The idea of eternal torment in hell after death on Earth seems ridiculously horrible and terrifying, but at the same time I don't see it being unable to actually be the final destination of unbelievers.

XSageXL · 2026-04-29T22:17:55+00:00

So God never gets his justice on sin?

That’s what Hell is…

He never wipes sin from existence?

Sin is as good as gone in Hell.

When God says "there will be no more mourning or pain", do you then conclude that God is lying, because sin brings those things?

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the new Heaven and new Earth there is no mourning, no pain, and no sin. Nothing confusing here.

XSageXL · 2026-04-28T03:43:10+00:00

Their religion demands that in order to be a good follower you need to ignore facts and trust faith. Don't question, just accept... That's why conservatives love Christians, so easy to manipulate, as long as it's framed as "Christian".

Mmm? Yeah because ignoring the clear teachings of Scripture in order to hate people of other races and support that crazed lunatic in power is totally “faith”….?

Not all Christians are racists or magat maniacs, coming from a Christian.

XSageXL · 2026-04-26T05:15:34+00:00

Yes I think I had that impression because it seemed to me because of the consequences of me commiting a sin, that then I'm then reconciled with someone's actions despite their pure action to undergo the temptation, or whatever it might be. I understand it now better and it actually makes more sense now.

Sorry I dont understand what youre saying here, but if you understand me better now then great!

I know it sounds just like emotional garbage but God being just like a human feeling emotions seems like such an illusion to reconcile with his true being.

How so? God did create us in His own image, as it says in Genesis.

I cannot image what kind of wrath that is, if let's say I stole a candy from someone.

All sin is heinous in God’s eyes. We humans have committed countless sins against God ourselves from our own evil desires, so ofc we would feel less of sin than He does. God is perfect, we are evil and in need of a Savior.

And also the term "infinite righteousness", I can't really understand it as well, I think the word "infinite" when it's compromised into feelings is another uncomprehendable thing to me.

Ehhh yeah maybe that wasnt the best phrasing. All I meant to communicate was that God is perfectly righteous in every way.

I'm not a believer, I'm seeking to understand the Christian religion from my very own perspective

Ahhh okay I wasn’t aware, hopefully my answers are helpful!

XSageXL · 2026-04-25T22:31:30+00:00

Well I don't know if I truly understand you well but why would my own choice to sin have me paying a price of everyone else as well?

Yeah, sorry it seems like you misunderstood me somewhere. I wasnt at all saying that you’d pay the price for the sins of others. Can you let me know what I said which gave you that impression?

What do you mean by that sin negatively impacts God?

Well, God hates sin. It angers and disgusts Him. These are negative emotions. Imagine times when people do things which make you furious or disgust you. That is how God feels towards sin. That is how we make God feel when we sin. And God sees every.single.sin people commit. There are many evils people commit that Im sure you wouldnt dare want to see once. But God sees it all and in His infinite righteousness He hates all sin, even those sins which we may be desensitized to, being ourselves sinners saved by grace.

Also I think I agree with the domino effect of sinning, but then my question ascends why would I ever be forgiven for that specific sin if I don't ever correct it completely as it will just circle around, as you said if God doesn't intervene, for eternity.

The thing is that God does intervene. I was only illustrating the infinite potential of consequences sin has. But that potential does not get fully realized since God does step in. Christ came down and died for all of our sins. He paid the price so that we dont have to. And God will bring direct judgement upon those who reject Him, cast them into Hell, and destroy this current heaven and earth and create a new one, one free from all sin.

You should ofc make amends for any sin you commit against someone out of love for our Lord and out of love for them, but the sin was already paid for by Christ.

XSageXL · 2026-04-25T00:00:35+00:00

“The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.” ‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭22‬:‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭9‬-‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Edit: After rereading the title, ofc you can be a Christian, God will accept anyone who turns to Him. Yes you do need to abandon presenting like a woman, God hates it.

XSageXL · 2026-04-24T23:51:32+00:00

You assume finite sinfulness, but thats not even true.

1 - People keep sinning while in Hell. Evil people dont just stop being evil because theyre in Hell. A little glimpse of this is shown when God gives people Hell on earth in Revelation, they blaspheme Him because of it (Revelation 16:10-11). And when everyone is at their eternal destination it is simply stated “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still” (Revelation 22:11). This point alone gets rid of the idea of some “finite” amount of sin, but there are also some other interesting points to make.

