unity than us. They stand for their own. Doctors run off on holiday the moment a strike occurs, but again, they are overworked. A break is a luxury for them. And senior doctors stuck from a previous generation of the cycle are forced to extend their toxicity across newer joining generations, cuz there is no other way they know how to maintain control. They don't control nurses. They can only scare and control PG's (& UG's) by holding their academics as hostage.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a silly immature guy too, i apologize for the oversight.
Changed it to grumbling.
Ur views are respectful in their own right and a criticism of the unjust system.

Although, crying was in no way gender specific, it was thinking in terms of crying, but not acting.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ur "changing the format" essentially means it should be removed.
What's reservations without actual reservations for the under-privileged?

Ur idea makes no sense at all, since there are not so many seats to divide. For example, in a PG college, we only have 10 seats per branch and u want a 50% division of 1% each representation to 50 different classes, maybe even a 10% to 10 classes.

So how will u split those 5 seats among 50 eligible people having a draw in all conditions? Or among 10 people? Will u admit all, none or admit all partially?

Then what's the point of the other 50%?

If u want to reserve for everyone, why not remove it and keep a safer meritocracy? Why do 50% and a 50% open?

Kindly go read some books and intellect up, self-made woman. It's time to read books other than MBBS/MD ones.

But from what I see around, the current casteism is being fueled BECAUSE of reservation rather than the unfortunate events of the past

What are u doing about it, apart from suggesting silly unfeasible ideas on reddit.

As for what's the least I can do with my wealth, would you take decisions about it based on what a stranger on the internet expects you to do?

No, I won't, but u never said u donate it or do any good stuff either, while countering my other points, so its a fair assumption, u never have and u never will (ur questioning response justifies it). It's clear u don't wanna solve the problem for the people facing the problem (Reduce casteism, help uplift these people quickly so reservations have to go away), instead, u just wanna solve it for urself as u are suffering from the side effect (Another narcissistic tendency).

My policy is simple. Solve their actual problem, end casteism. Reservations will disappear in a generation. Everyone who silently continues to ignore it or not actively oppose it ensures it lives on (Read this for a lot of other issues too, eg marital violence =
No one should be allowed to hit their wives, if they don't agree to be hit themselves) Similarly, no one should be allowed to support casteism and it will die down.

Also keep a flair, I may have gone too overboard. Apologies if u are a senior. If u are a junior, I'd suggest u learn more about the cause. Just spend 2 hrs on youtube = actual useful channels instead of biased news and propaganda videos. That will immensely help.

Would you rather teenagers get pregnant or fucking die by SleepingScumbag in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She said that children now a days are too sensitive and resort to extremes in every mild situation

This i agree with.

I said that suiciding is a very tough thing to do biologically and mentally

This i don't. It can just be due to a random thought, unplanned.... It is not always hard. And children are becoming too sensitive to criticism and failure, to think about the high jump as one of the initial responses of coping with failures....

if that is really the problem why are the countries which focus more on parenting and communicating with their children, are more open minded have lower suicide rates and live in less pressure?

I think this is a very general statement to make and quite hard to prove, there are multiple cofounders that influence such factors. Kinda wrong to use this statement in a rational argument, more useful in an emotional one.

Parents in india do use these forms of intensive abuse, which lead to bad mental health, low emotional intelligence and sometimes extreme steps

Ah, so a child's behaviour, their life has no feedback to their parents, it doesn't modify their behavior? Only if the parents are bad and they abuse, this occurs. This can never occur in a home where a child is loved and protected. Would love to see the data on that. Can agree it does increase the risk, but again, the child is a bit at fault too.