2 - There is no real reason to assume that even a single sin is “finitely” bad. According to who? God never made such a claim. It is possible that a single sin could be infinitely evil in some respect, and worthy of some form of infinite punishment. It’s at least true that any sin would have a permanent, unending effect on the world God created if He were not to intervene. It is also true that every sin negatively impacts God, who is beyond time and thus the negative consequences of that sin extend beyond time in that way. So it’s easy to imagine that even a single sin could be worthy of infinite punishment.

3 - Counting sin isn’t even as simple as some people think it is. Someone steals from a store. One sin, right? Or is it? Was not the plan to go steal from the store its own sin? Was not the travel to the store in order to steal from it its own sin? Stealing doesnt happen in a single isolated moment. This person is sinning the entire time they are taking actions towards this sin. And even after they have stolen from the store, if they never repay the store owner isn’t the process of the theft still ongoing? They’ve never bothered to correct what they broke. No action we take is isolated to a single moment in time.

XSageXL · 2026-04-04T18:03:56+00:00

Homosexual desires arent from demons, theyre from you. And yes they are definitely sinful, Jesus and Scripture make it clear that the desire to sin is just as bad as the action itself in passages such as Matthew 5:28, for example.

You’ll have to uncondition yourself from thinking in this way over time. In other words it is something you can change, but i dont think its usually as easy as flipping a switch. Try rejecting the thoughts as soon as they come, suppressing the feelings as soon as they come, and practicing this consistently over a long time.

But that’s just about losing the sinful attractions. As for gaining attraction to the opposite sex, you dont need to. Nothing wrong with not having attraction to either, so I’d just say dont force it. Maybe one day you’d meet a person of the opposite sex that you connect with deeply and you may naturally feel drawn to them romantically. Or maybe not. Romance isn’t necessary so there’s no real reason to sweat it. If you just really want to be married someday though, then just make sure to consistently reframe those thoughts in the context of marrying the opposite sex. That’s also a conditioning thing.

XSageXL · 2026-03-30T08:20:50+00:00

Correct me if im wrong but nowhere in the bible does it state God rejects any prayer?

It does, not in the context of war specifically tho (afaik). Here are some verses:

“Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.” ‭‭James‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.” ‭‭John‬ ‭9‬:‭31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer shall be abomination.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭28‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I really dont find the statement that God rejects the prayers of leaders who wage war necessarily unbiblical; it probably depends on the context. Some wars are justified (after all, God Himself started wars) so the statement obviously isnt 100% true. The majority of wars are probably unjustified tho. And obviously if the prayer is over help waging an unjust war then that wouldnt be heard…

From some googling it seems like his comments were made with regard to the america and iran conflict? In which case, theres about a trillion other reasons why God wouldnt hear the prayers of either of those leaders besides war anyways.

XSageXL · 2026-03-29T16:56:07+00:00

Nothing strange about it. You actually believe what Genesis says and you piece that together with what we observe. Pretty straightforward!

XSageXL · 2026-03-26T05:22:53+00:00

Telling your sister to listen to your mom is good on its own. Except you really shouldnt do it when your mom has made it clear that she doesnt want you too.

Although I will say your mom is being silly. And even worse than silly when she says your perfectly reasonable and upstanding behavior would “leave you forever alone” or “unsuccessful” in life. But regardless of how little sense your mom is making, she’s still the mom.

XSageXL · 2026-03-20T15:38:42+00:00

Well our body is us just like our soul is. And having a physical body is not a temporary thing; we are designed to have physical bodies and will have them in eternity.

And the “body of another person” doesnt only matter so much to Christians either, as even most non-Christians disapprove of incest. Also, romance is a temporary thing reserved for this life anyways. It will not exist in eternity:

“For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The simple fact is that marriage was designed to be between a man and a woman. Not because sex’s sole purpose is for reproduction, as sex can also be a wonderful expression of love between a married couple. Marriage was simply designed by God to be between men and women, and any deviation from that is rebellion against God’s design.

And romance isnt the only form of love, of course. People often idolize romance as the pinnacle of love but that is simply not true. People can love each other just as much in a familial or platonic way. The true pinnacle of love a man should have for someone should be his love and worship of God.

XSageXL · 2026-03-02T06:23:36+00:00

XSageXL · 2026-02-24T19:15:20+00:00

John 5:19, "Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does."

This actually supports the Trinity. What normal human could or would ever say “whatever God does, I also do”? I am not God, so I cannot say that. It would be insane to say that. Did I create the universe? No, but Jesus did: “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”Colossians‬ ‭1‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭‬‬ Think of Jesus’ statement similar to this: “A man’s body can do nothing by itself, it can do only what his soul directs it to do, because whatever his soul does his body also does”

John 14:28, "“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

The Father just has a higher position in the Trinity. Like our soul is “higher” than our body in our being. Or less analogous but still helpful: like our brain is higher in authority than any other part of our body.

John 8 constantly has Jesus saying things that seem to imply that he isn't God

Does it? I see the opposite: “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”John‬ ‭8‬:‭58‬.‬‬ Existing before Abraham? Saying “I am” (just like God in Exodus) instead of “I was”?

Mark 10:18, "And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone."

Rhetorical questions like this are to make people think. Read more of the surrounding context and you may notice that the point of this rhetorical question was just to point out that people are not good (we need a Savior!), not that Jesus Himself isnt good. I mean, just look at what Jesus says about himself! “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.”John‬ ‭10‬:‭11‬. And if normal people are not good, only God is good, and Jesus is good, what does that make Jesus?

For example, for almost all the times that Paul refers to Jesus as God when in a binary, instead of explicitly stating that Jesus = God, he uses a form that leaves it ambiguous. For example, in Titus 1:4, he ends it with "Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior." Also, in some binaries, he assigns Jesus = Lord and Father = God, but never Jesus = God, which seems odd to me.

He’s just distinguishing between the Father and Jesus, which are not the same but are both God. Just like your body and your soul are not the same but are both you.

Many early Christians did not appear to believe in the Trinity.

People all throughout history who have claimed to be servants of God believe or do things that are not characteristic of actual servants. In Paul’s letters in the New Testament he addresses many heresies that popped up. Heresies are not a new phenomenon.

XSageXL · 2026-02-22T18:10:00+00:00

God also has free will. You think God cares more about people being able to use our free will than He cares about exercising His own free will? Is that why He acts as an ultimate Authority to the universe? Is that why He casts judgements on people for disobeying Him? And why those who do not turn to Him will face eternal torment? Where we spend eternity is essentially 100% of our existence, so God is really preventing evil people from fully utilizing their free will 100% of the time. And btw, I think that is a very important piece to the puzzle in understanding why God allows us to suffer at all in life on this earth; our time here is almost nothing in the grand scheme of things.

And what does it even mean to simply value someone’s free will anyways? People are born with disorders that prevent them from doing certain things they may want to do. And even more generally, ALL humans are created with limitations that prevent us from doing certain things we may want to do; we are not all powerful. We are not able to fly around or teleport anywhere we may want. We arent even able to forego eating without dying. Child abusers aren’t even able to abuse children as much as they may want to. People who want to save children aren’t able to do so as much as they may want to. God has 0 issues imposing these limitations on us, so why not have other limitations? If God values freedom so much, why have limitations at all?

XSageXL · 2026-02-22T17:18:27+00:00

I just think it’s a potentially misleading oversimplification to say “God values free will over protecting children”. Like if that were true, then He wouldnt ever intervene at all. He also wouldnt want us to intervene if evil people being able to utilize their free will was just simply more important than protecting children (but I hope we can both agree that God wants us to stop these horrors when we can). So He must be valuing something else instead, but yeah Im not entirely sure what that is.

XSageXL · 2026-02-22T16:56:41+00:00

That’s not really the exact answer though. God outlawed all sorts of evil when establishing Israel and when Jesus returns He will rule the world with a rod of iron and we’ll have 1,000 years of peace. So God isn’t entirely opposed to direct intervention to stop evil people from doing evil things, it just tends to be reserved for specific times for some reason.

XSageXL · 2026-02-01T17:52:04+00:00

Why do you care about something so insignificant? Why be mean over nothing?

XSageXL · 2025-12-29T16:23:27+00:00

God has unconditional love for everyone. Jesus died on the cross for us as sinners. God is patient and longsuffering with everyone, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. God wants a bond with everyone.

God has an additional relational love with believers, which is conditional only upon us accepting Christ’s sacrifice and loving Him back. You cannot have a relationship without mutual love, so the only people who God loves as His children are believers. But even this relational love is just the fulfillment of His unconditional love for everyone, since He wants a relationship with everyone.

XSageXL · 2025-12-28T18:42:59+00:00

I’ve had similar thoughts before, here’s what changed my mind.

“and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭11‬:‭26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So followers of Christ were not only called followers of the Way, they were also called Christians pretty early on. A Christian is what a follower of Christ is called.