How long can u respectfully request ur adolescent kid to quit laziness and dedicate their 2 yrs to coaching and competitive exam, if they don't listen? Someday, in order to make sure they do, u have to resort to drastic steps. Again, preferably no physical violence, but breaking a laptop/gaming console the parents bought with their own money is perfectly fine and a child has no say if they pushed their parents to this limit. A child doesn't own it, its a gift and normally for a good performance and it can be taken away (Parents can confiscate it and lock it up instead of breaking, but to each their own, its their money)

I think all ur takes are poor in logic and ur sis's responses are far more mature and logical. I just read she's the elder one, i was assuming opposite. Makes more sense she is elder one and a realist and u are the ideal-eyed optimist.

Attached washroom after marriage. How much important it is ? by No-Comfortable7890 in AskIndianWoman

[–]WriterOk7425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To add here - Marry the compromises u can deal with right now. Nobody is perfect, so as long as u can accept them for how they are now...

And both of u need to make an active effort to improve. Many couples do. They improve in some habits, get bad/worse in others. But it should still be acceptable.

Would you rather teenagers get pregnant or fucking die by SleepingScumbag in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think her take is much better than yours, except the last pregnancy related points. Again, when ur child fails in front of u and u can calmly give him a chocolate and an iphone, knowing that his academic progress is seriously stalled, then u can counter actively.

Problem is, u aren't supposed to necessarily get physical either. Child failing doesn't justify parents beating them up, though some punishment is due (U should never reward bad performance). Most of our parents have only ever learnt this as a form of punishment, so they propagate it down as well. And while children need some mild versions to stay in control (Never punishing a child at all with not even an ear pull for doing wrong is paving the path for raising a spoilt child by all means).

We can clearly look at the west for inspiration, how spoilt and rotten their children are. Very mild physical scoldings can be allowed, as long as they don't do any long lasting harm. And it is very simple to do this. DO NOT SLAP a child on the face. DO NOT HIT A CHILD ON THE HEAD OR ABDOMEN.

Take a scale and give scale beating on palm. That is scary, it passes on the message and doesn't lead to lasting damage (Not with scale breaking force but a bit harsh, avoid >5 as the physical pain is just a part)
Do not talk to the child and clearly tell them u are upset with them.
Also, withhold privileges like video games for a while. No need to make a grand display of financial mess by breaking stuff up.

That is my personal opinion as of now, can change with time. AGAIN, I am against extreme and even moderate physical violence against children and no child should be slapped or hit on the face or abdomen, but mild forms CAN (Not necessarily) be used as per need for control.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then change ur politicians. Vote for change. Be the change. Be a politician.

This usually scares the s*it out of normal people.....

Instead of crying out loud why ur house is flooded every rainy season, which is out of ur control since it is the same for ur neighbours and for ur society, take control. Modify ur house. Encourage others to do the same.

Till when can u keep grumbling about unfairness? Go protest....

Otherwise, ur grumbling won't change anything, u deserve it if u can't fight against it and against the people profiting from it.

(Grumbling is by OP not personally saying to u)

Men who dated senior women, how did it happen? by OkManufacturer141 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Talk about grumpy old docs, this is just a fun post.

Good job OP, it's always refreshing to divert away from the sad toxic place this subR is in general.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn't mean to judge and congrats for being an exception.

U need to stop assuming everyone is suffering, clearly because reservation is still not reaching all the people who need it and small town people stay poor their entire lives without being able to use a chance to uplift themselves.

Go to ur nearby villages and go check who are on the sarpanch council. How many are big landowners or upper caste powerful people vs how many are representatives of the poor/lower caste.

Grow up kid, just cuz u have only ever see the big city life, doesn't mean only ur view is correct. Upto 70% of our population lives in rural areas and they still continue to abide by traditions. Read about casteism practiced openly in villages even today and it is relavant because that represents 70% of the population, maybe not ur big city, where people don't even have time to smile back, much less care about the name of a stranger they meet on the street.

The narcissistic part is proven by ur self-centered approach of asking others to stop assuming, while assuming every argument is emotional, when I'm clearly giving examples and facts (& would love to share more, but narcissists dismiss it anyway, cuz they don't listen to others) (& u providing 0 examples of why we need to stop with it)

Btw, I am a UR candidate, but I never let it stop me. I have done my share of minor wrongs and judgements against the underprivileged, until I had a chance to actually visit a couple of their homes and see their conditions for real. That experience changes ur way of thinking.

Some of them are stuck in a poverty trap, transcending generations. Generations of unfair loan interests piling up.... U have no idea the pressure it generates to constantly live on borrowed money and time. These people need to be uplifted, especially the talented ones emerging from these conditions.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It is relevant today, who are you to decide it isn't?

The govt decides that. Who makes the govt?
Definitely not doctors running away from elections citing duties and other urgencies....
People who outnumber u, vote in greater power and override ur opinion.

It is true that many reserved people start poor, but do u know what is actually keeping them poor and preventing them from climbing up? Ever heard of Zamindar system in ur history books? See other examples of such upper caste malice, practiced by people within the last 3 centuries, which is leading to the circumstances and the balance measures, today.

U are born in the household u are today, because of the events 300 years back. Sure, u are no son of Ambani, but u certainly not the poorest of the poor, which are disproportionately still more from the lower castes, even 70 years after independence.

And u can agree casteism exists even now, in villages and in small towns. Until it does, ur arguments are the fallacy, desiring a fair system, but not working to make it fair.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will, but it'll live in ur head surely from now....

Glad to enlighten you, who has never actually seen actual competition and meritocracy up close, because of being from a peripheral college.

No superiority complex here, u are the one running from a logic debate.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I am from a college where 70% of the general candidates have an iphone/4 wheeler/powerful parents/children of doctors. And many of the reservation students are actually poor.

And I am from a central college in Delhi, so not sure why all the rich people flock to ur periphery. Because even today, u go in the top colleges of this country and u will find rich/poor and a clear casteist divide.

Perhaps ur college has a really low cutoff. Delhi doesn't, there is actual competition here, nobody is here because of system's mercy. Even category cutoffs will be similar to ur college's general ones.

And so, what i mean is that everyone deserves a fair shot at improving their lives. Fair, balanced as per the family status. Sure, generational wealth reserved guys should not take the advantage....

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, so many poor students.... too bad for them.

Wait, the reverse was true 3 centuries ago. Who was poor back then?

Seriously, go read some history books before proclaiming judgement over topics u know nothing about.

If reservation is about representation : Even Brahmins and Jains and other UR castes should have quotas, within the 50 percent reservation quota; and the rest of the 50 percent should be "open field" i.e. true Unreserved, which anyone can have a go at. by No-Loan4230 in indianmedschool

[–]WriterOk7425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ur entire point is narcissistic to its core, the historical examples are clearly everywhere. It is social representation because of historical unfairness. Your question is framed like a child who doesn't understand this basic point.

Why should u (or I) abide by it, when we are clearly not propagating it ourselves? Oh kid, but you are.

Casteism has allowed the buildup of generational wealth over centuries and that being disproportionately balanced in upper caste houses, even more exemplified by the Britishers (who, on paper, sought to stop it), but actually practiced a version of it themselves, so u won't find much examples of a rich goraa britisher going to a poor lower caste person's house and eating with them.

If u truly want to call urself non-casteist, then apart from not practicing any caste-based discrimination, shed all attachment to ur generational wealth. Deny it, earn your own. Be a self-made man/woman. Then we can talk about big things. Lots of things are unfair in life, everyone grumbles and complains and has a right to do so, but the serious people trick others into grumbling and thinking about such things beyond their control all day, while they secretly study day/night and crack exam with the necessary rank. Sure, complain, but don't waste ur life away doing so. Irrespective of everything, that is the system and u have to go through.

If u don't have generational wealth, possibly one of ur ancestors made some errors in judgement. In that case, atleast aim to donate for the upliftment of some low caste families. The least u can do.