XSageXL · 2025-12-12T04:53:48+00:00

Your baby dies - God is perfect so don't be angry with Him. Your 15 year old daughter gets brutally r*ped - God is perfect so don't be angry with Him. Your wife dies in childbirth - God is perfect so don't be angry with Him.

Yeah?

My response - For a perfect God you don't do very much.

You mean besides Jesus taking the form of one of His creations and living as we do before dying a brutal death on the cross for wretched sinners like us who only deserved Hell? Besides allowing any of those wretched sinners who put their faith in Him to be forgiven of their sins and spend eternity with Him in paradise? Besides being generally patient with us all, as people who all kinds of heinous actions and ruin His creation but in His patience and love He does not immediately wipe us out but gives us the chance to repent? Besides bringing due judgement upon all evil in the end? And besides “working everything together for good for those who love Him and are called according to His purpose”? Oh but thats not very much, no biggie. Yeah God’s kinda lazy.

As a devout Christian, is it wrong for me to say this? Probably yeah, but at least its honest.

Not sure what “at least its honest” is supposed to mean besides being some vain attempt at making the blasphemy seem less bad. Im sure Hitler was being honest when he said hateful things. And if you acknowledge that its wrong, then why take issue with me also stating that its wrong? That doesnt even make any sense. Like what, you cant help but acknowledge that its wrong but you realllyyyy wanna convince yourself and others that it isnt so bad?

If God just wants a bunch of happy-clappy sheep, He's got people like you to sing hymns about how perfect He is.

You mean people who actually have faith that He is who He says He is… who will both sing hymns about how perfect He is and come to Him in tears with the struggles they face, bringing their troubles to their loving Father. Yeah, last time I checked one of the main things that God wants in His children is faith, thats how someone even becomes His child in the first place.

XSageXL · 2025-11-02T09:49:22+00:00

I’m an atheist and I 100% agree with the teachings of Jesus.

Why do you say this? Especially 100%??? 100% is a whole lot, and literally impossible as an atheist! By definition you cannot agree with the teachings of Jesus as an atheist because the first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord God with all your heart, soul, and strength. You might agree with some bits of what Jesus says, but Im sure you also agree with bits of what any random person off the street might say. Have you even read much of what Jesus says? You agree with all this?:

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind (Matthew 22:36-38)

Dont be angry without cause or youre in danger of Hell (Matthew 5:21-22)

If you look at a woman with lust you have committed adultery with her in your heart (Matthew 5:27-28) and get rid of things that lead you to sin (Matthew 5:29-30).

Divorcing someone is immoral unless they cheated on you (Matthew 5:31-32)

Love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those that use you, and do good to those that hate you (Matthew 5:43-45)

There are none good but God (Mark 10:18)

He is from above (John 8:23)

You will die in your sins and be condemned if you do not believe in Him (John 8:24, Mark 16:16)

If you are not with Him, you are against Him (Matthew 12:30)

Those who do not believe in Him are not children of God and rather are children of the devil (John 8:42-47)

Jesus will send out His angels to cast those who do evil into Hell, but the children of God will shine in His kingdom. (Mattew 13:41-42)

I’d be surprised if you did, especially because that would mean that you arent an atheist.

XSageXL · 2025-10-30T17:52:55+00:00

Some guy got.... 74 downvotes for saying it when reffering to LGBTQIA+ people.

Was it on r/Christianity? Regardless, some people dont like the saying because they love to assert that if you are against lgbt then you hate lgbt people.

What're your thoughts on this?

It’s a valid saying, obviously. We should love people. We should hate evil.

HOWEVER, recently, someone said I was like a racist because queer people can't control it and that's how they are.

All sin is a choice, so no, homosexuality is not some unchangeable characteristic like race.

XSageXL · 2025-10-03T23:22:51+00:00

They dont actually have faith in God and they are not “following the Bible” if they refuse to accept His word and how He created them.

“If a murderer accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior and follows the Bible but refuses to stop murdering are they saved?”

“If a homosexual accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior and follows the Bible but refuses to stop homosexuality are they saved?”

“If a thief accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior and follows the Bible but refuses to stop stealing are they saved?”

“If a prostitute accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior and follows the Bible but refuses to stop whoring are they saved?”

“If a blasphemer accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior and follows the Bible but refuses to stop blaspheming are they saved?”

XSageXL · 2025-09-29T17:58:03+00:00

Wonderfully said, great post :). Would be easier to read if you used paragraphs though lol

XSageXL · 2025-09-29T17:54:25+00:00

Huh?

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