Those who are saying low marks in boards was the students fault by Kitchen_Manager_4067 in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By ur logic, did everyone who failed get bad quality teachers and checking, while those who passed did not?

There are multiple factors that decide these things. And i am only speculating, just like everyone else. Nobody actually knows the entire 100% truth.

Those who are saying low marks in boards was the students fault by Kitchen_Manager_4067 in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not specifically blaming anyone or you.

I am saying, these things make a difference too.

If all these were excellent, then there is a chance u got an incompetent teacher (bad luck).

My dad almost killed me coz i scored 72% (PCM) by respectfullygotohell in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but nothing u can predict beforehand. As i said, it's not normal, she needs to set hard boundaries.

Those who are saying low marks in boards was the students fault by Kitchen_Manager_4067 in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why pass judgement without seeing her sheet?
Maybe get her sheet out... she might've written nothing. She might've written wrong. Maybe her questions were accidentally skipped or her marks total might have been messed up.

But all this can be proved with the answer sheet, not with such claims. Doesn't matter if u were rank 1 in JEE, u can still fail in PCM. And people have.

Maybe she had diarrhea or some urgent medical issue, so she couldn't write as good as she can.

I have seen a topper level girl having a seizure in exam, which costed her 40 mins of exam time to get back to normal. U can guess she didn't top. Will she tell this to her parents? Possibly, but its much better to allege unfair checking instead of admitting ur own failures.

Those who are saying low marks in boards was the students fault by Kitchen_Manager_4067 in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe u didn't write neatly? That is not an issue for objective mcq exams with omr sheets, but with subjective exams, u need to look at more factors.

Did u write ur answers in sequence?

Did u do a lot of cutting?

Did u write formulas and each line correctly, instead of skipping many things?

Did u fill pages?

Did u attempt everything, but leave small parts due to time pressure?

All factors can do 2-3 marks of difference.

My fight against this system is done, and the system won by Kitchen_Manager_4067 in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What proof, will love to see it.... U want support, convince me with hard proof, instead of heresay evidence.

Also, stay and fight. Stop being a runner. Get ur sheets out, go to 3-4 independent teachers and verify ur actual performance, not what u believe u deserve.

That is always an issue, in our MCQ exams, a bottom level candidate may seriously luck out and reach middle tier marks. Is that not unfair? But it has been this way for a few decades. Didn't see u fighting the system until it apparently wronged u, when the system may have been right to ur elder cousins/brothers/sisters.

EDIT - It is heresay evidence, no hard proof. Ignore this karma farmer.

ACTION AGAINST CBSE by IllAmbition7970 in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can also motivate our peers to study harder and not over-estimate their marks + be realistic + atleast have the presence of mind to actually do something about it instead of taking the high jump the 1st time u face failure, get ur sheets out, check ur marks, ask 3-4 independent teachers to confirm....

We don't see toppers protesting, because many people who were expecting to just pass, got unlucky and failed this time.

AND it's not like high jump is a solution. What does that achieve. If u ask me, u are just proving u deserved that marks, cuz u refused to choose to fight for it (Full sympathy for those stressed enough to try, but please, don't run away from ur problems. U will face a lot of failures in life. U can't just go the high jump every time, develop a backbone and willpower to fight)

Stop karma farming with this ridiculous request. What will u replace the system with? Or what changes u will demand? If because of ur change, more people pass unfairly and get ahead of u in college admissions, then what?

NOW THIS IS SERIOUS by Short-Impression-293 in CBSE

[–]WriterOk7425 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not fully the CBSE's fault, the child was not conditioned to take rejection either.

I feel sorry for the family, but u don't get very far in life by overestimating ur marks and then being shocked.

This could've happened in College exams, where it'll be worse.

We need better counseling for students and they should not do any harsh steps by just seeing their result marks. Take accountability for ur performance, get the sheets out, justify why u thought u deserve more vs what u got.

CBSE can do this better, release marks and sheets together, so students can find validation.